| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 151232 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:14 - Apr 21 with 1028 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:20 - Apr 20 by Brynmill_Jack |
It was manufactured in the 80’s - hardly cutting edge technology and certainly not their flagship Cat! That’s the point - the MSM is trumpeting this as a major triumph. It’s a blow losing any ship but this is not going to make hardly any difference to the Russians apart from annoying them further (perhaps not a great idea).
Weeks ago we were told that the Russians were running out of bullets. Now it’s emerging that it’s the Ukrainians who have no arms left (and are begging the US/EU/NATO). Just becarefyl not to swallow all your fed from the MSM - like the 45 minute threat from Iraq which was a made up lie.
Saw the dramatization of that on Monday night, great bit of tv which goes to show how horrible our governments can be. |
It was the flagship of their black sea fleet though, described as such by the Russian government. As pointed out to you about the Flagship of the fleet in the Gulf war, when it was built doesn't matter.
Again, as I pointed out, it had been refitted and modernised.
The lies about the Gulf war and the 45 minute threat weren't made up by the MSM, they were made up by a Labour government who fed the story to the MSM.
The Ukrainians have arms left but they need more munitions. Having a top class anti tank weapon is no good if it has no ammo. By the numbers of burnt out Russian armoured vehicles we have seen on tv, its no wonder they have burnt through a lot of munitions. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:29 - Apr 21 with 1011 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:03 - Apr 21 by Boundy |
You know this was Putin's original aim , how , you have a direct link to the Kremlin perhaps ? I suppose it make sense to you that Russia was quite happy to lose equipment & men attacking Kiev etc even though that wasn't in the plan.
Putin's rag a tag and bobtail "army" attacked Kiev because that's where Ukraine's Head of government was and still is located despite Russia's best efforts , he thought by taking out the government then you take control . He over estimated his militaries ability and the fact that Ukrainian's resistance has shown that for all Russia's so called military might it has proven to be pretty poor. bad planning, lack of logistics poor tactics/leadership , fail to plan, plan to fail .
The east may indeed fall, it doesn't take a military genius to work that one out but whilst the resistance there remains then there's hope |
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.
Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.
Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.
In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.
Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.
Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.
Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.
18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.
Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.
11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.
In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:48 - Apr 21 with 1002 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:29 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.
Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.
Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.
In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.
Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.
Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.
Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.
18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.
Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.
11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.
In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. |
Why are you posting Russian propaganda on here?
It's not a special military operation, it's an invasion by an aggressive, anti demcratic country.
What about Russian losses? What about civilian casualties? What about the thousands of civilians trapped in Mariupol that the Russians wont allow to leave?
Stop being Putin's useful idiot. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:04 - Apr 21 with 994 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:48 - Apr 21 by Lorax |
Why are you posting Russian propaganda on here?
It's not a special military operation, it's an invasion by an aggressive, anti demcratic country.
What about Russian losses? What about civilian casualties? What about the thousands of civilians trapped in Mariupol that the Russians wont allow to leave?
Stop being Putin's useful idiot. |
Civilians are not trapped in Mariupol, the ones trapped there are about a brigade sized military unit including many of the fascist Azov brigade. They are in an industrial area of a few square miles. Their situation is hopeless, they are cut off, and getting shelled at will.but Zelensky has told them not to surrender but fight to the end, which they seem to be doing. The Russian military is sitting back to see what happens to them | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:09 - Apr 21 with 990 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:04 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Civilians are not trapped in Mariupol, the ones trapped there are about a brigade sized military unit including many of the fascist Azov brigade. They are in an industrial area of a few square miles. Their situation is hopeless, they are cut off, and getting shelled at will.but Zelensky has told them not to surrender but fight to the end, which they seem to be doing. The Russian military is sitting back to see what happens to them |
Sitting back whilst shelling them at will. That’s the Russian way I guess. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:23 - Apr 21 with 977 views | onehunglow |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:04 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Civilians are not trapped in Mariupol, the ones trapped there are about a brigade sized military unit including many of the fascist Azov brigade. They are in an industrial area of a few square miles. Their situation is hopeless, they are cut off, and getting shelled at will.but Zelensky has told them not to surrender but fight to the end, which they seem to be doing. The Russian military is sitting back to see what happens to them |
Russian military will be selecting their next rape victims. Plenty of reports of Ukrainains impregnated by Russians.
This please you,in some way or is it fake news.
All these kids displaced---their fault? Yes or No.
Putin instructing his filth for soldiers to surround a building and wait for them to die. Some humanitarian eh.
