| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread 01:10 - Oct 14 with 24939 views | jackharris |
Sam Surridge and Tom Carroll make their first Championship
starts of the season for Swansea City at Barnsley. Striker Surridge —
fresh from scoring for England Under-21s over the international break
— is preferred to Borja Bastos in attack. Carroll, meanwhile, makes
his first league start in a year as he gets the nod in midfield as Jay Fulton
misses out on a place in the matchday squad.
Connor Roberts drops to the bench as Kyle Naughton moves to
right-back and Jake Bidwell comes back into the side at left-back,
while George Byers comes in for Yan Dhanda. Freddie Woodman
continues in goal with Naughton and Bidwell on the flanks of a
defence helmed by Mike van der Hoorn and Joe Rodon.
Carroll partners captain Matt Grimes in midfield, with Andre Ayew
and Bersant Celina playing either side of Byers. Surridge leads the line,
while Kristoffer Nordfeldt is among the substitutes following illness.
Barnsley: Brad Collins, Kenny Dougall, Jacob Brown, Cameron McGeehan,
Cauley Woodrow, Conor Chaplin, Dimitri Cavare, Toby Sibbick, Aapo Halme,
Alex Mowatt (captain), Bambo Diaby.
Substitutes: Jack Walton, Mads Andersen, Ben Williams, Mike Bahre,
Luke Thomas, Clarke Odour, Elliot Simoes.
Swansea City: Freddie Woodman; Kyle Naughton, Mike van der Hoorn,
Joe Rodon, Jake Bidwell; Matt Grimes (captain), Tom Carroll;
Andre Ayew, George Byers, Bersant Celina; Sam Surridge.
Substitutes: Kristoffer Nordfeldt, Ben Wilmot, Connor Roberts,
Wayne Routledge, Kristoffer Peterson, Jordon Garrick, Borja Baston. [Post edited 19 Oct 2019 14:06]
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:45 - Oct 19 with 1639 views | Badlands |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 19:58 - Oct 19 by 34dfgdf54 |
We are third? Is that not proving himself enough?
Where do you expect us to be in this league out of curiosity? |
It isn't about where we are at the moment it's about where we are heading if he doesn't change things.
We've been dreadful, really dreadful since the last International break.
1 point from the 2 bottom teams - and deservedly so.
just 6 points from the 21 points on offer during that time.
And playing like strangers.
Surridge for Borja? Come off it. |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:53 - Oct 19 with 1604 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Badlands |
It isn't about where we are at the moment it's about where we are heading if he doesn't change things.
We've been dreadful, really dreadful since the last International break.
1 point from the 2 bottom teams - and deservedly so.
just 6 points from the 21 points on offer during that time.
And playing like strangers.
Surridge for Borja? Come off it. |
We are heading to mid table which is what I expected. |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 21:04 - Oct 19 with 1584 views | NeathJack |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:45 - Oct 19 by Badlands |
It isn't about where we are at the moment it's about where we are heading if he doesn't change things.
We've been dreadful, really dreadful since the last International break.
1 point from the 2 bottom teams - and deservedly so.
just 6 points from the 21 points on offer during that time.
And playing like strangers.
Surridge for Borja? Come off it. |
3 games in a week mean that Surridge for Borja is a perfectly sensible selection for one of those 3 games.
At the very least it seems he's learning a little from the mistakes made from the lack of rotation in the previous 3 games in a week. |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 21:58 - Oct 19 with 1474 views | majorraglan |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 19:58 - Oct 19 by 34dfgdf54 |
We are third? Is that not proving himself enough?
Where do you expect us to be in this league out of curiosity? |
Third, but in a downward trajectory. Cooper needs to try and change things about. There are some big games in the next few weeks and let’s make no bones about it, play like that against Cardiff and the 3 points will be going up the M4 with Warnock and the trolls will be out in force. |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 21:59 - Oct 19 with 1474 views | LeonWasGod |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:53 - Oct 19 by 34dfgdf54 |
We are heading to mid table which is what I expected. |
It is about expectations. That good start didn't do us any favours really from that point of view. I'm fairly sure the dominant view on here in the summer is that we'd be mid-table. I thought we would, and yes we probably will end up there.
Seasons ebb and flow. We're not imploding, so there's no panic, we're just not on our A game. It happens. |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 22:47 - Oct 19 with 1407 views | monmouth |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 19:58 - Oct 19 by 34dfgdf54 |
We are third? Is that not proving himself enough?
