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Not a party political thing or a reason for an LFW punch-up, but I keep having the eerie feeling that eventually every single Tory MP will put themselves forward leaving Teresa May with the casting vote. At which point, she cackles maniacally and slowly points at Jacob Rees Mogg sitting at the back, with the entire parliamentary party turning to stare at him... He is seen to gulp and mutter 'Oh, copulate my happenstance'
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Tory Leadership Race on 16:49 - Jun 19 with 1748 views
Tory Leadership Race on 15:14 - Jun 19 by Antti_Heinola
Infiltration into a public debate on a national forum! Whatever next? Personally, their allegiances seem irrelevant - it's the question that is important and whether it was valid. He asked:
“In the event that you become Prime Minister, you’re only going to be voted on by your parliamentary colleagues and 100,000 Conservative Party members. And you have no mandate from the people. So, in the event that you become Prime Minister, when will you do the right thing and call a general election?”
That seems a perfectly valid question to ask, I'm not really sure what his relationship with the Labourt Party has to do with it. It certainly shouldn't affect their answers. Tories said the same thing when Brown took over Blair. Johnson himself said the same thing at the time (vociferously). Personally, I think this happens far too often and it shouldn't be allowed - change the leader, then you have an election. If you haven't got confidence in your leader, then it's election time, not next one in - regardless of party (and it should've been the same with Brown).
dunno - just seems an odd thing to get narked about to me. Almost like Express/Sun/Telegraph want to move attention away from how utterly woeful all five candidates to run our country are by making a mountain out of a little tiny molehill. Even the Telegraph, while bemoaning too many questions apparently from the left, said the replies were dire. And that's from a few members of the public! What chance do this lot have in the actual business of governing? We've already seen countless times what a chancer he is, completely unfit for public office.
Well imagine there were Labour hustings on TV and the audience was made up entirely of UKIP and Brexit Party members asking questions purely to make the candidates look bad.
You'd probably say that it would be better to have a balanced audience to get a better idea of a candidate that is suitable for everyone.
So it's not really a stretch to imagine the opposite being no good either, even though in this case you agree with the points that they're making.
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Tory Leadership Race on 16:55 - Jun 19 with 1727 views
Tory Leadership Race on 16:49 - Jun 19 by Clive_Anderson
Well imagine there were Labour hustings on TV and the audience was made up entirely of UKIP and Brexit Party members asking questions purely to make the candidates look bad.
You'd probably say that it would be better to have a balanced audience to get a better idea of a candidate that is suitable for everyone.
So it's not really a stretch to imagine the opposite being no good either, even though in this case you agree with the points that they're making.
a. The audience wasn't 'entirely' Labour members - I don't think anyone's suggested that, so the point seems moot. Nor were the questions made to make them look bad. they were perfectly sensible questions that absolutely should've been asked, regardless of where it came from. b. Even if that were to happen, candidates, as I said, should be able to deal with what opposition throws at them. If they can't, they shouldn't be in that position, should they? c. A balanced audience is good - but a load of friendly soft ball questions helps no one.
Bare bones.
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Tory Leadership Race on 16:59 - Jun 19 with 1714 views
Tory Leadership Race on 16:55 - Jun 19 by Antti_Heinola
a. The audience wasn't 'entirely' Labour members - I don't think anyone's suggested that, so the point seems moot. Nor were the questions made to make them look bad. they were perfectly sensible questions that absolutely should've been asked, regardless of where it came from. b. Even if that were to happen, candidates, as I said, should be able to deal with what opposition throws at them. If they can't, they shouldn't be in that position, should they? c. A balanced audience is good - but a load of friendly soft ball questions helps no one.
Labour activists probably make up about 0.1% of the population, but seem to be over 50% of the people on these shows. It would be nice to have some sort of balance.
Also it seems to be the same people who complained how May called an unnecessary and expensive election when she took over from Cameron are the same ones demanding an election when one of these takes over.
I'm not asking for friendly questions, but how about some right of centre questions sometimes?
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Tory Leadership Race on 17:42 - Jun 19 with 1630 views
Tory Leadership Race on 17:15 - Jun 19 by Clive_Anderson
Labour activists probably make up about 0.1% of the population, but seem to be over 50% of the people on these shows. It would be nice to have some sort of balance.
