| Today's goals on Sky on 20:52 - Aug 31 with 2700 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
I've decided to try not to watch these anymore. Probably watch Quest later. Otherwise just waiting for the joyous LFW report. Not exactly a protest. Just a bit fed up with SKY.
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| Today's goals on Sky on 22:51 - Aug 31 with 2484 views | FDC |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 10:23 - Sep 2 with 2102 views | Mick_S |
The way he put the ball through the two Wednesday players before making that pass. Sexy football. |  |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 10:56 - Sep 2 with 2069 views | DavieQPR |
That overhead flick from Rangel to set Wells up was pretty sumptuous as well. |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:15 - Sep 2 with 1990 views | PinnerPaul |
| Today's goals on Sky on 20:52 - Aug 31 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I've decided to try not to watch these anymore. Probably watch Quest later. Otherwise just waiting for the joyous LFW report. Not exactly a protest. Just a bit fed up with SKY.
You Rrrrs [Post edited 31 Aug 2019 20:52]
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I never watch them - prefer the 10 - 15 min version on the offy.
If we win or draw then I'll watch the 90' through - doing that this afternoon. |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:28 - Sep 2 with 1970 views | Tonto |
I know this is a bit old school, but Hugill was 100% offside (IMO) for the second. He gains a massive advantage. if someone scored that against us I would be livid. the modern rules are stupid. |  |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 13:35 - Sep 2 with 1948 views | Boston |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Tonto |
I know this is a bit old school, but Hugill was 100% offside (IMO) for the second. He gains a massive advantage. if someone scored that against us I would be livid. the modern rules are stupid. |
So he's not offside then, because whatever game you play you can only do so with the rules. | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 13:42 - Sep 2 with 1932 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:15 - Sep 2 by PinnerPaul |
I never watch them - prefer the 10 - 15 min version on the offy.
If we win or draw then I'll watch the 90' through - doing that this afternoon. |
Yes I’ve watched the extended highlights twice today already.
Both goals are excellent. Second goal all about Manning for me. Excellent control and turn from the throw out. Nice exchange through the middle then puts it on a plate for Hugill.
I struggle with the new offside rules too but in this case Hugill was definitely onside. Definitely!  | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 13:47 - Sep 2 with 1926 views | W7Ranger |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Tonto |
I know this is a bit old school, but Hugill was 100% offside (IMO) for the second. He gains a massive advantage. if someone scored that against us I would be livid. the modern rules are stupid. |
Would you be saying the same thing if Hugill was the same yard or two past the last defender on the other side of the pitch no where near the ball when Chair plays Manning in?
The only reason this is a talking point is because for a split second he goes for Chairs pass before realising it was actually intended for Manning and that if he continued to go for it he'd be offside. It's clever play at the end of the day, like any other type of clever play you can get during a game that can work to your advantage, and is perfectly within the laws of the game and has been for years.
Henry (Thierry, not Karl!) worked this out years ago and was well known for standing in offside positions to gain an advantage as the passage of play would be no where near him and therefore he would not be offside. If you're an intelligent enough player, you can use it to your advantage, as Henry did many times.
It's Wednesdays defence fault for not stopping the ball to Manning, or not trapping Manning offside - not because we've cheated or the linesman/ref got it wrong. |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 14:21 - Sep 2 with 1868 views | stevec |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:47 - Sep 2 by W7Ranger |
Would you be saying the same thing if Hugill was the same yard or two past the last defender on the other side of the pitch no where near the ball when Chair plays Manning in?
The only reason this is a talking point is because for a split second he goes for Chairs pass before realising it was actually intended for Manning and that if he continued to go for it he'd be offside. It's clever play at the end of the day, like any other type of clever play you can get during a game that can work to your advantage, and is perfectly within the laws of the game and has been for years.
Henry (Thierry, not Karl!) worked this out years ago and was well known for standing in offside positions to gain an advantage as the passage of play would be no where near him and therefore he would not be offside. If you're an intelligent enough player, you can use it to your advantage, as Henry did many times.
It's Wednesdays defence fault for not stopping the ball to Manning, or not trapping Manning offside - not because we've cheated or the linesman/ref got it wrong. |
Fair play to the linesman for following the rule correctly. Their job has become infinitely more difficult hanging on to see whether the forward is actively going for the ball whilst the crowd are giving them earache expecting offside. |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 14:24 - Sep 2 with 1865 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Tonto |
I know this is a bit old school, but Hugill was 100% offside (IMO) for the second. He gains a massive advantage. if someone scored that against us I would be livid. the modern rules are stupid. |
They're not - the old rules (laws) were.
Offside is really only there so that the game isn't completely stretched, but over the years it became a major tactic to defend by playing offside, which was dull, boring and not much good for entertainment and goals would be chalked off for ludicrous reasons that had nothing to do with why the offside law existed.
The new laws redressed this balance and while it can be annoying for defenders, it really only catches them out for being a bit lazy and not tracking their men. The game is far better for it, even if it is complex. |  |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 14:27 - Sep 2 with 1861 views | Mick_S |
| Today's goals on Sky on 14:24 - Sep 2 by Antti_Heinola |
They're not - the old rules (laws) were.
Offside is really only there so that the game isn't completely stretched, but over the years it became a major tactic to defend by playing offside, which was dull, boring and not much good for entertainment and goals would be chalked off for ludicrous reasons that had nothing to do with why the offside law existed.
