| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33387 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:53 - Dec 21 with 1673 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:15 - Dec 20 by Professor |
There are data sources not open to the general public. The current and projected death rate of Sweden is what I said. Don’t have to justify to you lot. Just say I have a source. |
The legend in ones own mind type of source.  | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:21 - Dec 21 with 1650 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:03 - Dec 21 by Catullus |
This isn't an implication of brexit though, it's an implication of the pandemic. This has absolutely nothing to do with brexit.
If we have a deal or if we go WTO the French wouldn't stop travel like this. And as Bojo pointed out the brexit preparations kicked in so there's only 170 lorries waiting to travel most of whom are foreign lorries returning to their countries and 80% of food/medicines etc is still getting through. Retailers say they have plenty of food.
There is nothing to panic about. |
I was mainly thinking about the potential impact of additional customs checks and, most importantly, potential industrial action by the French fishermen if they no longer have access to UK waters.
They could easily blockade Calais for 48 hours or more. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:29 - Dec 21 with 1642 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:34 - Dec 20 by Groo |
Eh?
I said Finland and Norway are more similar to Sweden, not Denmark. Denmark was listed because I included the figures of all Countries with boundaries to Sweden, some over water.
If you looked at the data, I included the population of each Country and the death rate per million population.
The size of Country, Sweden, Norway and Finland are similar.
Sweden 450,295 km2
Norway 385,207 km2
Finland 338,455 km2
Sweden has twice the population.
Total death toll, Sweden has a death toll 10 times higher than Norway and Finland.
You would expect the death rate per million to be similar with all things equal. |
Your clueless mate, no matter how many times people explain to you about the 5000 Swedish care home deaths which caused the bulk of there deaths back in March and thankfully they sorted out, the fact they never locked down, and have saved thousands of jobs, continued normal medical care saving thousands of lives in the process, the countries you keep showing us on your silly charts did lock down and never continued normal medical procedures meaning a loss of thousands of lives, now sit back and just take that in ffs, as all that just seems to sail straight over your head,, and even up to today despite the covid being rampant everywhere Sweden are still having low daily death numbers which has been the case for the last 8 months however you say nothing about these facts except the data is wrong and there lies etc , and you just keep keep putting up these silly charts which you scroll around the internet for, facts are Sweden despite never locking down have had less than 2000 deaths in 8 months since they rectified the care home problem, cant wait for your next chart mind you.  [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 19:30]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:33 - Dec 21 with 1631 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:49 - Dec 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, but I cannot agree about your example.
Provided the Doctor, regardless of speciality understands how to conduct Clinical trials, the results of the trials have just as much legality as if conducted by a viroligist.
There are some cases which prove this and the Oxford trial on HCQ is one of them, the Virologists and Immunologists constructed a totally unsuitable Clinical Study whereby they did not test it in combination with other drugs & Zinc as recommended by practically all the doctors who have previously tested it.
On top of that they did not give the treatment at the right time and gave a Dangerously high dose of 6 times the UK recommended safe maximum.
The WHO and Brazillian studies did the same.
How you can think that is preferable to a Gastroenterologist doing everything correctly and getting a result I do not understand. |
A full clinical trial would be fine, there would be checks and balances throughout and ultimately peer review. But in the case of the gastroenterologist in Australia that isn't why happened, he told the world that there was a miracle cure, and there isn't.
And just consider at the anti lockdown and false positive cranks that frequently post on social media and appear on talk sport. There's barely a suitable qualification between them. I'm not going to believe a pharmacologist telling me that the pandemic ended in early summer when the vast majority of immulogists, virologist, medical Dr's and hospital stats are saying otherwise.
It reminds me a bit of the old BT advert with the gran praising her grandson for getting an "ology" and becoming a scientist, when it was actually something like sociology.
Some people are really enjoying the limelight of this pandemic and it's dangerous. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 23:55 - Dec 21 with 1581 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:29 - Dec 21 by shingle |
Your clueless mate, no matter how many times people explain to you about the 5000 Swedish care home deaths which caused the bulk of there deaths back in March and thankfully they sorted out, the fact they never locked down, and have saved thousands of jobs, continued normal medical care saving thousands of lives in the process, the countries you keep showing us on your silly charts did lock down and never continued normal medical procedures meaning a loss of thousands of lives, now sit back and just take that in ffs, as all that just seems to sail straight over your head,, and even up to today despite the covid being rampant everywhere Sweden are still having low daily death numbers which has been the case for the last 8 months however you say nothing about these facts except the data is wrong and there lies etc , and you just keep keep putting up these silly charts which you scroll around the internet for, facts are Sweden despite never locking down have had less than 2000 deaths in 8 months since they rectified the care home problem, cant wait for your next chart mind you. [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 19:30]
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wow, insults now eh.