Also it seems to be the same people who complained how May called an unnecessary and expensive election when she took over from Cameron are the same ones demanding an election when one of these takes over.
I'm not asking for friendly questions, but how about some right of centre questions sometimes?
The clue is in the name "activists"
They are more likely to get featured because they are more likely to apply for one
most of the right of centre either cant be arsed or are too busy visiting their holiday homes in the dordogne
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Tory Leadership Race on 17:53 - Jun 19 with 1621 views
They are more likely to get featured because they are more likely to apply for one
most of the right of centre either cant be arsed or are too busy visiting their holiday homes in the dordogne
But they always get out and vote and usually win ..
The question that the Labour activist posted was just batted away by all 5 .He didnt lay a glove on any of them The best bit of him appearing was that his views on rape have had a light shone on them .I think he has lost his job and been suspended by his mosque.He is confirming that words have consequences for himself .
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:00 - Jun 19 with 1618 views
Tory Leadership Race on 11:54 - Jun 19 by Mytch_QPR
In terms of regular posters, I would disagree to some extent - I think that a lot of the 'left leaning' posters have given up trying to get common sense through to the hardline Brexit crew. I know you tried (in vain) on another thread - it was a valiant effort but, as per usual, there's not a willingness to enter into a dialogue.
Look back.on my timeline in 2016 ,2017 and now .You will see that I will.have a dialogue with anyone often fighting my corner alone . I dont buy a paper .I follow loads of people I dont agree with on Twitter and am a member of the SDP but when you talk of hardline ,common sense and all of the other insults and patronising stuff that some remainers come out with I just switch off .If you think that is the way to open minds think again ..
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:37 - Jun 19 with 1573 views
Tory Leadership Race on 18:00 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy
Look back.on my timeline in 2016 ,2017 and now .You will see that I will.have a dialogue with anyone often fighting my corner alone . I dont buy a paper .I follow loads of people I dont agree with on Twitter and am a member of the SDP but when you talk of hardline ,common sense and all of the other insults and patronising stuff that some remainers come out with I just switch off .If you think that is the way to open minds think again ..
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Not referring to anyone on here in particular but some Remainers are the most obnoxious section of people on the Internet. The hashtag #FBPE is usually a clue.
Tory Leadership Race on 18:37 - Jun 19 by BazzaInTheLoft
Not referring to anyone on here in particular but some Remainers are the most obnoxious section of people on the Internet. The hashtag #FBPE is usually a clue.
Again not a pop at Remainers in general.
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Remainers on Twitter just make arses of themselves at times
Baz , what does a "paper" candidate mean ?
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:51 - Jun 19 with 1558 views
Tory Leadership Race on 14:09 - Jun 19 by BucksRanger
Because it would appear that the BBC vetting process allows left wing activists to get through. I don't see any other activists getting through this process. Why is there this left wing bias within the process?
Given the format, it didn't matter who asked the questions. We didn't get any answers. At least none that made sense.
Don't get hung up on left wing bias when the very first question came from a lifelong Tory, who'd switched to Farage's cult, and wanted a guarantee of Brexit on Oct 31.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one’s lifetime. (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:53 - Jun 19 with 1554 views
Tory Leadership Race on 18:51 - Jun 19 by derbyhoop
Given the format, it didn't matter who asked the questions. We didn't get any answers. At least none that made sense.
Don't get hung up on left wing bias when the very first question came from a lifelong Tory, who'd switched to Farage's cult, and wanted a guarantee of Brexit on Oct 31.
So if you cast a vote on a Parliamentary referendum .That vote isnt anywhere close to being honoured 3 years later and you lend your vote to a protest party in an election that shouldnt be taking place if the result had been honoured ...you have joined a cult ?
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Tory Leadership Race on 18:57 - Jun 19 with 1542 views
Tory Leadership Race on 19:00 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy
Cheers (learning all the time ! )
Not making mischief but didnt Corbyn at least at the start stand for that very reason ?
Sort of.