The new laws redressed this balance and while it can be annoying for defenders, it really only catches them out for being a bit lazy and not tracking their men. The game is far better for it, even if it is complex. |
So, is my carefully drawn diagram above now obsolete? Have I wasted my time? | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 14:31 - Sep 2 with 1852 views | Boston |
| Today's goals on Sky on 14:27 - Sep 2 by Mick_S |
So, is my carefully drawn diagram above now obsolete? Have I wasted my time? |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 14:40 - Sep 2 with 1833 views | Rs_Holy |
| Today's goals on Sky on 22:51 - Aug 31 by FDC |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 15:32 - Sep 2 with 1759 views | thame_hoops |
Lumley dives way too early for that PK |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 18:54 - Sep 2 with 1622 views | Match82 |
| Today's goals on Sky on 14:24 - Sep 2 by Antti_Heinola |
They're not - the old rules (laws) were.
Offside is really only there so that the game isn't completely stretched, but over the years it became a major tactic to defend by playing offside, which was dull, boring and not much good for entertainment and goals would be chalked off for ludicrous reasons that had nothing to do with why the offside law existed.
The new laws redressed this balance and while it can be annoying for defenders, it really only catches them out for being a bit lazy and not tracking their men. The game is far better for it, even if it is complex. |
It isn't offside but feels like it should be.
Fair play to Hugill for taking advantage but it does feel like the office role still isn't working what it needs to be |  | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 20:55 - Sep 2 with 1548 views | kensalriser |
I had to watch that goal several times before I figured out it was the correct decision. But Manning wasn’t offside and neither was Hugill when he received the ball. As being in an offside position isn’t an offence, for those who think Hugill was offside, when should the ref have blown and why? |  |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 02:54 - Sep 3 with 1409 views | Match82 |
| Today's goals on Sky on 20:55 - Sep 2 by kensalriser |
I had to watch that goal several times before I figured out it was the correct decision. But Manning wasn’t offside and neither was Hugill when he received the ball. As being in an offside position isn’t an offence, for those who think Hugill was offside, when should the ref have blown and why? |
By the laws of the game he wasn't. But personally I would prefer a version of the rule where he is offside - or at least when it happens against us!
Haven't watched it back but if I recall correctly he never gets back in an "onside" position relative to the defender - he's not offside at the end because he was behind the ball when it was played across.
So to answer the question - I'd have him as offside when he touches the ball if he's never got himself back onside again | | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 09:10 - Sep 3 with 1310 views | Mick_S |
| Today's goals on Sky on 02:54 - Sep 3 by Match82 |
By the laws of the game he wasn't. But personally I would prefer a version of the rule where he is offside - or at least when it happens against us!
Haven't watched it back but if I recall correctly he never gets back in an "onside" position relative to the defender - he's not offside at the end because he was behind the ball when it was played across.
So to answer the question - I'd have him as offside when he touches the ball if he's never got himself back onside again |
Match - I think he was in front of the ball when it was crossed. This is what I'm struggling with. | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 10:02 - Sep 3 with 1267 views | W7Ranger |
| Today's goals on Sky on 09:10 - Sep 3 by Mick_S |
Match - I think he was in front of the ball when it was crossed. This is what I'm struggling with. |
Hugill is behind Manning when Manning crosses in.
And the Wednesday player nearest to Manning plays Hugill onside anyway when he crosses in.
So nothing wrong with the goal at all. | | | |
| Today's goals on Sky on 10:08 - Sep 3 with 1260 views | Mick_S |
| Today's goals on Sky on 10:02 - Sep 3 by W7Ranger |
Hugill is behind Manning when Manning crosses in.
And the Wednesday player nearest to Manning plays Hugill onside anyway when he crosses in.
So nothing wrong with the goal at all. |
Got it - ta. I thought Hugill was in front of Manning - hence my confusion. I think. | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 13:25 - Sep 3 with 1176 views | Tonto |
as the person who started all this "offside" debate, can I just clarify:
I know it wasn't offside under the current interpretation of the law. What I am saying is that the law is (IMO) stupid. That is 2 different things.
Hugill is offside when the ball is played to Manning. He goes towards the ball, then puts his hands up and veers away from it to say "I'm not going for it". I accept that Manning's cross is behind him, meaning that by the time Hugill gets the ball and scores he is now "on-side".
But when the ball was played through to Manning he has gained a 2-3 metre advantage over the defenders at this time. Unless Usain Bolt starts playing again, no one is going to catch him. therefore IMO he has gained an advantage by being offside at this point, which he carries over to the point he scores. That doesn't feel right to me.
I accept that the old offside trap laws could lead to dull footy, but at least as a defender you knew where you were! | |
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| Today's goals on Sky on 15:37 - Sep 3 with 1098 views | PinnerPaul |
| Today's goals on Sky on 13:28 - Sep 2 by Tonto |
I know this is a bit old school, but Hugill was 100% offside (IMO) for the second. He gains a massive advantage. if someone scored that against us I would be livid. the modern rules are stupid. |
As I have explained you need to read the definition of 'gaining an advantage' in the laws.
In fact in the additional notes to the laws this exact situation is illustrated as an example of NOT offside | | | |
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