| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33358 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:41 - Dec 20 with 1215 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:47 - Dec 20 by Groo |
You mean the nurse who came from a low COVID area and worked in a mental hospital who marched with placards in her nurses uniform telling everyone its a hoax as her hospital had beds and no COVID patients.
That one? |
Yep, that one, but was there any truth in what she said.
There were many hospitals in the first wave that saw very few covid cases and the rest of the hospital was like a ghost town. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:45 - Dec 20 with 1210 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:41 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Yep, that one, but was there any truth in what she said.
There were many hospitals in the first wave that saw very few covid cases and the rest of the hospital was like a ghost town. |
She wasn't a nurse and didn't work in a hospital. She was a care assistant in a neurological care home. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:51 - Dec 20 with 1202 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:33 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are the one with the problem.
It is the official SWEDISH DATA, not some internet forum.
Which part of that don't you understand.
I know all of it, it is just too complicated for you. |
But there is obviously a significant amount of backdating needed. Otherwise there is an inverse relationship between cases and deaths, or Sweden started using a miracle cure last week.
It does look like they have though.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:57 - Dec 20 with 1198 views | Groo |
Deaths per 1 million population associated to COVID (Population).
Sweden: ______789_______(10,128,783)
Swedens neighbours.
Norway:_______74_______(5,441,086)
Finland: _______88_______(5,544,769)
Denmark: _____178_______(5,801,783)
Estonia: _______131_______(1,326,955)
Latvia:_________234_______(1,876,296)
Lithuania : _____377_______(2,704,217)
Poland:________671_______(37,827,071)
Germany:______316_______(83,909,818)
The make-up of Sweden is closer to Norway and Finland. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:59 - Dec 20 with 1192 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:45 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
She wasn't a nurse and didn't work in a hospital. She was a care assistant in a neurological care home. |
Plus she publically wore her employers uniform with their name on it. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:24 - Dec 20 with 1165 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:51 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
But there is obviously a significant amount of backdating needed. Otherwise there is an inverse relationship between cases and deaths, or Sweden started using a miracle cure last week.
It does look like they have though.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo |
So, have we also got a miracle cure?
Have you compared our initial Mortality rate to now.
I thought not.
It is all about the testing finding thousands of asomptomatic cases.
Give it up | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:33 - Dec 20 with 1161 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:51 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
But there is obviously a significant amount of backdating needed. Otherwise there is an inverse relationship between cases and deaths, or Sweden started using a miracle cure last week.
It does look like they have though.
https://www.theguardian.com/wo |
Of course the big factor you are missing is that there is a 1 to 4 week time lag between Tests/symptoms and Death. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 16:34]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:59 - Dec 20 with 1150 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:24 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
So, have we also got a miracle cure?
Have you compared our initial Mortality rate to now.
I thought not.
It is all about the testing finding thousands of asomptomatic cases.
Give it up |
You don't know what an inverse relationship is do you? We have less deaths per confirmed cases in this wave due to more tests, but deaths still increase as cases increase.
It's nothing to do with a lag between infection and death. Infections have been rising in Sweden for a couple of months, but deaths decreasing over the last week or so. It's pretty obvious that isn't correct, there is a lag between them occurring and appearing on worldometer. | | | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:19 - Dec 20 with 1135 views | jack2jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:08 - Dec 20 by Catullus |
I didn't call you any names and I haven't posted any graphs. What I posted are the live numbers of cases in SBHB today.
You say what you posted was factual but so was what I posted. Somebody is wrong, who knows it might be me. |
And I never disagreed with you, merely pointed out, what's been said in a private conversation.
ATB. |  | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:23 - Dec 20 with 1132 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:59 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
You don't know what an inverse relationship is do you? We have less deaths per confirmed cases in this wave due to more tests, but deaths still increase as cases increase.
It's nothing to do with a lag between infection and death. Infections have been rising in Sweden for a couple of months, but deaths decreasing over the last week or so. It's pretty obvious that isn't correct, there is a lag between them occurring and appearing on worldometer. |
Self Censored, I should not get angry when others can't see the wood for the trees.
It is the OFFICIAL SWEDISH DATA. I even gave you a link to the data.
How many times do I have to say it, it is not worldometers that is the problem.
Yes the so called cases have gone up and so have the Deaths, in fact there seems to be very little time lag. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 17:36]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:32 - Dec 20 with 1127 views | jack2jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:52 - Dec 20 by Groo |
I find people like you dangerous.
I believe people have the right to chose and this right comes with responsibility. At times that right has to be overriden.
In the case of wearing a mask, this is not nly to protect the wearer but others, in this case using your right to chose not only puts your own life in danger but can put others in danger. This is a public safety issue.
How far do you thing your rights should go? Not wear a helmut when riding a bike? not wear safety overall at work? how about entering a radiated area without a hazmat suit, after all its your right. |
People like me, and the last time I looked, there is still the ability in this country to question what is put in front of us,freedom of speech I believe they call it.