So you know more than, lets say, the King of Sweden, who's appologised to his people for their response which has led to many deaths.
So lets remove the care home deaths, how about removing the care home deaths from every Country, I know my Country has loads of them, mainly because the most deaths were the old aged who live in care homes.
Swedish deaths flattened out, just like all other Countries between waves.
Lets look at some other figures, deaths since Nov 1.
Norway 122, thats 22 deaths per million population
Finland 131, thats 23 deaths per million population
Sweden 1968, thats 194 deaths per population.
Compared to the rest of the World, Finland and Norway are outside the top 100 Countries for deaths per million. Even though Sweden has twice the population of both these Countries you'd expect them to be in the same ball park of death per million due to the large land mass and sparce population.
Instead they sit at #25. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 09:27 - Dec 22 with 1543 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:29 - Dec 21 by shingle |
Your clueless mate, no matter how many times people explain to you about the 5000 Swedish care home deaths which caused the bulk of there deaths back in March and thankfully they sorted out, the fact they never locked down, and have saved thousands of jobs, continued normal medical care saving thousands of lives in the process, the countries you keep showing us on your silly charts did lock down and never continued normal medical procedures meaning a loss of thousands of lives, now sit back and just take that in ffs, as all that just seems to sail straight over your head,, and even up to today despite the covid being rampant everywhere Sweden are still having low daily death numbers which has been the case for the last 8 months however you say nothing about these facts except the data is wrong and there lies etc , and you just keep keep putting up these silly charts which you scroll around the internet for, facts are Sweden despite never locking down have had less than 2000 deaths in 8 months since they rectified the care home problem, cant wait for your next chart mind you. [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 19:30]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 09:47 - Dec 22 with 1534 views | Catullus |
Hey Neathie, these lockdown deniers want to keep their right to get ill and to transmit the virus to family and friends and even strangers possibly killing some.
The right of others to be safe doesn't seem to be high on their priorities list. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 10:03 - Dec 22 with 1532 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 09:47 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
Hey Neathie, these lockdown deniers want to keep their right to get ill and to transmit the virus to family and friends and even strangers possibly killing some.
The right of others to be safe doesn't seem to be high on their priorities list. |
Some strange attitudes out there mate.
If it was only their own lives they were endangering, i'd say let them carry on, but it's not. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:04 - Dec 22 with 1506 views | Catullus |
Right, who saw the BBC Wales lunchtime news?
Did you see Morriston hospital and the Consultant in charge of ICU/emergency wards, Mr McNab?
Did you see the footage staff filmed on ward J?
Does anyone still want to say wards are empty? Does anyone still want to say this is exaggerated?
Did everyone hear him say that for 4 of the last 10 days they didn't consider the hospital a safe place to treat people but, there was nowhere else? I take that to mean no other hospitals had empty wards to move people to...
Well.....anyone?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:16 - Dec 22 with 1498 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:04 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
Right, who saw the BBC Wales lunchtime news?
Did you see Morriston hospital and the Consultant in charge of ICU/emergency wards, Mr McNab?
Did you see the footage staff filmed on ward J?
Does anyone still want to say wards are empty? Does anyone still want to say this is exaggerated?
Did everyone hear him say that for 4 of the last 10 days they didn't consider the hospital a safe place to treat people but, there was nowhere else? I take that to mean no other hospitals had empty wards to move people to...
Well.....anyone?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- |
I'd love to know what this woman makes of it. Perhaps she'd like to show Mr McNab her placard?
https://www.lancs.live/news/la | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:46 - Dec 22 with 1493 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:16 - Dec 22 by Scotia |
I'd love to know what this woman makes of it. Perhaps she'd like to show Mr McNab her placard?
https://www.lancs.live/news/la |
Ribble view care home has been placed in special measures too. Maybe she should have worried more about her job, when she had it. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:46 - Dec 22 with 1493 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 10:03 - Dec 22 by Neath_Jack |
Some strange attitudes out there mate.
If it was only their own lives they were endangering, i'd say let them carry on, but it's not. |
Thats what annoys me, my freedom to choose bollox.
Wearing a mask itself is just one thing to combat the spread, it has to be part of a package but some people think they are above everyone else and can act as they wish.
The whole reason we end up with lockdowns is because people will not do what is safe.
