| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement 23:45 - Apr 18 with 2873 views | SwansIndependent |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:03 - Apr 19 with 766 views | britferry |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 19:50 - Apr 19 by Catullus |
How many big clubs does Germany have? I can't really criticise Bayern because
A, they are not involved with this ESL
B They sell tickets at vastly cheaper prices than the Premier league
C having said they're not involved they have a lot to lose with the Champions league being made defunct.
Whatever the tv disparity is elsewhere it doesn't affect me, what happens in the EPL has affected me. It's up to German fans to complain about their own structure. |
the ESL need Bayern involved.
And if the 6 traitors are allowed to continue in the PL, then just imagine if a team are away to Norwich on Sunday and Real Madrid away on the Weds, you can well imagine what kind of team goes over to Norwich | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:07 - Apr 19 with 757 views | monmouth |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:03 - Apr 19 by britferry |
the ESL need Bayern involved.
And if the 6 traitors are allowed to continue in the PL, then just imagine if a team are away to Norwich on Sunday and Real Madrid away on the Weds, you can well imagine what kind of team goes over to Norwich |
Would it though? In the ESL only a few would have any chance of winning it and there is nothing else. After a few games teams like Totty would have nothing to play for every season. The owners don’t care because they just want the money, but with no real dog teams, they become the dog teams. |  |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:08 - Apr 19 with 756 views | Catullus |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 19:46 - Apr 19 by britferry |
How exactly?
Ok they're businesses, so they can hit them with windfall taxes but they can't stop them doing business. They can make it difficult for them to trade (play matches) but if there's enough money, they'll get around it... look at the money that will be coming in to a city like Manchester |
There's probably a lot they can do actually. They can refuse work permits, They can impose windfall taxes and change the tax laws so players pay more tax on their massive earnings. That'd put a few off.
There's probably a fair bit more that somebody brighter than me can mention. | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:17 - Apr 19 with 726 views | onehunglow |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:08 - Apr 19 by Catullus |
There's probably a lot they can do actually. They can refuse work permits, They can impose windfall taxes and change the tax laws so players pay more tax on their massive earnings. That'd put a few off.
There's probably a fair bit more that somebody brighter than me can mention. |
Sure many fans would choke if they were told their heroes have an army of accountants and lawyers ,of course, to ensure they avoid tax at all costs.
Whilst they pay full whack | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:24 - Apr 19 with 714 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 19:13 - Apr 19 by monmouth |
EUFA saying they’ll boot the clubs out of European competitions on Friday. I’ll believe it when I see it. And government action and a fan led review on the German model. If it does happen and they bring the entire greed edifice down on their own heads, that would be sweet. |
That would leave only PSG in the Champions League 
If they ban players from the clubs from the Euros this summer I imagine the courts may be busy. Can you legally be banned from something because your employer does something beyond your control? |  |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:24 - Apr 19 with 708 views | Groo |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:08 - Apr 19 by Catullus |
There's probably a lot they can do actually. They can refuse work permits, They can impose windfall taxes and change the tax laws so players pay more tax on their massive earnings. That'd put a few off.
There's probably a fair bit more that somebody brighter than me can mention. |
You need a permit to play don't you? |  |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:40 - Apr 19 with 694 views | majorraglan |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:24 - Apr 19 by Joe_bradshaw |
That would leave only PSG in the Champions League
If they ban players from the clubs from the Euros this summer I imagine the courts may be busy. Can you legally be banned from something because your employer does something beyond your control? |
The national associations can decline to pick the players at the very least, there’d likely be no recourse against that. | | | |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 21:06 - Apr 19 with 673 views | jasper_T |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 20:17 - Apr 19 by onehunglow |
Sure many fans would choke if they were told their heroes have an army of accountants and lawyers ,of course, to ensure they avoid tax at all costs.
Whilst they pay full whack |
Players pay their tax. | | | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 01:01 - Apr 20 with 556 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 19:46 - Apr 19 by britferry |
How exactly?
