| Netherlands 22:01 - Jul 9 with 4013 views | controversial_jack |
Many restrictions are back. Nightclubs to close. Everything else to close at midnight.No big gatherings or festivals. No BBQs with the neighbours etc
The big opening back up lasted about 3 weeks.I wonder if at some stage Pile em up Johnson will have to do the same? |  | | |  |
| Netherlands on 11:21 - Jul 10 with 1078 views | pencoedjack |
| Netherlands on 11:03 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
That will never happen. All adults have been offered their vaccination but only 86.8% have taken up the offer. Possibly another 2 to 3% have an appointment shortly but the other 10% include NHS workers, care home workers and antivaxers who think they are safer being unvaccinated.
The 86.8% of adults who have had their first vaccine are no longer prepared to spend their lives in lockdown because of the selfish 10%.
There is also a reluctance in getting under 30s to book their appointment hence we are only vaccinating 250,000 per day compared to 500,000 a few weeks ago. |
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For the record only 55% of Dutch people have had their 1st vaccine, being part of the bureaucratic EU slows these things up.
Time to get our great country moving again. [Post edited 10 Jul 2021 11:41]
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| Netherlands on 11:28 - Jul 10 with 1051 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Netherlands on 11:03 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
That will never happen. All adults have been offered their vaccination but only 86.8% have taken up the offer. Possibly another 2 to 3% have an appointment shortly but the other 10% include NHS workers, care home workers and antivaxers who think they are safer being unvaccinated.
The 86.8% of adults who have had their first vaccine are no longer prepared to spend their lives in lockdown because of the selfish 10%.
There is also a reluctance in getting under 30s to book their appointment hence we are only vaccinating 250,000 per day compared to 500,000 a few weeks ago. |
Please explain what difference having 100% of adults vaccinated as against 86% of adults vaccinated will make unless you also vaccinate 100% of the 4 to 18 year olds, 20% of the population?
Which many including the WHO say is not a good idea.
Because they will spread the desease more than the 14% of adults who can't or won't have the vaccine, to say nothing of the vaccinated themselves also spreading it. | | | |
| Netherlands on 11:32 - Jul 10 with 1065 views | max936 |
| Netherlands on 11:03 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
That will never happen. All adults have been offered their vaccination but only 86.8% have taken up the offer. Possibly another 2 to 3% have an appointment shortly but the other 10% include NHS workers, care home workers and antivaxers who think they are safer being unvaccinated.
The 86.8% of adults who have had their first vaccine are no longer prepared to spend their lives in lockdown because of the selfish 10%.
There is also a reluctance in getting under 30s to book their appointment hence we are only vaccinating 250,000 per day compared to 500,000 a few weeks ago. |
Good post, I'm glad to say, that my 27yr old has had his 1st jab about 6/7 weeks ago, be glad when he has his 2nd though, he works and lives away, so I just hope he doesn't pick it up, he's not a drinker, so his days are usually working and occasional trips to supermarkets etc. [Post edited 11 Jul 2021 12:26]
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| Netherlands on 11:35 - Jul 10 with 1060 views | max936 |
| Netherlands on 11:16 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
Yes but wasn;t that the big mistake in the beginning, not stopping international travel, Bojo not putting India on the red list when he should and that variant being here before we closed them down?
That's why I think a slower, phased opening should be done, not the crash, bang, wallop approach. Maybe wait to see what happens with the football.
Part of the problem, to me anyway, is that some people under react but other people go potty. The governments either did nothing or went too far. Bojo does nothing at all or goes gung ho, Drakeford just dithersand looks to be different to Westminster, just because. During a global pandemic we are being run by Bill and Ben. |
He Boris has made loads of mistakes throughout this pandemic and doesn't learn and just doesn't want to learn, Vaccines have been a great success in fairness, in the short term at least, long term who knows. | |
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| Netherlands on 11:56 - Jul 10 with 1026 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Netherlands on 11:28 - Jul 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
Please explain what difference having 100% of adults vaccinated as against 86% of adults vaccinated will make unless you also vaccinate 100% of the 4 to 18 year olds, 20% of the population?