The socialist group in the Labour Party had shrunk to around 20 MPs because of 25 years of Blairism. They always stood serious candidates including Corbyn but stood little chance because the majority of Labour MPs are afraid of being associated with the word socialism and refused to publicly endorse their candidates despite privately offering support.
There is a great book called The Candidate by Alex Nunn which details how Corbyn fell into the leadership almost by accident. I’d recommend it. Some amazing stories of Blairite arrogance and contempt!
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Tory Leadership Race on 20:37 - Jun 19 with 1444 views
Tory Leadership Race on 18:56 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy
So if you cast a vote on a Parliamentary referendum .That vote isnt anywhere close to being honoured 3 years later and you lend your vote to a protest party in an election that shouldnt be taking place if the result had been honoured ...you have joined a cult ?
I'll continue calling it a cult because it is a limited company, controlled by Farage, with no members, only supporters. The whole process of collecting donations (sic!) from those supporters has been called into question by the Electoral Commission. How many people would have gone to a Brexit Party rally to listen to Tice or Habib?
It's not a political, or even a protest party, in any of the normal senses of the word.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one’s lifetime. (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:12 - Jun 19 with 1341 views
Tory Leadership Race on 17:53 - Jun 19 by essextaxiboy
But they always get out and vote and usually win ..
The question that the Labour activist posted was just batted away by all 5 .He didnt lay a glove on any of them The best bit of him appearing was that his views on rape have had a light shone on them .I think he has lost his job and been suspended by his mosque.He is confirming that words have consequences for himself .
"But they always get out and vote and usually win"
Absolutely they do, no argument there, the idealogical activists on both sides make the noise but the almost silent majority will generally tread a path balanced between social responsibility and self interest with a bias towards self interest.
seems to me its how heavy the bias towards self interest is that determines what sort of government and country we have ant any point in time
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Tory Leadership Race on 22:51 - Jun 19 with 1313 views
Tory Leadership Race on 19:16 - Jun 19 by BazzaInTheLoft
Sort of.
The socialist group in the Labour Party had shrunk to around 20 MPs because of 25 years of Blairism. They always stood serious candidates including Corbyn but stood little chance because the majority of Labour MPs are afraid of being associated with the word socialism and refused to publicly endorse their candidates despite privately offering support.
There is a great book called The Candidate by Alex Nunn which details how Corbyn fell into the leadership almost by accident. I’d recommend it. Some amazing stories of Blairite arrogance and contempt!
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'There is a great book called The Candidate by Alex Nunn which details how Corbyn fell into the leadership almost by accident. I’d recommend it.'
Yes and no. The thing I got from the book was that there was a move to the left in the Labour Party prior to Corbyn's arrival and prior to the Momentum influx. The unions had been out in the cold for so long that some of them were prepared to gamble on Corbyn. In other words Corbyn is an expression of a wider social force. He wouldn't have survived otherwise.
One thing that Nunn mentions is the attacks on Corbyn when he was first elected. We hear a great deal about how Leave supporters are attacked for being stupid, but how about this gem from Financial Times political columnist Janan Ganesh in 2016: "You can do analysis of Corbyn and his 'movement' (I have done it) but the essence of the whole thing is that they are just thick as pig shit."
Air hostess clique
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Tory Leadership Race on 23:01 - Jun 19 with 1296 views
I quite like this 'he's the only man to keep out...' argument. As in 'Boris is the only man to keep out Nigel Farage'. And of course Nigel Farage is the only man to keep out Tommy Robinson. And Tommy Robinson is only the man to keep out Sargon of Akkad.
Air hostess clique
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Tory Leadership Race on 10:58 - Jun 20 with 1129 views
Tory Leadership Race on 10:41 - Jun 20 by TacticalR
I quite like this 'he's the only man to keep out...' argument. As in 'Boris is the only man to keep out Nigel Farage'. And of course Nigel Farage is the only man to keep out Tommy Robinson. And Tommy Robinson is only the man to keep out Sargon of Akkad.
See also the "The only way to keep out the Tories is by becoming the Tories" rationale of the Blair years.
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Tory Leadership Race on 11:25 - Jun 20 with 1106 views
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