| Stupid hypothetical question. 11:16 - Apr 23 with 1954 views | Snipper |
This is purely from a fans point of view.
If QPR have a very good season next season, and get promoted, as fans, would you take half the tv money, but stay in the Championship?
We’d be going into the Premier League hoping to finish 17th, and probably sign loads of players on decent money, and probably be relegated anyway.
I’d much rather that we were a decent Championship team, than whipping boys in the Premier League.
I hate the Premier League with a passion, and I couldn’t care less if we ever play there again. |  | | |  |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:27 - Apr 23 with 1666 views | Esox_Lucius |
Do what Norwich did. Explain to the fans that there won't be much increase in spending; justifiable increases for the players that took us up and relegation clauses inserted for the inevitable relegation. Don't take a blind bit of notice of "fans" wanting the manager sacked, the players publicly executed etc. and begin the yo-yo process with a plan to solidify the overall future for the club. Use the windfall to hold season ticket prices to appease the disgruntled fans fed up with losing each week and, hopefully when the new stadium is finally built, those S/T prices will attract some of those fans of the "Super Clubs" to a family club doing things the right way. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:36 - Apr 23 with 1621 views | daveB |
Why do we have to be whipping boys in the Prem? Palace and Burnley went up and showed you can do well as have several others
if We go up we just need to make a better fist of it than we did the first time. From a selfish point of view I prefer going to games in the Championship, better chance of winning, not as many kick off changes but for the club and for wanting to grow the fanbase for future generations we need to be aiming to be the very best we can be as aiming to not get relegated from the championship isn't much fun either |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:39 - Apr 23 with 1633 views | Maggsinho |
No, I think we should strive to play at the highest level open to us. If Palace and Burnley can be established Premiership teams so can we and I don't think we should turn our nose up at that opportunity. |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:40 - Apr 23 with 1630 views | MoonshineSteve |
It's a poser. On the one hand our recent sojourns into the prem have been underwhelming and the imbalance verges on unfair competition. But the focus of sport is to win, improve, go as far as you can. Seems little point in aiming to remain a champ club with no intention of going any further. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 12:31 - Apr 23 with 1525 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:39 - Apr 23 by Maggsinho |
No, I think we should strive to play at the highest level open to us. If Palace and Burnley can be established Premiership teams so can we and I don't think we should turn our nose up at that opportunity. |
I do agree, but I also think there's a breaking point. 6 or 7 seasons coming 14th will eventually take a toll and the excitement of a relegation and another promotion is welcome.
but this is is the same for about 30-40 clubs from about 8th down in the prem to halfway in league one.
13 of the current prem have been in the Champ in the last decade, 6 or 7 have been in league one in the ast 20-odd years. 5 of league one have been in the prem in the last 15 or so years.
It's an unpopular view, but all of us clubs below the real top ones, but above the 'small' FL clubs, will continue this sort of yo-yoing, whether it's a slow or a fast yo-yo, for the forseeable future. Leicester possibly the exception as they seem to be establishing themselves as a midlands power.
so of course take the promotion, try and establish, but as fans, no one should be under any illusions that in the next 30 years we'll probably play in all three divisions at some stage. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 12:50 - Apr 23 with 1456 views | derbyhoop |
Of course you strive to get to the top level. But, let us learn from the mistakes we made last time. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.
Hope to stay up but plan for an immediate relegation. So no stupid contracts to players who want a last career pay day. Bank much of the TV money and re-invest with the same level of care we have shown this season. Be prepared to yo-yo but every time we do go up we have a stronger base. Until such time we can re-establish ourselves as a PL fixture. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 12:57 - Apr 23 with 1419 views | queensparker |
I think if we went up under this current setup, I'd trust them not to go mental and it would secure the long-term future of the club which currently is very shaky financially. Hoos was after all in charge at Burnley as they transitioned into a Prem club so he knows how to do it properly.
Football wise it would probably be miserable (maybe), we'd be invaded and plagued by tourists and arseholes and modern FIFA fans demanding we buy Messi and all the rest, but it would be worth it IMO. |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:05 - Apr 23 with 1388 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
If we went up we should spend fck all and plough all the money into facilities instead.
If we stay up, then Bonza, but otherwise we should be setting ourselves up for longer term growth and carrying on with the conveyor belt system.
See West Brom for details. |  | | |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:36 - Apr 23 with 1320 views | essextaxiboy |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:05 - Apr 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If we went up we should spend fck all and plough all the money into facilities instead.
If we stay up, then Bonza, but otherwise we should be setting ourselves up for longer term growth and carrying on with the conveyor belt system.