Now if you can find any direct quote where I have said folk should not abide by the rules or wear masks then feel free to put it up.I'll be back later. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:13 - Dec 20 with 1102 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:23 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Self Censored, I should not get angry when others can't see the wood for the trees.
It is the OFFICIAL SWEDISH DATA. I even gave you a link to the data.
How many times do I have to say it, it is not worldometers that is the problem.
Yes the so called cases have gone up and so have the Deaths, in fact there seems to be very little time lag. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 17:36]
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It is the same in that data too.
Deaths plummet over the last week or so, three weeks before that (to allow for cases to become deaths) infections were rising significantly. Is it because very few people died in spite of the increased cases? Obviously not, unless they have found a miracle cure. Its because they haven't recorded all of the deaths yet.
Reports are consistently stating that deaths are rocketing in Sweden, even the King has apologised. That data doesn't show it for the last week, but it does previous to that. There is obviously a delay in recording.
So it looks like the Prof was correct.
Edit. https://ourworldindata.org/cov
I am too. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 18:19]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:16 - Dec 20 with 1101 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:57 - Dec 20 by Groo |
Deaths per 1 million population associated to COVID (Population).
Sweden: ______789_______(10,128,783)
Swedens neighbours.
Norway:_______74_______(5,441,086)
Finland: _______88_______(5,544,769)
Denmark: _____178_______(5,801,783)
Estonia: _______131_______(1,326,955)
Latvia:_________234_______(1,876,296)
Lithuania : _____377_______(2,704,217)
Poland:________671_______(37,827,071)
Germany:______316_______(83,909,818)
The make-up of Sweden is closer to Norway and Finland. |
ffs mun, Denmark and Norway are far smaller countries than Sweden with far lower populations, they locked down causing immense damage to there economy and the loss of thousands of jobs, they were unable to carry out normal medical procedures due to the severity of there lock downs meaning thousands will lose there lives due to not being diagnosed in time, oh and by the way Sweden again only recorded 20 deaths yesterday, also please try to learn that 5000 of the Swedish deaths occurred last March due to a cock up in the care homes, but since they got that under control have recorded just 2000 in over seven months they never locked down have also implemented far fewer restrictions than other countries so were able to continue normal medical procedures saving thousands of lives, hope all of those statistics register in your mindset but that is highly unlikely i suppose. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:29 - Dec 20 with 1090 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:13 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
It is the same in that data too.
Deaths plummet over the last week or so, three weeks before that (to allow for cases to become deaths) infections were rising significantly. Is it because very few people died in spite of the increased cases? Obviously not, unless they have found a miracle cure. Its because they haven't recorded all of the deaths yet.
Reports are consistently stating that deaths are rocketing in Sweden, even the King has apologised. That data doesn't show it for the last week, but it does previous to that. There is obviously a delay in recording.
So it looks like the Prof was correct.
Edit. https://ourworldindata.org/cov
I am too. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 18:19]
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Mr speculation man is off looking for explanations on why the Swedish death rate is so low, wrong data, back log delays, conspiracy theories,wonder what reason you will come up with next, and now even the Swedish actress Rebecca Ferguson and other Swedish celebs are coming out and questioning why the UK media keep reporting on high death tolls in there country when that is simply not the case. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:34 - Dec 20 with 1085 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:16 - Dec 20 by shingle |
ffs mun, Denmark and Norway are far smaller countries than Sweden with far lower populations, they locked down causing immense damage to there economy and the loss of thousands of jobs, they were unable to carry out normal medical procedures due to the severity of there lock downs meaning thousands will lose there lives due to not being diagnosed in time, oh and by the way Sweden again only recorded 20 deaths yesterday, also please try to learn that 5000 of the Swedish deaths occurred last March due to a cock up in the care homes, but since they got that under control have recorded just 2000 in over seven months they never locked down have also implemented far fewer restrictions than other countries so were able to continue normal medical procedures saving thousands of lives, hope all of those statistics register in your mindset but that is highly unlikely i suppose. |
Eh?
I said Finland and Norway are more similar to Sweden, not Denmark. Denmark was listed because I included the figures of all Countries with boundaries to Sweden, some over water.
If you looked at the data, I included the population of each Country and the death rate per million population.
The size of Country, Sweden, Norway and Finland are similar.
Sweden 450,295 km2
Norway 385,207 km2
Finland 338,455 km2
Sweden has twice the population.
Total death toll, Sweden has a death toll 10 times higher than Norway and Finland.
You would expect the death rate per million to be similar with all things equal. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:37 - Dec 20 with 1078 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:34 - Dec 20 by Groo |
Eh?
I said Finland and Norway are more similar to Sweden, not Denmark. Denmark was listed because I included the figures of all Countries with boundaries to Sweden, some over water.
If you looked at the data, I included the population of each Country and the death rate per million population.
The size of Country, Sweden, Norway and Finland are similar.
Sweden 450,295 km2
Norway 385,207 km2
Finland 338,455 km2
Sweden has twice the population.
