| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33373 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:54 - Dec 18 with 1216 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:49 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Otherwise their deaths since November are falling substantially while cases are rising substantially. It doesn't look comparable to me. Very few countries can be compared to each other, for example we count all deaths within 28 days of a positive test and we have the highest testing ratio per capita in Europe.
Sweden aren't in a good place. In fact seem to be in a worse place than us. |
" for example we count all deaths within 28 days of a positive test"
Regardless of what they die from? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:03 - Dec 18 with 1207 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:49 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Otherwise their deaths since November are falling substantially while cases are rising substantially. It doesn't look comparable to me. Very few countries can be compared to each other, for example we count all deaths within 28 days of a positive test and we have the highest testing ratio per capita in Europe.
Sweden aren't in a good place. In fact seem to be in a worse place than us. |
A worse place than Wales? I feel really sorry for them then. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:23 - Dec 18 with 1196 views | Dr_Winston |
Where are Sweden in terms of the expected death rate for the year?
If they're well in excess then they've cocked up. If it's broadly similar then they've probably done quite well. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:33 - Dec 18 with 1185 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:49 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Otherwise their deaths since November are falling substantially while cases are rising substantially. It doesn't look comparable to me. Very few countries can be compared to each other, for example we count all deaths within 28 days of a positive test and we have the highest testing ratio per capita in Europe.
Sweden aren't in a good place. In fact seem to be in a worse place than us. |
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I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Where is your proof? |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:51 - Dec 18 with 1173 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:33 - Dec 18 by Andy1300 |
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I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Where is your proof? |
Just look at the infections v deaths. They've either discovered a miracle cure in the last three weeks or haven't recorded deaths yet.
Example, yesterday 10000 infections recorded and 2 deaths. Mid November 6000 infections and about 70 deaths. [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 21:55]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:54 - Dec 18 with 1169 views | Jack123 |
This article dated 2018 from the Guardian,, basically saying the same thing as they are today.
https://amp.theguardian.com/so
They really must think we have short memories. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:57 - Dec 18 with 1164 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:54 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
This article dated 2018 from the Guardian,, basically saying the same thing as they are today.
https://amp.theguardian.com/so
They really must think we have short memories. |
Imagine that plus covid. That's where we're heading. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:03 - Dec 18 with 1158 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:03 - Dec 18 by Catullus |
A worse place than Wales? I feel really sorry for them then. |
Perhaps not as bad as Wales but possibly a higher death rate per capita than the UK. | | | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:09 - Dec 18 with 1152 views | Groo |
Sweden has been a disaster, their death rate is around 10 times that of their immediate neighbours in deaths per million population.
They have changed to lockdowns and are now mandating masks.
Yes, Sweden got it massively wrong. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:13 - Dec 18 with 1150 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:57 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Imagine that plus covid. That's where we're heading. |
I doubt it!
And if did turn out that way, heads need to roll for mismanagement of the NHS for a long time, how much have they wasted on useless apps and track and trace, they need to be held accountable, from the top, all the way down. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:20 - Dec 18 with 1138 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:13 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
I doubt it!
And if did turn out that way, heads need to roll for mismanagement of the NHS for a long time, how much have they wasted on useless apps and track and trace, they need to be held accountable, from the top, all the way down. |
Covid is a new virus. It's only been around a year. This is on top of other winter illness, hopefully there'll be less flu around but that's the only difference.
The NHS didn't waste money on that stuff, it was Boris. The NHS have been underfunded for years. No amount of money would make difference now anyway, we haven't got enough Dr's and nurses and you're talking 7 years and 3 years training respectively. Our only option at the moment is lockdown. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:25 - Dec 18 with 1134 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:20 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Covid is a new virus. It's only been around a year. This is on top of other winter illness, hopefully there'll be less flu around but that's the only difference.
