| Catalonia declares independence. 14:44 - Oct 27 with 13683 views | Lohengrin |
Here we go then, buckle up... |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:27 - Oct 27 with 1693 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:08 - Oct 27 by whoflungdung |
Its a rebel mentality ,a need to feel hate, a catharsis of the rot on the soul.
Catalonia is showing utter arrogance |
You hate more groups of people that you have never met than anyone else on this forum.
It must be to do with your age, cos its not normal to have that level of hate.
Maybe you feel your world is disappearing around you ?
Try not to worry so much..... it might help ? â˜˜ï¸ [Post edited 27 Oct 2017 20:28]
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:33 - Oct 27 with 1683 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:24 - Oct 27 by whoflungdung |
Twp from a Welshman with a wicked hatred of the English and a warped hatred of Irish rebels( killers)
Read the Pearse poem he quotes |
Its called The Mother.
Its about a mother losing 2 sons.
It does not call hate on anyone.
You are a silly old man. | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:41 - Oct 27 with 1681 views | SY1973 |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:22 - Oct 27 by Kilkennyjack |
I said Europe 😂.
Go ask your beloved Mrs Thatcher - who loved our European friends. 😂😂 |
Europe? Wtf are you talking about. |  | | |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:43 - Oct 27 with 1674 views | whoflungdung |
Paddytaff
Just pack the feck it in
Skin crawling stupidity | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:47 - Oct 27 with 1665 views | Darran |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:27 - Oct 27 by Kilkennyjack |
You hate more groups of people that you have never met than anyone else on this forum.
It must be to do with your age, cos its not normal to have that level of hate.
Maybe you feel your world is disappearing around you ?
Try not to worry so much..... it might help ? â˜˜ï¸ [Post edited 27 Oct 2017 20:28]
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He’s a 70 year old Scouce Alf Garnett,Kilk. He’s a bitter old racist çunt. |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 21:50 - Oct 27 with 1625 views | max936 |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:47 - Oct 27 by Darran |
He’s a 70 year old Scouce Alf Garnett,Kilk. He’s a bitter old racist çunt. |
Anyway this Catalonia Independence issue? |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:02 - Oct 27 with 1617 views | dickythorpe |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 21:50 - Oct 27 by max936 |
Anyway this Catalonia Independence issue? |
Fück em Max. I couldn't give a flying Feck about them |  | | |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:11 - Oct 27 with 1611 views | union_jack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 21:50 - Oct 27 by max936 |
Anyway this Catalonia Independence issue? |
Stop derailing the thread Max! |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:19 - Oct 27 with 1608 views | max936 |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:11 - Oct 27 by union_jack |
Stop derailing the thread Max! |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:27 - Oct 27 with 1601 views | longlostjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 21:50 - Oct 27 by max936 |
Anyway this Catalonia Independence issue? |
Well said Max. All this bitchy Manc Scouse stuff derailing the thread gets on my male booby. Viva Catalonia! [Post edited 27 Oct 2017 22:29]
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:36 - Oct 27 with 1591 views | SY1973 |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:15 - Oct 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Which is a big part of the reason why it won’t be allowed to happen. |
With a population of over 7.5 million, can’t see how Spain can stop them.
They want independence and should get it, end of. Anything else would be akin to the USSR, China, North Korea etc.
The Spanish government are swimming against the tide. The majority want independence. All the Spanish government can do is hold the process up, but in the end Catalonia will be free, and another nail in the coffin of the Frankenstein project (eu).
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:49 - Oct 27 with 1579 views | Lord_Bony |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 16:42 - Oct 27 by Lohengrin |
I think your geography is a little wayward there, M'Lud. Valencia is way south of Catalonia on the Costa del Azhar. |
https://www.quora.com/Catalan-independence-Would-Valencia-and-Balearic-islands-j
Should Catalonia achieve independence then there is the possibility of Valencia (they also speak Catalan) and the Balearic Islands of Majorca,Minorca and Ibiza would join them
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:59 - Oct 27 with 1565 views | longlostjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:36 - Oct 27 by SY1973 |
With a population of over 7.5 million, can’t see how Spain can stop them.
They want independence and should get it, end of. Anything else would be akin to the USSR, China, North Korea etc.
The Spanish government are swimming against the tide. The majority want independence. All the Spanish government can do is hold the process up, but in the end Catalonia will be free, and another nail in the coffin of the Frankenstein project (eu).
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Frankenstein? The sensible thing is to hold a proper referendum. Every democratic country should be pushing for that - never mind all this crap about not interfering in "national" issues. Then if the Catalonians vote for it so be it. Same for the Basques, Flemish , Bretons whoever. Either you believe in democracy or you don't. | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 23:41 - Oct 27 with 1543 views | whoflungdung |
Serious subject.