Total death toll, Sweden has a death toll 10 times higher than Norway and Finland.
You would expect the death rate per million to be similar with all things equal. |
Sorry mate your numbers are wrong for Sweden, your original number was correct.
it is just over 10million. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:39 - Dec 20 with 1075 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:29 - Dec 20 by shingle |
Mr speculation man is off looking for explanations on why the Swedish death rate is so low, wrong data, back log delays, conspiracy theories,wonder what reason you will come up with next, and now even the Swedish actress Rebecca Ferguson and other Swedish celebs are coming out and questioning why the UK media keep reporting on high death tolls in there country when that is simply not the case. |
Well my "speculation" is pretty accurate.
Nobody is making these death figures up, they are reported by the Swedish government. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:41 - Dec 20 with 1073 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:13 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
It is the same in that data too.
Deaths plummet over the last week or so, three weeks before that (to allow for cases to become deaths) infections were rising significantly. Is it because very few people died in spite of the increased cases? Obviously not, unless they have found a miracle cure. Its because they haven't recorded all of the deaths yet.
Reports are consistently stating that deaths are rocketing in Sweden, even the King has apologised. That data doesn't show it for the last week, but it does previous to that. There is obviously a delay in recording.
So it looks like the Prof was correct.
Edit. https://ourworldindata.org/cov
I am too. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 18:19]
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No, you and prof are not right.
Because there is no actual official data to back you up.
It may be corrected later, but as of today, days after prof said it, there still hasn't been 100 deaths per day. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:42 - Dec 20 with 1068 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:39 - Dec 20 by Scotia |
Well my "speculation" is pretty accurate.
Nobody is making these death figures up, they are reported by the Swedish government. |
Where? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 20 with 1064 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:16 - Dec 20 by shingle |
ffs mun, Denmark and Norway are far smaller countries than Sweden with far lower populations, they locked down causing immense damage to there economy and the loss of thousands of jobs, they were unable to carry out normal medical procedures due to the severity of there lock downs meaning thousands will lose there lives due to not being diagnosed in time, oh and by the way Sweden again only recorded 20 deaths yesterday, also please try to learn that 5000 of the Swedish deaths occurred last March due to a cock up in the care homes, but since they got that under control have recorded just 2000 in over seven months they never locked down have also implemented far fewer restrictions than other countries so were able to continue normal medical procedures saving thousands of lives, hope all of those statistics register in your mindset but that is highly unlikely i suppose. |
and talking of Denmark, Denmark size is 42,933 km2, about a 10th the size of Sweden with a similar population to Norway and Finland, their deaths per million was only 178 compared to Sweden's 789.
Sweden's death rate per million is massive compared to its neighbours and more than Countries which are more densly populated. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 20 with 1063 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:16 - Dec 20 by shingle |
ffs mun, Denmark and Norway are far smaller countries than Sweden with far lower populations, they locked down causing immense damage to there economy and the loss of thousands of jobs, they were unable to carry out normal medical procedures due to the severity of there lock downs meaning thousands will lose there lives due to not being diagnosed in time, oh and by the way Sweden again only recorded 20 deaths yesterday, also please try to learn that 5000 of the Swedish deaths occurred last March due to a cock up in the care homes, but since they got that under control have recorded just 2000 in over seven months they never locked down have also implemented far fewer restrictions than other countries so were able to continue normal medical procedures saving thousands of lives, hope all of those statistics register in your mindset but that is highly unlikely i suppose. |
What we really need here then, for a fair comparison, is the annual death rates from all other causes besides covid so we can see what's going on.
Otherwise we will still be arguing over it and the effects on everything else long after it's gone back to whatever normal will be from now on. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:47 - Dec 20 with 1062 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:37 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry mate your numbers are wrong for Sweden, your original number was correct.
it is just over 10million. |
Are you saying I think the population of swedfen is 450,295 km2??
I know the population of Swedeb is just over 10 million as my original post indicated.
Deaths per 1 million population associated to COVID (Population).
Sweden: ______789_______(10,128,783)
Swedens neighbours.
Norway:_______74_______(5,441,086)
Finland: _______88_______(5,544,769)
Denmark: _____178_______(5,801,783)
Estonia: _______131_______(1,326,955)
Latvia:_________234_______(1,876,296)
Lithuania : _____377_______(2,704,217)
Poland:________671_______(37,827,071)
Germany:______316_______(83,909,818) | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:54 - Dec 20 with 1043 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:41 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, you and prof are not right.
Because there is no actual official data to back you up.
It may be corrected later, but as of today, days after prof said it, there still hasn't been 100 deaths per day. |
I must say you relying on official data is a good one.
I'm referring to the lag in recording deaths dramatically under recording daily deaths. You didn't acknowledge it. It is almost certain, based on levels of infection 3 weeks ago, that more than 100 people are dying a day now.
Bookmark this and look at the figures again in a week or two. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:59 - Dec 20 with 1035 views | Scotia |
No, not there. As I explained earlier. | | | |
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