The NHS didn't waste money on that stuff, it was Boris. The NHS have been underfunded for years. No amount of money would make difference now anyway, we haven't got enough Dr's and nurses and you're talking 7 years and 3 years training respectively. Our only option at the moment is lockdown. |
That's fair enough, can I ask you a question though, do you think there will be a day in 2021, and you think hold on this has gone on for long enough? What time do you think it all should be back to normal, and if it doesn't will you start questioning it? | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:28 - Dec 18 with 1130 views | Groo |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:25 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
That's fair enough, can I ask you a question though, do you think there will be a day in 2021, and you think hold on this has gone on for long enough? What time do you think it all should be back to normal, and if it doesn't will you start questioning it? |
In my view, once the vaccine has been rolled out.
Some people will refuse it, its up to them, those that want protection will have the vaccine. Then it would be seen how effective it is. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:49 - Dec 18 with 1111 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:25 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
That's fair enough, can I ask you a question though, do you think there will be a day in 2021, and you think hold on this has gone on for long enough? What time do you think it all should be back to normal, and if it doesn't will you start questioning it? |
Assuming the vaccine is successful and rolled out soon, I'd like to think by the end of March /April we could be back to some sort of normality.
Once older people stop dying of covid (the average age of covid death is 81) and there are less people getting ill then I don't think there's a justification for too many restrictions.
What I don't want to see is restrictions to stop people who are extremely unlikely to die getting infected or to try and totally eliminate illness, so long as the NHS can cope. Otherwise we're in this situation for ages, we have to take a bit of a risk. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:49 - Dec 18 with 1110 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:28 - Dec 18 by Groo |
In my view, once the vaccine has been rolled out.
Some people will refuse it, its up to them, those that want protection will have the vaccine. Then it would be seen how effective it is. |
I can't see this ending well, they are already saying once a person has the full quota of the vaccine, that you still have to wear a mask, and social distance.. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:53 - Dec 18 with 1105 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:25 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
That's fair enough, can I ask you a question though, do you think there will be a day in 2021, and you think hold on this has gone on for long enough? What time do you think it all should be back to normal, and if it doesn't will you start questioning it? |
Is that really a valid question? You cn hardly say to a virus, right, you can flock off now, I've had enough. Or I suppose you can ut the virus won't know any different.
Do you think a day might come when people close to you die and you might think, ah, maybe they were right?
We had brexit polarisation, then the General election and now it seems we're seeing a split again, those that accept the situation and advocate measures to try and get on top of the virus and those who want to deny it, call it a hoax or say we are over reacting? There's a small bit of middle ground but not much. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:56 - Dec 18 with 1105 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:57 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Imagine that plus covid. That's where we're heading. |
Not necessarily, the COVID are instead of Pneumonia, Flu & other chest infections.
Which have shown a reduction. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:56 - Dec 18 with 1104 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:49 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Assuming the vaccine is successful and rolled out soon, I'd like to think by the end of March /April we could be back to some sort of normality.
Once older people stop dying of covid (the average age of covid death is 81) and there are less people getting ill then I don't think there's a justification for too many restrictions.
What I don't want to see is restrictions to stop people who are extremely unlikely to die getting infected or to try and totally eliminate illness, so long as the NHS can cope. Otherwise we're in this situation for ages, we have to take a bit of a risk. |
Guaranteed we will, IMO at the moment we are experiencing normal respiratory deaths, flu pneumonia, and so on..
So come late Feb, even early Feb it will decline, then we should have peace, unless they want to put another twister on it, like Hanjob has already mentioned the virus has mutated, but IMO it would have gone anyway, be interesting the cases come March, I bet you they will be way down. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 23:31 - Dec 18 with 1079 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:53 - Dec 18 by Catullus |
Is that really a valid question? You cn hardly say to a virus, right, you can flock off now, I've had enough. Or I suppose you can ut the virus won't know any different.
Do you think a day might come when people close to you die and you might think, ah, maybe they were right?