Why would it be derailed | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 04:40 - Oct 28 with 1494 views | yescomeon |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 20:06 - Oct 27 by SY1973 |
There is no desire for Scottish or Welsh independence. The Scottish voted against independence in 2014. The Welsh would reject independence by around 90 plus percent. |
I don't think any of that is entirely true. The Scottish independence vote was reasonably 50:50 so not true to say there is no desire there as there clearly is and Scottish independence is inevitable at some point in the future. They Welsh would reject independence, of that I have no doubt but I doubt very much it would be 90% no, 70-80% maybe but that's just splitting hairs. Still, it's not true to say there is no desire in Wales either as there clearly is, just not on the same scale as in Catalonia or Scotland, but that's most like due to the economics of it more than anything else. |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 04:41 - Oct 28 with 1493 views | yescomeon |
As an outsider that seems strange to me, like Cornwall joining an independent Wales. | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 05:40 - Oct 28 with 1481 views | pikeypaul |
He means they will all go independent not join each other. |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 05:43 - Oct 28 with 1480 views | Lord_Bony |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 04:41 - Oct 28 by yescomeon |
As an outsider that seems strange to me, like Cornwall joining an independent Wales. |
Why?
Geographically they are all in close proximity of each other.
All have come under the umbrella of.Catalonia in the past.
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 10:19 - Oct 28 with 1404 views | Highjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 22:36 - Oct 27 by SY1973 |
With a population of over 7.5 million, can’t see how Spain can stop them.
They want independence and should get it, end of. Anything else would be akin to the USSR, China, North Korea etc.
The Spanish government are swimming against the tide. The majority want independence. All the Spanish government can do is hold the process up, but in the end Catalonia will be free, and another nail in the coffin of the Frankenstein project (eu).
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Do they want independence though? That's not a question that's been adequately answered in a proper open, free and fair vote.
The situation is probably similar to the one in Scotland where the independence minority shout a lot louder than the union majority. So anyone looking in from outside only sees the people shouting for independence. |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 13:21 - Oct 28 with 1366 views | Lohengrin |
"This poll, conducted among citizens of Valencia, shows that only 2.5% of them consider themselves “only Valencian (but not Spanish)”
That comment rings true to me, Bony. My parents live the best part of the year in the Valencia region, they have done for about the last eighteen years and I've been back and forth a few times a year, every year, all that time. If there is a separatist/secessionist voice in the region it is so muted as to be practically inaudible.
You know the old saying about politics and religion being the two topics one should avoid in polite conversation, you also know me on here, they are probably the themes that animate me most. If there was something of a groundswell in Valencia I'd like to flatter myself that it isn't something that is likely to have passed me by. | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 13:25 - Oct 28 with 1360 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 10:19 - Oct 28 by Highjack |
Do they want independence though? That's not a question that's been adequately answered in a proper open, free and fair vote.
The situation is probably similar to the one in Scotland where the independence minority shout a lot louder than the union majority. So anyone looking in from outside only sees the people shouting for independence. |
Quite right.
If only the Catalonian government had thought about holding s referendum or something, so we could all see what the people wanted. Oh ...hang on .... | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 13:32 - Oct 28 with 1345 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 13:25 - Oct 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Quite right.
If only the Catalonian government had thought about holding s referendum or something, so we could all see what the people wanted. Oh ...hang on .... |
Catalonia doesnt have a Government, it has representatives in the Spanish Government. It is up to the Catalonia representatives to do this legally as per their constitution. What they did was totally illegal and non binding in Spanish law, this is the whole problem.
The way it was done in Sotland was the the right way to do it, although the UK constitution allows it, the Spanish one does not.
Fwiw, they should be allowed one, but they wont get one now. Itll be jackboots and truncheons instead. [Post edited 28 Oct 2017 13:32]
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 14:07 - Oct 28 with 1319 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 10:19 - Oct 28 by Highjack |
Do they want independence though? That's not a question that's been adequately answered in a proper open, free and fair vote.
The situation is probably similar to the one in Scotland where the independence minority shout a lot louder than the union majority. So anyone looking in from outside only sees the people shouting for independence. |
The reason the question wasn’t answered adequately is because the Spanish government wouldn’t allow it to be. |  |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 15:23 - Oct 28 with 1286 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 14:07 - Oct 28 by exiledclaseboy |
The reason the question wasn’t answered adequately is because the Spanish government wouldn’t allow it to be. |
Correct.
Worth noting ........
36% of Catalans voted for indy
34% of British voted for Brexit
Just saying ....... | |
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| Catalonia declares independence. on 15:26 - Oct 28 with 1284 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Catalonia declares independence. on 13:32 - Oct 28 by PozuelosSideys |
Catalonia doesnt have a Government, it has representatives in the Spanish Government. It is up to the Catalonia representatives to do this legally as per their constitution. What they did was totally illegal and non binding in Spanish law, this is the whole problem.
The way it was done in Sotland was the the right way to do it, although the UK constitution allows it, the Spanish one does not.
Fwiw, they should be allowed one, but they wont get one now. Itll be jackboots and truncheons instead. [Post edited 28 Oct 2017 13:32]
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Well yes but.....as we all now ...
Slavery was legal
Apartheid was legal
British rule in usa was legal
So legal is not always right .... | |
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