Which many including the WHO say is not a good idea.
Because they will spread the desease more than the 14% of adults who can't or won't have the vaccine, to say nothing of the vaccinated themselves also spreading it. |
Very simple if 100% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% effective then only 10% of adults are at risk of catching it and passing it .
If 87% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% then 8.7% and the unvaccinated 13% of are at risk of catching it and passing it on. 8.7 + 13 = 21.7 % of adults as opposed to 10% . So twice as many adults can pass it on. | |
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| Netherlands on 11:57 - Jul 10 with 1026 views | Catullus |
| Netherlands on 11:35 - Jul 10 by max936 |
He Boris has made loads of mistakes throughout this pandemic and doesn't learn and just doesn't want to learn, Vaccines have been a great success in fairness, in the short term at least, long term who knows. |
That's my point Max, we are run by donkeys who never learn, who repeat mistake after mistake and either do too much or too little.
Drakeford is better, in my opinion, he just dithers too much AND sometimes does things just to be different to Bojo. That's only for the pandemic though, in many other ways Drakeford is completely useless! He gives Bojo stiff competition. | |
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| Netherlands on 12:50 - Jul 10 with 994 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Netherlands on 11:56 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Very simple if 100% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% effective then only 10% of adults are at risk of catching it and passing it .
If 87% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% then 8.7% and the unvaccinated 13% of are at risk of catching it and passing it on. 8.7 + 13 = 21.7 % of adults as opposed to 10% . So twice as many adults can pass it on. |
The extra 10% represents a 25% reduction in the overall total of spreaders, which is not a bad.
But is totally dependent on the Vaccine reduction of 90%, whereas it looks more like 60% to 70% for the Indian variant. | | | |
| Netherlands on 13:23 - Jul 10 with 1003 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Netherlands on 12:50 - Jul 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
The extra 10% represents a 25% reduction in the overall total of spreaders, which is not a bad.
But is totally dependent on the Vaccine reduction of 90%, whereas it looks more like 60% to 70% for the Indian variant. |
Latest scientific figures show current vaccines are just as effective for the delta variant as all other variants. It is just the delta variant spreads at twice the rate among the unvaccinated. Just another reason to get vaccinated. | |
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| Netherlands on 15:19 - Jul 10 with 961 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Netherlands on 11:21 - Jul 10 by pencoedjack |
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For the record only 55% of Dutch people have had their 1st vaccine, being part of the bureaucratic EU slows these things up.
Time to get our great country moving again. [Post edited 10 Jul 2021 11:41]
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| Netherlands on 15:33 - Jul 10 with 957 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Netherlands on 15:19 - Jul 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Except for the facts ….
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Uk vaccination rates doses per 100 is 120
Cayman islands 143
Guernsey 125
Island of man 130
All three part of the successful UK vaccination programme.
Belgium 99
Germany 93
Luxembourg 92
Austria, Portugal Ireland Italy 91
EU average 86.3 (approximately 40% behind the UK)
I won't bother listing the EU countries below average.
Clearly as every adult in the UK who wants to be vaccinated has had the invite the UK is now virtually only doing second doses . The EU was so far behind but it is slowly catching up but still doing first and second does [Post edited 10 Jul 2021 16:52]
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| Netherlands on 15:38 - Jul 10 with 953 views | Catullus |
| Netherlands on 11:56 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Very simple if 100% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% effective then only 10% of adults are at risk of catching it and passing it .
If 87% of adults are vaccinated and the vaccination is 90% then 8.7% and the unvaccinated 13% of are at risk of catching it and passing it on. 8.7 + 13 = 21.7 % of adults as opposed to 10% . So twice as many adults can pass it on. |
I thought 90% protection mean we had a 1 in 10 chance of catching it if we interact with an infected person?
I need the Profs input here because I don't know for sure but having both jabs doesn't guarantee I can't catch it. | |
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| Netherlands on 15:45 - Jul 10 with 946 views | pencoedjack |
| Netherlands on 15:33 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Uk vaccination rates doses per 100 is 120
Cayman islands 143
Guernsey 125
Island of man 130
All three part of the successful UK vaccination programme.