We had brexit polarisation, then the General election and now it seems we're seeing a split again, those that accept the situation and advocate measures to try and get on top of the virus and those who want to deny it, call it a hoax or say we are over reacting? There's a small bit of middle ground but not much. |
Do you think a day might come when people close to you die? and you might think ah maybe they were right?
NO, And right about what exactly, I mean the ones in charge are not doing very well with this are they, so how come I would ever think that.
And just to add, I keep to the rules makes no real odds to me, I doubt I have broken any kind of governance since day 1, still dislike the rules though, and see them for the POS they are.
I read a story earlier today, and these are my feelings, it was along the lines of my uncle died after shielding since the start, he died of a heart attack, he has lost 9 months of life,!!
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:24 - Dec 19 with 1005 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 23:31 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
Do you think a day might come when people close to you die? and you might think ah maybe they were right?
NO, And right about what exactly, I mean the ones in charge are not doing very well with this are they, so how come I would ever think that.
And just to add, I keep to the rules makes no real odds to me, I doubt I have broken any kind of governance since day 1, still dislike the rules though, and see them for the POS they are.
I read a story earlier today, and these are my feelings, it was along the lines of my uncle died after shielding since the start, he died of a heart attack, he has lost 9 months of life,!!
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So people around you could die of covid and that'd be ok?
I have a story too but not from the news, a personal story of a friend. She was NHS. She and her husband had struggled for years to have children, I remember taking my wife and our son to see her and the look of joy on her face for our good news. They finally managed to have a baby now what, 7 years old. His mum Julianne aged 49 taken by covid. In your story he lost 9 months of life but Julianne lost who knows how many years and her young son has lost his mother. She was a truly lovely woman.
I have a link, scroll down, past the other victims who also lost time, potentially many years
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:25 - Dec 19 with 1005 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 21:57 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Imagine that plus covid. That's where we're heading. |
Look at flu deaths etc etc, where are they? Oh hang on, all been replaced by covid! | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:27 - Dec 19 with 1001 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 22:20 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
Covid is a new virus. It's only been around a year. This is on top of other winter illness, hopefully there'll be less flu around but that's the only difference.
The NHS didn't waste money on that stuff, it was Boris. The NHS have been underfunded for years. No amount of money would make difference now anyway, we haven't got enough Dr's and nurses and you're talking 7 years and 3 years training respectively. Our only option at the moment is lockdown. |
Sorry, the nhs have wasted money for years.
They agree contracts that pay way over the odds for most things.
Too many managers on extortionate salaries too. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:37 - Dec 19 with 981 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:27 - Dec 19 by Andy1300 |
Sorry, the nhs have wasted money for years.
They agree contracts that pay way over the odds for most things.
Too many managers on extortionate salaries too. |
I can agree with this, the NHS has been badly run. Devolution and breaking it up into seperate health boards in 4 different countries has made things worse.
How can it be right that I can walk into Asda or Tesco and pick up paracetamol for 30 pence but it'd cost the NHS several pounds?
The people that sign these contracts, what happens to them? Do they get promoted or do they leave for good jobs with corporate pharma? It is surely criminal that these contracts get signed? | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:44 - Dec 19 with 973 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:25 - Dec 19 by Andy1300 |
Look at flu deaths etc etc, where are they? Oh hang on, all been replaced by covid! |
The current measures of social distancing, washing hands, better hygiene around shops and the workplace, has massively reduced the spread of Flu. It is still out there, but nowhere near what it would be under normal circumstances. You don't part exchange it for Covid.
I'm sure there will be a Dai the milk, or a Darran of Plymouth saying differently mind. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:58 - Dec 19 with 960 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:44 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
The current measures of social distancing, washing hands, better hygiene around shops and the workplace, has massively reduced the spread of Flu. It is still out there, but nowhere near what it would be under normal circumstances. You don't part exchange it for Covid.
I'm sure there will be a Dai the milk, or a Darran of Plymouth saying differently mind. |
And apparently many more people have had the flu jab this year too, scared into it by covid maybe? | |
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