Ok they're businesses, so they can hit them with windfall taxes but they can't stop them doing business. They can make it difficult for them to trade (play matches) but if there's enough money, they'll get around it... look at the money that will be coming in to a city like Manchester |
They mentioned several things they could do today. Competition laws will be an interesting angle.
Not sure what you mean by money coming into Manchester. What money? Lots of money going to the clubs, but neither is owned within the U.K. | | | |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 08:19 - Apr 20 with 495 views | onehunglow |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 21:06 - Apr 19 by jasper_T |
Players pay their tax. |
What tax and to whom. | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 08:33 - Apr 20 with 491 views | Dr_Winston |
Income tax and VAT to begin with.
Footballers earning £250,000 a week and spending ten months of the year in the UK will be paying shitloads of tax. Obviously they will be hiring people to minimise that amount, but they'll all still pay more tax in a year than most will in a lifetime. |  |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 09:00 - Apr 20 with 486 views | Thornburyswan |
Not going to happen for me & if they thought this was a ‘negotiation stance’ to significantly improve their EUFA/FIFA money it looks like back firing to me as it appears to have completely unified all the other parties (EUFA, PL, Fans & supporter groups, media, players past & present, managers, pundits etc etc) - very rare for that to happen.
Suspect we’ll either see a 12 club roll back or they’ll break ranks - interesting to see who breaks first & tries to grab some brownie points.
Update - rumour building that the Chavs have hit reverse & are out . . . . . & then there were 11! [Post edited 20 Apr 2021 18:56]
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 09:09 - Apr 20 with 481 views | onehunglow |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 01:01 - Apr 20 by londonlisa2001 |
They mentioned several things they could do today. Competition laws will be an interesting angle.
Not sure what you mean by money coming into Manchester. What money? Lots of money going to the clubs, but neither is owned within the U.K. |
Hotels/Bars/Restaurants/Taxis/Shops etc
Football Weekends in Manchester and Liverpool are a massive money spinner. Try booking a city break in mid season. Fans from all over the world too.
It's what should have happened in Swansea too,if the city had been marketed properly | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 09:50 - Apr 20 with 459 views | Joe_bradshaw |
The more I think about it banning players from the Euros sounds like a non starter to me. Quite simply the product on offer will be nowhere near what was expected when broadcast rights were bid for and when sponsorship was bid for. Will UEFA happily give those companies very large rebates which they will inevitably demand? I doubt it. UEFA and FIFA are two of the most corrupt bodies on the planet. Their gnashing of teeth over this isn’t about the beautiful game, it’s about losing control and hence, money.
Banning players who have had nothing to do with this move before they have taken part in the super league sounds very dodgy legally to me. | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 10:56 - Apr 20 with 432 views | Catullus |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 09:50 - Apr 20 by Joe_bradshaw |
The more I think about it banning players from the Euros sounds like a non starter to me. Quite simply the product on offer will be nowhere near what was expected when broadcast rights were bid for and when sponsorship was bid for. Will UEFA happily give those companies very large rebates which they will inevitably demand? I doubt it. UEFA and FIFA are two of the most corrupt bodies on the planet. Their gnashing of teeth over this isn’t about the beautiful game, it’s about losing control and hence, money.
Banning players who have had nothing to do with this move before they have taken part in the super league sounds very dodgy legally to me. |
The clubs have given notice that this is going to happen "as soon as is practicable" so FIFA and UEFA can launch sanctions as soon as is practicable. The lawyers will advise them.
Those international games will still happen, the fans in those countries will still watch. If countries refused to pick those players, or a load of players were injured the product wouldn't be the same either. This is a bot more extreme obviously.
UEFA and FIFA might do it because if they don't they lose control and money anyway, paying money back to tv companies in the short term is much better than losing the income permanently.
It depends on legalities obviously, are players contracts still valied to start with? Even if the authorities had to wait, as soon as a club played a weakened team in the EPL they can be punished under current rules and I don't think the other 14 clubs will be feeling generous either. Don't they need 14 votes to change rules? Yes, here you go, from the EPL website.....