Your views are without doubt the most disgusting ever to be posted on this forum.You should feel deeply ashamed.If you are not,you have really significant isues which none of us can help you with. You are truly troubled | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:24 - Apr 21 with 978 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:09 - Apr 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Sitting back whilst shelling them at will. That’s the Russian way I guess. |
Shelling military targets, not exactly an exclusive Russian target is it?They were given the chance to surrender, but Zelensky said no. I believe the Russians are now just trying to starve them out It's the end of the Azov brigade though. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:24 - Apr 21 with 978 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:48 - Apr 21 by Lorax |
Why are you posting Russian propaganda on here?
It's not a special military operation, it's an invasion by an aggressive, anti demcratic country.
What about Russian losses? What about civilian casualties? What about the thousands of civilians trapped in Mariupol that the Russians wont allow to leave?
Stop being Putin's useful idiot. |
Who says that the Russians won't allow civilians to leave Mariupol?
Do you think that if the Azov brigade had surrendered that the Russian would kill the civilians? | | | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:11 - Apr 21 with 956 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:48 - Apr 21 by Lorax |
Why are you posting Russian propaganda on here?
It's not a special military operation, it's an invasion by an aggressive, anti demcratic country.
What about Russian losses? What about civilian casualties? What about the thousands of civilians trapped in Mariupol that the Russians wont allow to leave?
Stop being Putin's useful idiot. |
That's all it is, Russian propaganda literally straight from the horses mouth.
https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12417834@egNews | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:13 - Apr 21 with 954 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:24 - Apr 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
Who says that the Russians won't allow civilians to leave Mariupol?
Do you think that if the Azov brigade had surrendered that the Russian would kill the civilians? |
Well Putin has said to seal the steel works site so as "not even a fly can leave". Apparently there are civillians in there too.
It looks like we won't know for sure until they starve to death | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:54 - Apr 21 with 945 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:13 - Apr 21 by Scotia |
Well Putin has said to seal the steel works site so as "not even a fly can leave". Apparently there are civillians in there too.
It looks like we won't know for sure until they starve to death |
They can surrender if Zelensky allows them | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:14 - Apr 21 with 939 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:54 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
They can surrender if Zelensky allows them |
How do you work that out? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:34 - Apr 21 with 930 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:54 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
They can surrender if Zelensky allows them |
The old , infirm disabled , you want to hope you never find yourself in the same circumstances , just imagine your sister, wife, mother, children in a similar situation. I don't imagine you'd be so blasé about their lives but then who knows , for greater good and all that perhaps you would . | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:39 - Apr 21 with 930 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:00 - Apr 21 by A_Fans_Dad |
According to the military experts the Russians did not attack Kiev in the conventional sense. There were no full out attacks.
They threatened Kiev, thus tying up the military there preventing them from reinforcing those in the east. When the Russians had the eastern armies in place they removed the threat from Kiev and moved them to increase the forces in the east.
Why you ask, well there are said to be about 60,000 Ukrainian top soldiers in the east who are now surrounded and cut of from re-supply and re-inforcement.
Are these "experts" right, who knows, but time will tell one way or the other.
There has been massive propaganda about Russian losses, but none about Ukranian military losses, only civillian deaths, why do you think that is? [Post edited 21 Apr 2022 12:38]
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Official Ukrainian sources have announced up to 3000 Ukrainian troops have died thus far with the The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verifying a total of 2,224 civilian deaths during Russia's military attack on Ukraine as of April 19,2022. Of them, 173 were children. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:09 - Apr 21 with 917 views | fbreath |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:14 - Apr 21 by Lorax |
It was the flagship of their black sea fleet though, described as such by the Russian government. As pointed out to you about the Flagship of the fleet in the Gulf war, when it was built doesn't matter.
Again, as I pointed out, it had been refitted and modernised.
The lies about the Gulf war and the 45 minute threat weren't made up by the MSM, they were made up by a Labour government who fed the story to the MSM.
The Ukrainians have arms left but they need more munitions. Having a top class anti tank weapon is no good if it has no ammo. By the numbers of burnt out Russian armoured vehicles we have seen on tv, its no wonder they have burnt through a lot of munitions. |
It's the Triggers sweeping brush of the Russian Navy
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:08 - Apr 21 with 893 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 15:34 - Apr 21 by Boundy |
The old , infirm disabled , you want to hope you never find yourself in the same circumstances , just imagine your sister, wife, mother, children in a similar situation. I don't imagine you'd be so blasé about their lives but then who knows , for greater good and all that perhaps you would . |
Surrendering will save lives.If the military within the steel complex hold out they will die.That's what happens in all wars. If troops don't surrender they get killed.