Where do you expect us to be in this league out of curiosity? |
Don’t be silly, you know better than that. If he persists with the current approach we won’t be third for long. |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 23:07 - Oct 19 with 1375 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:36 - Oct 19 by sainthelens |
The negativity on here from some is mind numbing. If we are playing that badly and sit 3rd....fck me that'll do. Some need to weigh up what was expected at the start of the season and where we are now. Every side will hit a flat spot, ok, we need a bitta muscle in midfield but FFS get behind the lads. |
The man talks sense. |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 01:40 - Oct 20 with 1252 views | Chief |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 20:36 - Oct 19 by sainthelens |
The negativity on here from some is mind numbing. If we are playing that badly and sit 3rd....fck me that'll do. Some need to weigh up what was expected at the start of the season and where we are now. Every side will hit a flat spot, ok, we need a bitta muscle in midfield but FFS get behind the lads. |
Totally agree with the vast majority of your post.
But do you think as a team, in October we are playing and putting performances in worthy of our lofty position? |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 03:52 - Oct 20 with 1208 views | TimTtam |
I missed the game (we're still undefeated in games I haven't watched) but sounds like it was ugly.
Still, the midfield hasn't changed in terms of form or ability. After the last few weeks where Cooper and the players have come out and said stuff like 'it's unacceptable' or 'frustrating' to let leads slip or not make the most of dominance, nothing has changed. That tells me that the mindset of the players is fine. It's just that right now we're not a very good team.
Amazingly we're still 4th (will be when Forest win today) though. My early thoughts about it being a competitive championship are well and truly gone. Leeds have been hot and cold, yet are 2nd. Same with us at 3rd. Preston lost to Reading, and Stoke beat Fulham 2-0. No one is capitalising on other teams' failures except West Brom and Forest.
We're probably going to be one of those teams that does well against good sides, but lays an egg against relegation teams. Brentford will be a good indicator, since their confidence is high after scoring 3 goals in the last 14 minutes to come from 0-2 down to a 3-2 win. And since the game is on when I'll be asleep, we will not lose it  |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 03:56 - Oct 20 with 1214 views | dameedna |
We are playing well enough to get promoted.
Every game is close.
When we dont play well or hit a team that has good game we dont buckle and keep going.
Hopefully Carroll and other will provide some impetus he is capable of running the show. |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 04:01 - Oct 20 with 1206 views | TimTtam |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 03:56 - Oct 20 by dameedna |
We are playing well enough to get promoted.
Every game is close.
When we dont play well or hit a team that has good game we dont buckle and keep going.
Hopefully Carroll and other will provide some impetus he is capable of running the show. |
As someone pointed out, we are 19th on the form table. | |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 04:20 - Oct 20 with 1199 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 03:56 - Oct 20 by dameedna |
We are playing well enough to get promoted.
Every game is close.
When we dont play well or hit a team that has good game we dont buckle and keep going.
Hopefully Carroll and other will provide some impetus he is capable of running the show. |
I’ve never seen evidence of Tom Carroll being good enough to run the show. | | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 08:10 - Oct 20 with 1107 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 01:40 - Oct 20 by Chief |
Totally agree with the vast majority of your post.
But do you think as a team, in October we are playing and putting performances in worthy of our lofty position? |
No they are not, but it’s because, in my humble opinion, that we are in a false position.
We have good players in the team, Rodon, VDH, Ayew etc but have nothing in central midfield. I personally don’t rate any of our options in the middle, Grimes, Fulton and Byers not good enough and games are won and lost in that area. No legs, no physicality, it’s powder puff and it’s starting to show.Our last promotion team had Pratley and Allen, they covered every blade of glass and could play a bit aswell.
My only gripe with Cooper is the Celina situation, how it hasn’t been changed yet is beyond me. But all things considered he’s doing a fine job with the players he has at his disposal. | | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 09:07 - Oct 20 with 1041 views | sainthelens |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 01:40 - Oct 20 by Chief |
Totally agree with the vast majority of your post.
But do you think as a team, in October we are playing and putting performances in worthy of our lofty position? |
Your last point may have some substance , but this isn't the PL, the standard throughout isn't great
The year the scum went up, their football was fckn awful....this league is about hanging around the top 6 no matter what.