See West Brom for details. |
No, this links to the Super League punishment debate , if we went up what would be the first fixtures you would look for ? ..and one in particular |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:57 - Apr 23 with 1240 views | terryb |
The option to stay in The Championship wouldn't exsist! |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:57 - Apr 23 with 1235 views | Malintabuk |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:05 - Apr 23 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If we went up we should spend fck all and plough all the money into facilities instead.
If we stay up, then Bonza, but otherwise we should be setting ourselves up for longer term growth and carrying on with the conveyor belt system.
See West Brom for details. |
Think you and Esox are spot on. The only way we are ever going to survive is to get promoted and hopefully do like Norwich and others and yo yo a few years
It's disheartening true getting a new one ripped by the Man Cities of this world but at the end of the day it is about money and survival as a club. I'd rather be plucky old QPR with a few quid in the bank than..... remember that mob from Shepherds Bush with the funny old name..... whatever happened to them [Post edited 23 Apr 2021 13:59]
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:00 - Apr 23 with 1216 views | MoonshineSteve |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 13:57 - Apr 23 by terryb |
The option to stay in The Championship wouldn't exsist! |
Ah, that must be what he meant by hypothetical question then.  | |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:08 - Apr 23 with 1187 views | simmo |
I would 1000% take the money and stay in the Championship. This league is miles better in almost every way. Between the boring/worse away days, the saturated coverage, the kick off times, the addition of fairweather fans that have heightened expectations, the agent frenzy for new money and the fckin VAR - you can stick the PL.
Easily the worst time supporting this club home and away the last 10 odd years has been our time in that cúnt pit. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:36 - Apr 23 with 1136 views | wood_hoop |
Go into the Prem and do a Lieiester......win it, and then can go down the following season.
Who cares if our fairweather fans that will no doubt appear disapear, stricly only hooped shirts both home and away, not the nightmarish pyjamas they put on players now, as a Prem team you can call the shots, if we get a new stadium and are set up for donkey years job done. |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:05 - Apr 23 with 1055 views | kensalriser |
Well we do have form for this kind of thing - got to the 85 League Cup final and decided we didn’t want to participate any further. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:43 - Apr 23 with 1027 views | stowmarketrange |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:08 - Apr 23 by simmo |
I would 1000% take the money and stay in the Championship. This league is miles better in almost every way. Between the boring/worse away days, the saturated coverage, the kick off times, the addition of fairweather fans that have heightened expectations, the agent frenzy for new money and the fckin VAR - you can stick the PL.
Easily the worst time supporting this club home and away the last 10 odd years has been our time in that cúnt pit. |
Only 2 out of 3 seasons were bad.The first had great wins at everton,wolves and that great run of 5 victories on the trot against Spurs,arsenal and liverpool,swansea and stoke.And who can forget that game on October 23rd 2011? |  | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:48 - Apr 23 with 1006 views | MoonshineSteve |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:05 - Apr 23 by kensalriser |
Well we do have form for this kind of thing - got to the 85 League Cup final and decided we didn’t want to participate any further. |
So you've wiped 1986 from your memory too. Good. | |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:54 - Apr 23 with 993 views | hantssi |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 11:27 - Apr 23 by Esox_Lucius |
Do what Norwich did. Explain to the fans that there won't be much increase in spending; justifiable increases for the players that took us up and relegation clauses inserted for the inevitable relegation. Don't take a blind bit of notice of "fans" wanting the manager sacked, the players publicly executed etc. and begin the yo-yo process with a plan to solidify the overall future for the club. Use the windfall to hold season ticket prices to appease the disgruntled fans fed up with losing each week and, hopefully when the new stadium is finally built, those S/T prices will attract some of those fans of the "Super Clubs" to a family club doing things the right way. |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 15:55 - Apr 23 with 989 views | gazza1 |
What a ridiculous OP.......people that don't want their club playing at the highest level, win, loose or draw do not understand competitive sport at all.
Ask the professional players where they want to play. | | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 16:48 - Apr 23 with 928 views | terryb |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:00 - Apr 23 by MoonshineSteve |
Ah, that must be what he meant by hypothetical question then. |
Yes, but you have to know what the options are.
I would argue that it wouldn't be a choice between playing in The Premier or The Championship. It could be between The Premier or face relegation to Division One or even being expelled from the EFL.
The action of refusing promotion would be very harmful to the EFL & it's member clubs. There would be a very real risk of reducing the number of clubs being promoted & possibly putting any movement between the two leagues at jepordy. Forget what they've said this week, the clubs in the PL would love to have relegation abolished! I don't know if refusing promotion is listed in the EFL regulations, but I'm fairly sure it would be covered by bringing the league into disrepute.
