| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. 23:33 - Oct 22 with 24914 views | Highjack |
Dr Drakeford and his cronies have really set the bar high on the incompetence stakes on this one.
They have announced tonight that retailers will only be allowed to sell “essential goods” during the 17 day lockdown but they are unable to say what counts as essential or non essential. At the time of writing this there is just over 18 hours to go until these rules come into force. The predictable result is that the entire population of Wales will rush out in the short time that is left and ravage the shelves of anything and everything that could potentially count as non essential. Meanwhile retailers are completely in the dark with just a few hours to go they are blissfully unaware of what they will or won’t be allowed to sell or whether they’ll be allowed to stay open at all.
Absolute idiocy from dippy Drakeford and this cabal of insidiously irrational imbeciles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:40 - Oct 25 with 1137 views | Jack123 |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 20:41 - Oct 25 by Scotia |
He's got an absolute cheek putting that up. He was one of the worst offenders for disregarding social distancing and eventually ended up being closed. That was too little too late.
He's part of the reason we're back in this situation. He should swap "M Drakeford" for "N Redfearn" |
I doubt it very much if he is part of the reason of the situation we are going through now. The measures they have brought in are ineffective, and in IMO always will be. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:52 - Oct 25 with 1124 views | Scotia |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:40 - Oct 25 by Jack123 |
I doubt it very much if he is part of the reason of the situation we are going through now. The measures they have brought in are ineffective, and in IMO always will be. |
Why did he get warned and then shut down then? And how can a short but more rigid lockdown be ineffective?
I'm not a fan of it at all, but it will be effective for a short while. |  | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:55 - Oct 25 with 1122 views | Catullus |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:52 - Oct 25 by Scotia |
Why did he get warned and then shut down then? And how can a short but more rigid lockdown be ineffective?
I'm not a fan of it at all, but it will be effective for a short while. |
How effective it is we shall find out. Will they admit if the firebreak failed? Orwill they blather through it? | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:02 - Oct 25 with 1115 views | Scotia |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:55 - Oct 25 by Catullus |
How effective it is we shall find out. Will they admit if the firebreak failed? Orwill they blather through it? |
I think there'll be a gradual and small decrease, a plateau then an increase and another fire break. Probably starting the last 10 days or so of November.
I think it depends on the measures after November 9th, they may allow the effectiveness to be blathererd through even if those measures would have been sufficient in their own right anyway. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:35 - Oct 25 with 1100 views | Jack123 |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:02 - Oct 25 by Scotia |
I think there'll be a gradual and small decrease, a plateau then an increase and another fire break. Probably starting the last 10 days or so of November.
I think it depends on the measures after November 9th, they may allow the effectiveness to be blathererd through even if those measures would have been sufficient in their own right anyway. |
I think it would be the same regardless. How long have we had this local lock down in Swansea? Seems like an eternity? But a guess, a couple of weeks.. It's not working. masks and social distancing not working.. Or should i say, not so much not working, but doomed to failure from the start..
What they are doing is not on, there is a poor science behind it!, and if the numbers really are increasing what's the point in masks and social distancing, and these local lockdowns, not seeing your loved ones? You just know they are going to make it worse, and pull even worse restrictions.. :( | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:46 - Oct 25 with 1083 views | Andy1300 |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:35 - Oct 25 by Jack123 |
I think it would be the same regardless. How long have we had this local lock down in Swansea? Seems like an eternity? But a guess, a couple of weeks.. It's not working. masks and social distancing not working.. Or should i say, not so much not working, but doomed to failure from the start..
What they are doing is not on, there is a poor science behind it!, and if the numbers really are increasing what's the point in masks and social distancing, and these local lockdowns, not seeing your loved ones? You just know they are going to make it worse, and pull even worse restrictions.. :( |
They are not allowed to admit they got it wrong at 5he start and now have to carry on with the lies and fear mongering |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 23:02 - Oct 25 with 1086 views | Scotia |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:35 - Oct 25 by Jack123 |
I think it would be the same regardless. How long have we had this local lock down in Swansea? Seems like an eternity? But a guess, a couple of weeks.. It's not working. masks and social distancing not working.. Or should i say, not so much not working, but doomed to failure from the start..
What they are doing is not on, there is a poor science behind it!, and if the numbers really are increasing what's the point in masks and social distancing, and these local lockdowns, not seeing your loved ones? You just know they are going to make it worse, and pull even worse restrictions.. :( |
Working doesn't necessarily mean a massive drop in cases. What does seem to have happened is a slowing of the rate of increase and that is a good thing, that shows it is working. I'd say to the point that this fire break is over the top.