It's just the military within that complex, including much of the Azov brigade, not the old and infirm or children | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:23 - Apr 21 with 880 views | Flashberryjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:54 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
They can surrender if Zelensky allows them |
And of course the Russians treat prisoners of war very well. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:27 - Apr 21 with 875 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:08 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Surrendering will save lives.If the military within the steel complex hold out they will die.That's what happens in all wars. If troops don't surrender they get killed.
It's just the military within that complex, including much of the Azov brigade, not the old and infirm or children |
What about the rest of the city which has been completely and indiscriminately obliterated? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:29 - Apr 21 with 873 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:23 - Apr 21 by Flashberryjack |
And of course the Russians treat prisoners of war very well. |
Better than the alternative. This isn't ww2 and there are no longer gulags | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:33 - Apr 21 with 867 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:08 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Surrendering will save lives.If the military within the steel complex hold out they will die.That's what happens in all wars. If troops don't surrender they get killed.
It's just the military within that complex, including much of the Azov brigade, not the old and infirm or children |
Of course Putin not invading Ukraine would have saved a lot more lives, but that seems to be acceptable to you because Zelensky may not be as nice as he seems and some people with right wing tendencies live there. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:00 - Apr 21 with 843 views | Flashberryjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:29 - Apr 21 by controversial_jack |
Better than the alternative. This isn't ww2 and there are no longer gulags |
Well it does seem like it's being fought like world WW2, similar tactics and similar claims of rape and plunder.. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 09:25 - Apr 22 with 766 views | onehunglow |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:00 - Apr 21 by Flashberryjack |
Well it does seem like it's being fought like world WW2, similar tactics and similar claims of rape and plunder.. |
Ive posted previous regarding a German chum of mine and his family's personal experience of the Russians on the their to Berlin in WW11. It's stayed with me.
Suffice to say,countles German civilians killed themselves and their children rather than be taken by the Russians. Rape is normal for their soldiers. They are dogs. They always have been and always will.
We have a poster doubting Ukrainians who are fighting literally to their last breath and somehow it's all their doing.
Russia needs isolating completely for the foreseeable future and its people better understand how hated they are. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 09:58 - Apr 22 with 761 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:33 - Apr 21 by Scotia |
Of course Putin not invading Ukraine would have saved a lot more lives, but that seems to be acceptable to you because Zelensky may not be as nice as he seems and some people with right wing tendencies live there. |
Slightly more than right wing tendencies.The Azov brigade, lovely moderate ppl.The cluster bombs the Ukrainian military used on the Russian separists.
Of course no war is nice or justified, but we could say that about Iraq, Afghan, Syria Yemen,Somalia,etc none of which seem to have raised the same concern as this one has | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:31 - Apr 22 with 752 views | majorraglan |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 09:58 - Apr 22 by controversial_jack |
Slightly more than right wing tendencies.The Azov brigade, lovely moderate ppl.The cluster bombs the Ukrainian military used on the Russian separists.
Of course no war is nice or justified, but we could say that about Iraq, Afghan, Syria Yemen,Somalia,etc none of which seem to have raised the same concern as this one has |
The far right in Ukraine represents a very small proportion of the population, during their 2019 election the far right attracted something like 2.5% of the vote, if you want to see the far right have a look at the separatist areas in the East, the far-right is heavily represented among the pro-Russian separatists with several past or current leaders of the unrecognized break away republics of Donetsk and Luhansk linked to various neo-Nazi, white supremacists and ultra nationalists groups. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:43 - Apr 22 with 749 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:31 - Apr 22 by majorraglan |
The far right in Ukraine represents a very small proportion of the population, during their 2019 election the far right attracted something like 2.5% of the vote, if you want to see the far right have a look at the separatist areas in the East, the far-right is heavily represented among the pro-Russian separatists with several past or current leaders of the unrecognized break away republics of Donetsk and Luhansk linked to various neo-Nazi, white supremacists and ultra nationalists groups. |
That's not what Putin believes though is it? It doesn't alter the fact that he believes Russians have been persecuted and brutalized in that area. It doesn't take huge numbers either, the NAZIS started off with a handful of fascists
They are unrecognized, and that's part of the problem too. It's not what we think or believe, it's what Putin and his cabinet think that matters | | | |
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