Now, as to a preference between the two leagues, I would choose playing in the PL provided that we kept to recent policies & not resort to the way we acted between 2011 & 2017. | | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 17:01 - Apr 23 with 870 views | MoonshineSteve |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 16:48 - Apr 23 by terryb |
Yes, but you have to know what the options are.
I would argue that it wouldn't be a choice between playing in The Premier or The Championship. It could be between The Premier or face relegation to Division One or even being expelled from the EFL.
The action of refusing promotion would be very harmful to the EFL & it's member clubs. There would be a very real risk of reducing the number of clubs being promoted & possibly putting any movement between the two leagues at jepordy. Forget what they've said this week, the clubs in the PL would love to have relegation abolished! I don't know if refusing promotion is listed in the EFL regulations, but I'm fairly sure it would be covered by bringing the league into disrepute.
Now, as to a preference between the two leagues, I would choose playing in the PL provided that we kept to recent policies & not resort to the way we acted between 2011 & 2017. |
Well Snipper can answer for himself, but I read the question as not literal but just whether playing in the prem is as much fun as chasing the right to be there. Is it an anticlimax you could live without. | |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 17:16 - Apr 23 with 821 views | TacticalR |
This is why we should be so grateful to the ESL for trying to get rid of the nonsense of promotion and relegation. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 17:26 - Apr 23 with 787 views | Snipper |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 17:01 - Apr 23 by MoonshineSteve |
Well Snipper can answer for himself, but I read the question as not literal but just whether playing in the prem is as much fun as chasing the right to be there. Is it an anticlimax you could live without. |
That’s what I meant MoonshineSteve. I maybe could’ve worded my original post better, but it would be a big anticlimax being there. I would obviously like us to be competitive in the Premier League, but I just hate what the Premier League entails.
The Norwich or West Brom model would be the best way to attack it, and we have the right man in Lee Hoos for us to do that. I know I’m in a minority on here, but being beaten most weeks, and most likely quite heavily in some, there’s no enjoyment value there.
I obviously want QPR to win every game they play, and if we win enough games, we’ll get promoted. The sheer enjoyment will be having that special season like we had in 2010/11. | | | |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 17:59 - Apr 23 with 733 views | A40Bosh |
| Stupid hypothetical question. on 14:08 - Apr 23 by simmo |
I would 1000% take the money and stay in the Championship. This league is miles better in almost every way. Between the boring/worse away days, the saturated coverage, the kick off times, the addition of fairweather fans that have heightened expectations, the agent frenzy for new money and the fckin VAR - you can stick the PL.
Easily the worst time supporting this club home and away the last 10 odd years has been our time in that cúnt pit. |
If we treat LFW as a barometer for the state of the overall fanbase, then when Simmo says "the addition of fairweather fans that have heightened expectations," then whilst I think yes, that will get worse, I feel we already have a good deal of fans whom I believe cannot differentiate between 'pragmatic acceptance of where we are TODAY' and a 'lack of ambition'.
So let's say we finish end of May 8th, then under Warbs we have made progress, albeit with the undoubted assistance of a January trade of incoming experienced loanees who have helped to take us in to the top half and to where we now sit. So Warbs and Sir Les need to get it right this summer to bolster the shall we say not quite 100% there yet "spine" so that we kick off 2021/2022 strongly and push on to top 6 finish and get promoted via the play offs or god forbid automate promotion. If we then went up it would have been as the result of 4 years of rebuild (Ollie started it but it will have been 3 years under Warbs that have cemented it. And if that is the case then we would be ready to go up - but that is different from then being ready to survive in the Premier League.
The next problem is how much and where to spend to try and stay up but cautious enough that a swift return does not mean we are back where we were with FFP.
If we go up, then we go up, we then have to avoid/endure the fairweathers and their "Warbs has no Plan B" or "Warbs is a good Championship manager, but not cut out for the Prem!" if we take a couple of hammerings in August and Sept.
Yes we might get battered, but surely better for a year to watch Dykes go up against Virgil VD and Dickie trying to stop KDB than getting thumped by Rotherham instead. Better to die trying than to not try at all. |  |
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| Stupid hypothetical question. on 18:20 - Apr 23 with 683 views | Ashdown_Ranger |
Ooooh, what a good question...
How about the EFL and the Premier League agreeing to let clubs auction their promotion?
So, let's say Barnsley get promoted this year but realise they'll simply get hammered week after week in the Prem. They give notice that they wish to auction their right to promotion and the three teams in the Prem relegation slots have a chance to bid.
Payment could be made up of cash and/or player sales/loans.
Could be good for all parties? |  | | |
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