There's not poor science behind it. This business about deaths being lower or similar is almost irrelevant and this false positive test stuff is rubbish.
I have found out today that my mate tested positive, he's fine but his Mrs is rough as anything with a test to come tomorrow. They are early 40s and caught it from her brother who is a prison officer by the looks of it. They were supposed to be having his parents around today, both significant health issues and late 70's. Thank god they didn't, that's how this lockdown is working. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 23:06 - Oct 25 with 1078 views | Andy1300 |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 23:02 - Oct 25 by Scotia |
Working doesn't necessarily mean a massive drop in cases. What does seem to have happened is a slowing of the rate of increase and that is a good thing, that shows it is working. I'd say to the point that this fire break is over the top.
There's not poor science behind it. This business about deaths being lower or similar is almost irrelevant and this false positive test stuff is rubbish.
I have found out today that my mate tested positive, he's fine but his Mrs is rough as anything with a test to come tomorrow. They are early 40s and caught it from her brother who is a prison officer by the looks of it. They were supposed to be having his parents around today, both significant health issues and late 70's. Thank god they didn't, that's how this lockdown is working. |
So, how come someone tested positive, then a few days later tested negative? | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 23:19 - Oct 25 with 1076 views | Scotia |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 23:06 - Oct 25 by Andy1300 |
So, how come someone tested positive, then a few days later tested negative? |
I don't know the circumstances and I'm not an expert but false negatives are up to 8 times more likely to occur than false positives according to the lancet.
Of course perhaps his/her immune system worked as designed?
The deniers and their websites don't even acknowledge the presence of false negatives and can't explain why all of these false positives have suddenly appeared. It is BS propaganda.
This is real, but we aren't going about controlling it correctly. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 06:36 - Oct 26 with 1033 views | Dr_Winston |
I think it's fairly obvious that there are serious issues around the accuracy of the test being used. Most people will have a story of someone with no symptoms testing positive, or someone with symptoms testing negative. Problem is policy is being driven by those test figures.
Massive decisions are being made based on faulty data. Decisions that can devastate people's lives and livelihoods. That shouldn't be happening this far in. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 07:15 - Oct 26 with 1014 views | Scotia |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 06:36 - Oct 26 by Dr_Winston |
I think it's fairly obvious that there are serious issues around the accuracy of the test being used. Most people will have a story of someone with no symptoms testing positive, or someone with symptoms testing negative. Problem is policy is being driven by those test figures.
Massive decisions are being made based on faulty data. Decisions that can devastate people's lives and livelihoods. That shouldn't be happening this far in. |
The Prof did explain the false positives claim earlier in one of the many other threads.
Basically there is nothing to it.
Nothing is really infallible but it's all we've got. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 07:21 - Oct 26 with 993 views | trampie |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 07:15 - Oct 26 by Scotia |
The Prof did explain the false positives claim earlier in one of the many other threads.
Basically there is nothing to it.
Nothing is really infallible but it's all we've got. |
What prof, what did he say, have you got a link ? |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 08:56 - Oct 26 with 974 views | britferry |
Vaughan Gething latest: people CAN buy 'non-essential' goods so long as they are essential! | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 09:08 - Oct 26 with 965 views | felixstowe_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 22:35 - Oct 25 by Jack123 |
I think it would be the same regardless. How long have we had this local lock down in Swansea? Seems like an eternity? But a guess, a couple of weeks.. It's not working. masks and social distancing not working.. Or should i say, not so much not working, but doomed to failure from the start..
What they are doing is not on, there is a poor science behind it!, and if the numbers really are increasing what's the point in masks and social distancing, and these local lockdowns, not seeing your loved ones? You just know they are going to make it worse, and pull even worse restrictions.. :( |
4 weeks so far | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:09 - Oct 26 with 910 views | Andy1300 |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 09:08 - Oct 26 by felixstowe_jack |
4 weeks so far |
So dopey drakeford has told Tesco that tampax etc are non essential.
Time to get rid of this clown and end the lockdown | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:23 - Oct 26 with 906 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:09 - Oct 26 by Andy1300 |
So dopey drakeford has told Tesco that tampax etc are non essential.
Time to get rid of this clown and end the lockdown |
What's your alternative plan? | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:37 - Oct 26 with 898 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:09 - Oct 26 by Andy1300 |
So dopey drakeford has told Tesco that tampax etc are non essential.