If everyone wore a mask, everyone kept distance, everyone avoided group gatherings, everyone not travel, everyone keep basic hygene and washed hands regular etc, then the virus would be beat and the pain would be a lot less.
Trouble is there are far too many that flout the rules and help the spread.
It doesn't help when those very people who are responsible for the Countries health do not lead by example and flout it themselves on the flimsiest of excuses. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:20 - Dec 22 with 1478 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:46 - Dec 22 by Groo |
Thats what annoys me, my freedom to choose bollox.
Wearing a mask itself is just one thing to combat the spread, it has to be part of a package but some people think they are above everyone else and can act as they wish.
The whole reason we end up with lockdowns is because people will not do what is safe.
If everyone wore a mask, everyone kept distance, everyone avoided group gatherings, everyone not travel, everyone keep basic hygene and washed hands regular etc, then the virus would be beat and the pain would be a lot less.
Trouble is there are far too many that flout the rules and help the spread.
It doesn't help when those very people who are responsible for the Countries health do not lead by example and flout it themselves on the flimsiest of excuses. |
I've heard today of someone who developed a very nasty cough. His Gran (who he spends a lot of time with) also developed symptoms and tested positive, meaning he likely passed it on to or caught Covid from her.
He refused to get a test as his gran was getting a phone call from track and trace everyday to check she was isolating and he didn't want to self isolate or risk testing positive so he was checked up on too. He wanted to carry on seeing a girl he just met on Tinder, so he carried on as normal - working in a shop, going to pubs the lot.
As shocking as this is - I know it is completely true. What hope have we got with tw*ts like this around the place? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:25 - Dec 22 with 1467 views | Highjack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:46 - Dec 22 by Groo |
Thats what annoys me, my freedom to choose bollox.
Wearing a mask itself is just one thing to combat the spread, it has to be part of a package but some people think they are above everyone else and can act as they wish.
The whole reason we end up with lockdowns is because people will not do what is safe.
If everyone wore a mask, everyone kept distance, everyone avoided group gatherings, everyone not travel, everyone keep basic hygene and washed hands regular etc, then the virus would be beat and the pain would be a lot less.
Trouble is there are far too many that flout the rules and help the spread.
It doesn't help when those very people who are responsible for the Countries health do not lead by example and flout it themselves on the flimsiest of excuses. |
If people aren’t doing what’s safe then the authorities should enforce the rules. None of this has been enforced since day one. We are supposedly in lockdown now but millions are cramming into supermarkets all over the country. How many of these trips are “essential”? Hardly any. Their houses are probably already rammed to the brim with food and bog roll. If you’re out with a valid excuse you should be arrested and fined. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:32 - Dec 22 with 1468 views | controversial_jack |
Mrs CJ, has been off for a while, and started back recently.She said, her ward is totally full and the patients seem sicker than during the first wave. For this reason alone, I will report anyone i know of who is breaking the regs and endangering others | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:37 - Dec 22 with 1466 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 14:04 - Dec 22 by Catullus |
Right, who saw the BBC Wales lunchtime news?
Did you see Morriston hospital and the Consultant in charge of ICU/emergency wards, Mr McNab?
Did you see the footage staff filmed on ward J?
Does anyone still want to say wards are empty? Does anyone still want to say this is exaggerated?
Did everyone hear him say that for 4 of the last 10 days they didn't consider the hospital a safe place to treat people but, there was nowhere else? I take that to mean no other hospitals had empty wards to move people to...
Well.....anyone?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- |
I know I keep banging on about this.
"Did everyone hear him say that for 4 of the last 10 days they didn't consider the hospital a safe place to treat people but, there was nowhere else?"
Why?
Answer - mixing COVID-19 Patients and their care with General Patients and their care in the same bloody hospital.
It has now been 9 months and these so called professionals still haven't managed to work out that it is WRONG, STUPID & bordering on CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.
And yes I am SHOUTING.
Basic Quarantine & Isolation Techniques for Infectious Deseases years 1900 and onwards. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:06 - Dec 22 with 1456 views | Andy1300 |
Take a look at the ‘health impact events figure and what they encompass - see below
unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional
Multiply the figures for the whole of the U.K., quite scary really
Why is this not on the MSM?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/a [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 19:05]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:41 - Dec 22 with 1435 views | Catullus |
In another sign the world has been conned Swansea Bay health Board has cancelled all nurses leave over Christmas.
With so many wards apparently being empty you have to wonder why? I know why, it's not just the governments, all thr NHS are in on the conspiracy too and the nurses are happy to give up their Christmases to keep the scam going.