We all want our controlled passing game, but this league is a fckn grind , it's been so long since we were here maybe we've forgotten that. This squad is perhaps not quite as talented as the one that Brenda took us up with. There are always pivotal weeks in a season, but the next 2 games are without doubt our biggest so far this season to really show what wer about . |  | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 09:19 - Oct 20 with 1025 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 08:10 - Oct 20 by 34dfgdf54 |
No they are not, but it’s because, in my humble opinion, that we are in a false position.
We have good players in the team, Rodon, VDH, Ayew etc but have nothing in central midfield. I personally don’t rate any of our options in the middle, Grimes, Fulton and Byers not good enough and games are won and lost in that area. No legs, no physicality, it’s powder puff and it’s starting to show.Our last promotion team had Pratley and Allen, they covered every blade of glass and could play a bit aswell.
My only gripe with Cooper is the Celina situation, how it hasn’t been changed yet is beyond me. But all things considered he’s doing a fine job with the players he has at his disposal. |
We are one solid midfield player away from being a very good all round team. Unfortunately for Cooper the cupboard is bare. I think Fulton is a steady Eddie but have no faith Byers at all. Not good enough for this league.
If Wilmot could be intergrated into the CDM slot (especially for the types of games we’ve been struggling in , Stoke, Reading and now Barnsley) and push Grimes further forward behind Celina and put Routs on the left wing we’d manage these types of games better. |  |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 09:34 - Oct 20 with 1006 views | TimTtam |
I looked, and Byers has played no league games as a central midfielder this season. He and Grimes were in the midfield together for quite a few games in the second half of last season. I do think he's physically weak and will get pushed off the ball easily, but maybe it's a way to get Grimes back into form? It's probably a wild theory, but I'm lost for ideas at this stage.
As others have said, if we had a quality midfielder and/or Grimes was back to his 2018/19 form, we would be top of the league and on our merry way. | |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 11:14 - Oct 20 with 898 views | Badlands |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 09:07 - Oct 20 by sainthelens |
Your last point may have some substance , but this isn't the PL, the standard throughout isn't great
The year the scum went up, their football was fckn awful....this league is about hanging around the top 6 no matter what.
We all want our controlled passing game, but this league is a fckn grind , it's been so long since we were here maybe we've forgotten that. This squad is perhaps not quite as talented as the one that Brenda took us up with. There are always pivotal weeks in a season, but the next 2 games are without doubt our biggest so far this season to really show what wer about . |
Do you think we are grinding results?
When we put together our passing games (at least a half of the first 6 games) no-one came close to us.
Since Leeds (smash and grab but a win) we've picked up 6 points from a possible 21, played appallingly poor football, take 1 point from games against the 2 bottom clubs.
Unless something radical happens soon we could be in real trouble.
Decent players will certainly be looking to move in January if we drop to the bottom half of the table. | |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 11:31 - Oct 20 with 886 views | sainthelens |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 11:14 - Oct 20 by Badlands |
Do you think we are grinding results?
When we put together our passing games (at least a half of the first 6 games) no-one came close to us.
Since Leeds (smash and grab but a win) we've picked up 6 points from a possible 21, played appallingly poor football, take 1 point from games against the 2 bottom clubs.
Unless something radical happens soon we could be in real trouble.
Decent players will certainly be looking to move in January if we drop to the bottom half of the table. |
Results at Charlton and Barnsley were a bit of a grind imo. We have dropped points cos we've gone to sleep in final minutes of games. But yes, our passing game has deserted us last few weeks. No excuses, but maybe few reasons, one being we can't get going after an international break...the other being blatantly obvious is the positioning of Celina. Should the next couple of games go tits up, then I'd be a little concerned. Until then, we are 3rd for a reason. | | | |
| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 12:08 - Oct 20 with 848 views | Swansea93 |
Borja was livid full time, he quickly waved to the fans and headed down the tunnel, I don't understand why he was dropped, maybe because the 3 games in a week or because Surridge scored for England U21s? | |
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| The Official Barnsley FC v Swansea City Match Thread on 12:29 - Oct 20 with 828 views | jruss1 |
It's 100% because of the 3 game week. Borja was excellent vs Reading and Charlton but looked knackered come the Stoke game.
I would rather have him out there for both home games this week so think it was the right call. | | | |
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