Belgium 99
Germany 93
Luxembourg 92
Austria, Portugal Ireland Italy 91
EU average 86.3 (approximately 40% behind the UK)
I won't bother listing the EU countries below average.
Clearly as every adult in the UK who wants to be vaccinated has had the invite the UK is now virtually only doing second doses . The EU was so far behind but it is slowly catching up but still doing first and second does [Post edited 10 Jul 2021 16:52]
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| Netherlands on 16:01 - Jul 10 with 940 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Netherlands on 15:45 - Jul 10 by pencoedjack |
Why waste your time on him FJ |
I think he likes the attention and loves being told he wrong all the time. | |
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| Netherlands on 16:25 - Jul 10 with 926 views | Professor |
| Netherlands on 15:38 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
I thought 90% protection mean we had a 1 in 10 chance of catching it if we interact with an infected person?
I need the Profs input here because I don't know for sure but having both jabs doesn't guarantee I can't catch it. |
No it does not. But will help break the cycle of the epidemic by reducing transmission and duration of infections. | | | |
| Netherlands on 16:41 - Jul 10 with 920 views | monmouth |
| Netherlands on 23:01 - Jul 9 by Dr_Winston |
It seems to me that there are three main categories of Covid people.
Type #1 - Those who either know someone who has died "of" Covid or are generally of the Howard Hughes persuasion anyway. Death lies around every corner and only total isolation for five or ten years until nobody dies of anything, ever, will do. Quite often they'll rail against the "Authoritarian" Government whilst complaining about how the same Govt isn't locking anyone down and not quite understanding the contradiction.
Type #2 - The anti-vaxx loonies. Believe everything they see on Youtube and consider themselves experts on virology, epidemiology and public health when truth is most of them can probably only just about manage to tie their own shoelaces without adult supervision or some blogger explaining how shoelaces are a Bilderberg scam. Also generally big fans of 9/11 conspiracies & Moon landing conspiracies.
Type #3 - Everyone else. Aware that there's a virus circulating that's a bit more dangerous than flu and worth taking precautions over, but understanding that unless you're old or unfortunate enough to suffer from a serious medical condition chances are you're more likely to win the lottery or die in a plane crash than be more than mildly inconvenienced by Covid. Happy to be vaccinated, but mostly just wishing that the whole thing was over so #1 & #2 will shut the hell up and that they can go to the pub without having to bother with table service. [Post edited 9 Jul 2021 23:13]
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There’s also all the poor buggers with long COVID of course, and with brain and organ damage from COVID (it’s a lot more dangerous and contagious than flu). You may not me in hospital but the results may not be mild.
That said, we can’t hide from it, but it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Giving brain dead morons like DGT is not a sensible option, but with Johnson and his numpties being of the same ilk, even if with obviously higher IQ than DGT, this is unlikely to end well. |  |
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| Netherlands on 16:48 - Jul 10 with 915 views | Whiterockin |
| Netherlands on 16:01 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
I think he likes the attention and loves being told he wrong all the time. |
Mr consistency. |  | | |
| Netherlands on 17:22 - Jul 10 with 879 views | 73__73 |
| Netherlands on 16:41 - Jul 10 by monmouth |
There’s also all the poor buggers with long COVID of course, and with brain and organ damage from COVID (it’s a lot more dangerous and contagious than flu). You may not me in hospital but the results may not be mild.