OR, it is because with so many patients in hospital and so many staff of sick they are down to the bare bones and cannot afford to let people have the time off. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:01 - Dec 22 with 1422 views | jack2jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:37 - Dec 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know I keep banging on about this.
"Did everyone hear him say that for 4 of the last 10 days they didn't consider the hospital a safe place to treat people but, there was nowhere else?"
Why?
Answer - mixing COVID-19 Patients and their care with General Patients and their care in the same bloody hospital.
It has now been 9 months and these so called professionals still haven't managed to work out that it is WRONG, STUPID & bordering on CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.
And yes I am SHOUTING.
Basic Quarantine & Isolation Techniques for Infectious Deseases years 1900 and onwards. |
Correct me if I'm wrong here,but are you saying that the IC units are treating both general an covid patients in the same ward. That cant be right surely, where is the evidence of that,just asking.TIA. |  | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:16 - Dec 22 with 1416 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:01 - Dec 22 by jack2jack |
Correct me if I'm wrong here,but are you saying that the IC units are treating both general an covid patients in the same ward. That cant be right surely, where is the evidence of that,just asking.TIA. |
No, just the same hospital.
The affect of that is the general patients are not getting the services that they require, some due to fear, some due to lack of Docs and nurses.
If the IC units are full of COVID patients where do the general patients go when they need ICU?
However it appears that wards do become mixed with general and covid patients, otherwise why do so many people (16%-20%) catch covid in hospital?
Are you old enough to remember Isolation hospitals?
The hospital on hospital road in Garngoch used to be one. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:20 - Dec 22 with 1415 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 23:55 - Dec 21 by Groo |
wow, insults now eh.
So you know more than, lets say, the King of Sweden, who's appologised to his people for their response which has led to many deaths.
So lets remove the care home deaths, how about removing the care home deaths from every Country, I know my Country has loads of them, mainly because the most deaths were the old aged who live in care homes.
Swedish deaths flattened out, just like all other Countries between waves.
Lets look at some other figures, deaths since Nov 1.
Norway 122, thats 22 deaths per million population
Finland 131, thats 23 deaths per million population
Sweden 1968, thats 194 deaths per population.
Compared to the rest of the World, Finland and Norway are outside the top 100 Countries for deaths per million. Even though Sweden has twice the population of both these Countries you'd expect them to be in the same ball park of death per million due to the large land mass and sparce population.
Instead they sit at #25. |
Today`s new Worldometers latest,
UK 700 Deaths
Italy 600
Germany 500
Poland 300
Sweden 23.
So much for all of your charts, you really are off your head pal. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:24 - Dec 22 with 1409 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:20 - Dec 22 by shingle |
Today`s new Worldometers latest,
UK 700 Deaths
Italy 600
Germany 500
Poland 300
Sweden 23.
So much for all of your charts, you really are off your head pal. |
For ease of reference. Again.
https://ourworldindata.org/cov
The Prof is absolutely correct. Look back at those deaths in the new year. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:29 - Dec 22 with 1406 views | shingle |
Wow the Newstatesman, just go on the official and real Worldometers site and look at todays death rates
UK 700
Italy 600
Germany 500
Poland 300
Sweden the country that never locked down 23
and you tell me to give it up and then go and quote the Newstatesman what a plonker. what part off 23 deaths compared to 700 can you not understand. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:32 - Dec 22 with 1402 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:39 - Dec 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
Thanks for the link, it is most interesting.
The first paper on this new strain is also very interesting.
None of the 3 main changes have NOT been seen before, but the difference is that all 3 have occurred in one strain rather than one at a time as has been seen before.
The points of interest are that they seem to be related to those with immune deficiency who have had very serious infections for some time combined with Plasma treatment.
It is almost as if the Plasma treatment plus time has facilitated the mutations in one host. |
To emphasise the huge effort of UK genome sequencing. We undertake 50% of sequencing in the world.
Public health Wales did more last week than France has done since the pandemic began.
There's a very strong chance that the mutation was imported from elsewhere but discovered by us, this has saved many lives.
Our scientific community is rightly the envy of the world. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:37 - Dec 22 with 1399 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:24 - Dec 22 by Scotia |
For ease of reference. Again.
https://ourworldindata.org/cov
The Prof is absolutely correct. Look back at those deaths in the new year. |
Where not talking about 10 day`s are we, the death rates have been low for 8 months we will see if they shoot up in the new year, but you lot have been saying about the on coming doom and gloom in Sweden and grasping false figures from these bias media outlets for god knows how long now, yet day after day there death rates rarely go above 20 or so. [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 18:39]
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