Each individual club is independent, working within the rules of football, as defined by the Premier League, The FA, UEFA and FIFA, as well as being subject to English and European law.
Each of the 20 clubs are a Shareholder in the Premier League. Consultation is at the heart of the Premier League and Shareholder meetings are the ultimate decision-making forum for Premier League policy and are held at regular intervals during the course of the season.
The Premier League AGM takes place at the close of each season, at which time the relegated clubs transfer their shares to the clubs promoted into the Premier League from the Football League Championship.
Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at the Shareholder meeting. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major commercial contracts require the support of at least a two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs, to be agreed.
The Premier League Rule Book, contained within the Handbook (Download: Premier League Handbook; PDF 26.3MB), serves as a contract between the League, the Member Clubs and one another, defining the structure and running of the competition.
Any serious breach of the Rule Book results in an independent three-person tribunal sitting to hear the case, ascertain guilt and set the punishment, which can range from fines to points deductions and, in extreme cases, expulsion from the competition (this has never happened in the history of the Premier League).
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So doesn't playing a weakened team breach EPL rules AND the tv agreements? If the clubs have no intention of playing a weakened team that can only mean they are going to use the extra money to hoover up more of the good players at other clubs so they'll still be the top 6 in the EPL too. That cannot be allowed, the other clubs need to refuse to play them. | |
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 11:23 - Apr 20 with 418 views | jasper_T |
I'm sure many remember when John Arne Riise's payslip was posted up online. UK footballer's are employees who pay incredible sums into all the usual places at the highest tax rates. Most of the players involved in the infamous "image rights" loopholes in Spain ended up in front of a judge for tax evasion.
As employees in the UK they pay an incredible amount of tax compared to the average person. Acting like players are leeches who don't pay their fair share while profiting from the game right now is idiotic. Compared to owners and intermediaries they're saints. [Post edited 20 Apr 2021 11:24]
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| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 12:19 - Apr 20 with 399 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 08:33 - Apr 20 by Dr_Winston |
Income tax and VAT to begin with.
Footballers earning £250,000 a week and spending ten months of the year in the UK will be paying shitloads of tax. Obviously they will be hiring people to minimise that amount, but they'll all still pay more tax in a year than most will in a lifetime. |
That’s not additional money unless you assume that players will get large increases which will be classed as U.K. earnings for tax purposes .
Nor is there extra money from crowds. Old Trafford is full every week at the moment. There aren’t more people to fit inside or to visit for a game.
There are rumblings that Chelsea may pull out at the moment. And possibly Man City.
Chelsea in particular have an issue with the company (fan controlled) that owns the pitch and the name. If they say no, they’ll have nowhere to play and can’t compete as Chelsea Football Club. | | | |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 12:20 - Apr 20 with 398 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 09:09 - Apr 20 by onehunglow |
Hotels/Bars/Restaurants/Taxis/Shops etc
Football Weekends in Manchester and Liverpool are a massive money spinner. Try booking a city break in mid season. Fans from all over the world too.
It's what should have happened in Swansea too,if the city had been marketed properly |
None of that is additive.
They sell out every game anyway. | | | |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 13:55 - Apr 20 with 367 views | Dr_Winston |
| Massive changes ahead for European football and the super league announcement on 12:19 - Apr 20 by londonlisa2001 |
That’s not additional money unless you assume that players will get large increases which will be classed as U.K. earnings for tax purposes .
Nor is there extra money from crowds. Old Trafford is full every week at the moment. There aren’t more people to fit inside or to visit for a game.
There are rumblings that Chelsea may pull out at the moment. And possibly Man City.
Chelsea in particular have an issue with the company (fan controlled) that owns the pitch and the name. If they say no, they’ll have nowhere to play and can’t compete as Chelsea Football Club. |
Not claiming it was. You appear to have missed the post I was responding to. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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