Time to get rid of this clown and end the lockdown |
I’m no fan of Drakeford but Tesco has now apologised for getting it wrong. The list of essential items included sanitary products. |  |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:48 - Oct 26 with 894 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 21:55 - Oct 25 by Catullus |
How effective it is we shall find out. Will they admit if the firebreak failed? Orwill they blather through it? |
One of the problems is that no one will know on November 9th whether it was a success or a failure. If figures eventually show it to have been a success they will have stopped it too early and we will get longer lockdowns in future. If figures eventually show it to have been a failure it will have put another nail in the economy for nothing.
Like others, I expect a Christmas relaxation of restrictions so that families can get together (otherwise there will be massive unrest) followed by another lockdown. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:01 - Oct 26 with 885 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 06:36 - Oct 26 by Dr_Winston |
I think it's fairly obvious that there are serious issues around the accuracy of the test being used. Most people will have a story of someone with no symptoms testing positive, or someone with symptoms testing negative. Problem is policy is being driven by those test figures.
Massive decisions are being made based on faulty data. Decisions that can devastate people's lives and livelihoods. That shouldn't be happening this far in. |
Not just faulty test data.
The statistics now bear no relationship to the statistics back in april/may/june, the mortality rate has gone way down from 1000 in 5000 cases to less than 250 in 25000 cases.
If the original social distancing, hand washing and all the efforts put in to make shops and work spaces safe actually worked why do we need full lockdown?
The total relaxation of those early controls, plus the let's all party and get pissed attitude is the problem. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:31 - Oct 26 with 867 views | Highjack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 08:56 - Oct 26 by britferry |
Vaughan Gething latest: people CAN buy 'non-essential' goods so long as they are essential! |
Well that clears everything up nicely. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:36 - Oct 26 with 857 views | pikeypaul |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:01 - Oct 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not just faulty test data.
The statistics now bear no relationship to the statistics back in april/may/june, the mortality rate has gone way down from 1000 in 5000 cases to less than 250 in 25000 cases.
If the original social distancing, hand washing and all the efforts put in to make shops and work spaces safe actually worked why do we need full lockdown?
The total relaxation of those early controls, plus the let's all party and get pissed attitude is the problem. |
20% mortality rate? I think you are a little mixed up .
I do agree that comparing last Mays infection rates to today’s is like comparing apples and Oranges.
The vast majority who test positive now are young with hardly any symptoms a lot of the same demographic in May would have had it but not known.
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:42 - Oct 26 with 854 views | Highjack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 11:37 - Oct 26 by Joe_bradshaw |
I’m no fan of Drakeford but Tesco has now apologised for getting it wrong. The list of essential items included sanitary products. |
The problem is that retailers have had absolutely no clarity or guidance on what exactly constitutes essential or non essential so they had to make snap judgements and only had a few hours to do it.
Remember this non essential thing was only announced late night before lockdown. Many have been warned of increased trading standards visits which have the power to close the premises immediately so they have to ensure complete compliance so in many cases they’ve just hedged their bets a bit.
Obviously when it comes to sanitary products for ladies somebody should have used common sense and said yeah this is obviously essential but then you could make the argument for anything being essential really, which is why this has been a huge clusterfudge from the start. | |
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:44 - Oct 26 with 853 views | pikeypaul |
Just driven along Mumbles Rd to pick up a prescription for a housebound neighbour and the Promenade is busier than a sunny August bank holiday with probably 1 in 10 masked up.Mostly 30 somethings you know the ones ,the ones that know better than the rest and Covid is not an issue as long as they get paid not to work and it continues to be the older people who die they are happy.
Obviously the people correctly or incorrectly have decided to ignore this lockdown and the advice and precautions to take.
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| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 14:07 - Oct 26 with 824 views | controversial_jack |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:44 - Oct 26 by pikeypaul |
Just driven along Mumbles Rd to pick up a prescription for a housebound neighbour and the Promenade is busier than a sunny August bank holiday with probably 1 in 10 masked up.Mostly 30 somethings you know the ones ,the ones that know better than the rest and Covid is not an issue as long as they get paid not to work and it continues to be the older people who die they are happy.
Obviously the people correctly or incorrectly have decided to ignore this lockdown and the advice and precautions to take.
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We will be in this lockdown longer then. No pubs, restaurants, gyms. | | | |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 14:14 - Oct 26 with 817 views | Boundy |
| “Firebreak lockdown” a masterclass in incompetence. on 12:44 - Oct 26 by pikeypaul |
Just driven along Mumbles Rd to pick up a prescription for a housebound neighbour and the Promenade is busier than a sunny August bank holiday with probably 1 in 10 masked up.Mostly 30 somethings you know the ones ,the ones that know better than the rest and Covid is not an issue as long as they get paid not to work and it continues to be the older people who die they are happy.
Obviously the people correctly or incorrectly have decided to ignore this lockdown and the advice and precautions to take.
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