That said, we can’t hide from it, but it doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Giving brain dead morons like DGT is not a sensible option, but with Johnson and his numpties being of the same ilk, even if with obviously higher IQ than DGT, this is unlikely to end well. |
You are obsessed 😂 if I were you I’d be extremely scared of catching covid. So do yourself a favour and lock yourself away indefinitely . I’ll inform you when it’s safe to come out again 😠| |
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| Netherlands on 18:15 - Jul 10 with 869 views | controversial_jack |
| Netherlands on 16:25 - Jul 10 by Professor |
No it does not. But will help break the cycle of the epidemic by reducing transmission and duration of infections. |
It's not though, that's why cases have shot up and continue to remain high | | | |
| Netherlands on 19:31 - Jul 10 with 845 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Netherlands on 18:15 - Jul 10 by controversial_jack |
It's not though, that's why cases have shot up and continue to remain high |
The important thing is the number of hospitalisation and deaths these are rising very slowly. | |
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| Netherlands on 22:09 - Jul 10 with 807 views | controversial_jack |
| Netherlands on 19:31 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
The important thing is the number of hospitalisation and deaths these are rising very slowly. |
Yes, but things will get worse after july19th. I can't see there being much international travel and hols will be off again this year | | | |
| Netherlands on 23:01 - Jul 10 with 782 views | Catullus |
| Netherlands on 22:09 - Jul 10 by controversial_jack |
Yes, but things will get worse after july19th. I can't see there being much international travel and hols will be off again this year |
As the numbers of those vaccinated rise then the percentages of hospitalisations and deaths will get lower. That;s why the vaccination is so important.
Why can't you understand that? It's like taking a particularly bad flu and turning it into a sniffle, do you get it yet?
If I'd caught covid before getting jabbed my chances were really fairly poor whereas having had both doses my chances will be much better, it's that simple.
Talking about problems caused by the vaccine think on this, I was given pain killers that made me ill in other ways, I was given blood pressure drugs that damaged my liver and nearly made me severely ill. My wife is on anti convulsants and while they stop her fits now, they giver her terrible migraines, cause insomnia and memory loss but she puts up with it because it's beter than regular siezures. All medicines carry risks. | |
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| Netherlands on 23:51 - Jul 10 with 765 views | majorraglan |
| Netherlands on 13:23 - Jul 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Latest scientific figures show current vaccines are just as effective for the delta variant as all other variants. It is just the delta variant spreads at twice the rate among the unvaccinated. Just another reason to get vaccinated. |
I know someone working at a mass vaccination centre, the numbers coming through the door at dropping off over the last week, the ones who want it have been or are being done which leaves the deniers. When additional training is being rolled out to staff on life preserving procedures such as CPAP it’s not good news. | | | |
| Netherlands on 07:32 - Jul 11 with 707 views | Catullus |
American CDC numbers,
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru
Here inthe UK I think they've said around 8 people per day have died but not because of vaccines, because that is the normal amount of people dying from all causes. | |
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| Netherlands on 08:31 - Jul 11 with 683 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Netherlands on 15:45 - Jul 10 by pencoedjack |
Why waste your time on him FJ |
The united brains of great Britain … Felixidiot and Pencoed.
Worse than Liz Truss and that Gavin Williamson. And as thick as Brexit those 2.
Enjoy your team play at home again tonight. | |
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| Netherlands on 09:24 - Jul 11 with 664 views | controversial_jack |
| Netherlands on 23:01 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
As the numbers of those vaccinated rise then the percentages of hospitalisations and deaths will get lower. That;s why the vaccination is so important.
Why can't you understand that? It's like taking a particularly bad flu and turning it into a sniffle, do you get it yet?
If I'd caught covid before getting jabbed my chances were really fairly poor whereas having had both doses my chances will be much better, it's that simple.
Talking about problems caused by the vaccine think on this, I was given pain killers that made me ill in other ways, I was given blood pressure drugs that damaged my liver and nearly made me severely ill. My wife is on anti convulsants and while they stop her fits now, they giver her terrible migraines, cause insomnia and memory loss but she puts up with it because it's beter than regular siezures. All medicines carry risks. |
You have missed the point entirely. The rise in cases will prompt other countries to look at us and think, They have such high numbers there and therefore a high risk country, we shouldn't allow Brits entry into our country because of that risk
We have more new cases than anywhere in Europe by far, although Spain is seeing a huge rise - probably tourists.Whether we vaccinate or not is irrelevant to them, they will just look at the case numbers and risk.It does appear that, although the vaccine mitigates the severity of the illness, which is of course excellent it's not preventing transmission. | | | |
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