| Summer transfer thread!! 10:58 - Apr 23 with 87814 views | Daggyjack |
Is it too early to begin a SCFC summer transfer thread??!!
First up for the thread of probable non-sensical and fact-less targets, I give you Frank Magri of Toulouse.
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:16 - Apr 30 with 3567 views | KeithHaynes |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 02:56 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
Steve Cooper left absolutely nothing even remotely good. He blew all of our limited budget on top loans who were no doubt cracking players but gave us absolutely no long term stability or assets to build on.
As you said atleast Martin gave us Downes, Wood, Obafemi, Ntcham and Piroe who were all sold for a decent profit and kept the lights on. He also oversaw one of the greatest moments in the clubs history with the doube doube.
Steve Cooper's one job was to get promoted and we all tolerated his terrible mind numbing football in pursuit of that. Yet he failed miserably twice and then had the audacity to have interviews before the playoff final.
I'm glad his career has turned to a complete failure since because the long term damage he did to this club took us a while to recover. |
Bloody hell yes, his football was very poor at times, but I think he would have taken the Swans up had they given him the money at the time and a pay rise. None of it was big bucks. But they chose to run him out. Did the same with Martin, thick as mince the owners regards those moments. |  |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:26 - Apr 30 with 3436 views | Whiterockin |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:16 - Apr 30 by KeithHaynes |
Bloody hell yes, his football was very poor at times, but I think he would have taken the Swans up had they given him the money at the time and a pay rise. None of it was big bucks. But they chose to run him out. Did the same with Martin, thick as mince the owners regards those moments. |
He did very well bearing in mind it was through covid to get us to the play off final, considering we were under tighter restrictions than England. Being at the final was surreal but regretful be we didn't give it a go. Some of the loans we incredible particularly when you see them playing now. But the football was dire. |  | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:55 - Apr 30 with 3398 views | johnlangy |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 02:56 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
Steve Cooper left absolutely nothing even remotely good. He blew all of our limited budget on top loans who were no doubt cracking players but gave us absolutely no long term stability or assets to build on.
As you said atleast Martin gave us Downes, Wood, Obafemi, Ntcham and Piroe who were all sold for a decent profit and kept the lights on. He also oversaw one of the greatest moments in the clubs history with the doube doube.
Steve Cooper's one job was to get promoted and we all tolerated his terrible mind numbing football in pursuit of that. Yet he failed miserably twice and then had the audacity to have interviews before the playoff final.
I'm glad his career has turned to a complete failure since because the long term damage he did to this club took us a while to recover. |
I agree that the football was awful to watch. How much of that was down to the limitations on the players we were able to bring in with the financial restrictions at the time and him having to work with what he had I don't know (or remember).
But to say he failed miserably is a strange thing to say. Would we have been hysterically happy if we'd managed to reach the play offs this season ? Yes. And would we then be hysterically happy if we went on to reach the play off final ? Yes. Absolutely.
That's not failure. His job was to win as many games as possible. |  | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 12:54 - Apr 30 with 3255 views | Swanseafan2003 |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:55 - Apr 30 by johnlangy |
I agree that the football was awful to watch. How much of that was down to the limitations on the players we were able to bring in with the financial restrictions at the time and him having to work with what he had I don't know (or remember).
But to say he failed miserably is a strange thing to say. Would we have been hysterically happy if we'd managed to reach the play offs this season ? Yes. And would we then be hysterically happy if we went on to reach the play off final ? Yes. Absolutely.
That's not failure. His job was to win as many games as possible. |
We didn't expect to be in playoffs this season though so if we got it of course we'd see it as a success.
However, with the parachute payments and players we had back then it would have been catastrophic if we didn't get playoffs at a minimum.
The job of a manager in my opinion is one of two things. Instant success (i.e promotion/surviving relegation) or building/leaving a good foundation in place so the club is better off then when you took over it. Cooper failed on both accounts and had 0 respect for us by having interviews before the play off final. [Post edited 30 Apr 12:56]
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 13:41 - Apr 30 with 3187 views | shandyjack |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 12:54 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
We didn't expect to be in playoffs this season though so if we got it of course we'd see it as a success.
However, with the parachute payments and players we had back then it would have been catastrophic if we didn't get playoffs at a minimum.
The job of a manager in my opinion is one of two things. Instant success (i.e promotion/surviving relegation) or building/leaving a good foundation in place so the club is better off then when you took over it. Cooper failed on both accounts and had 0 respect for us by having interviews before the play off final. [Post edited 30 Apr 12:56]
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Cooper a manager who took us to 2 play off where we lost twice to Brentford with a squad consisting of David Raya, Ivan Toney, Mbuemo, Janelt, Norgaard is hated byt the same people who have a love fest over a manager (RM) who took us backwards at an alarming rate whose only remit was to look out for himself regardless of results it brought to us |  |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 14:45 - Apr 30 with 3113 views | KeithHaynes |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 13:41 - Apr 30 by shandyjack |
Cooper a manager who took us to 2 play off where we lost twice to Brentford with a squad consisting of David Raya, Ivan Toney, Mbuemo, Janelt, Norgaard is hated byt the same people who have a love fest over a manager (RM) who took us backwards at an alarming rate whose only remit was to look out for himself regardless of results it brought to us |
Hate …
Jeez, when ? | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 14:51 - Apr 30 with 3105 views | KeithHaynes |
Literally hours after the play off final.
We reported this.
 Steve Cooper will be given an ultimatum today. Stay and do your job - or go ! 2nd Jun 2021 08:00In a Swansea Independent EXCLUSIVE we can reveal today that Steve Cooper will be given a simple ultimatum this morning, and it isn’t hard to understand. Quite simply Cooper, who has been stalling on his Swansea future with numerous clubs after his signature will be told very clear. You are under contract, talk to us about your immediate future as a Swansea City coach, or move on and make sure the club you speak to can compensate your leaving.  0
Nothing to do with his performances, he was ousted by previous owners the same as Russell Martin, regardless of what people think of him. The internet is a great time stamp 👍 | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 15:32 - Apr 30 with 3068 views | Swanseafan2003 |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 13:41 - Apr 30 by shandyjack |
Cooper a manager who took us to 2 play off where we lost twice to Brentford with a squad consisting of David Raya, Ivan Toney, Mbuemo, Janelt, Norgaard is hated byt the same people who have a love fest over a manager (RM) who took us backwards at an alarming rate whose only remit was to look out for himself regardless of results it brought to us |
We also had players who were far too good for the level aswell? Grimes, Roberts, Guehi, Ayew, Gallagher, Brewster, Gyokeres, Manning. These are all guys who have played or gone on to play in the premier league.
I certainly have no love for Martin aswell and he deserves (and certainly gets) his fair share of criticism due to his sheer arrogance/stubborness not only as a person but also hus style of play. However, the one thing you definitely cannot say is that we were in a worse position when he left then when he came in.
I give him credit that he played a major role in giving this club 40mill+ in saleable assets which we desperately needed at the time just to keep the lights on and it's hard to forget our first double over them lot.
When you consider their roles and expectations and limitations placed on them, Martin was a far bigger success than Cooper. One was tasked with getting us straight back up, while the other just had to keep us stable and financially afloat. One did their job and the other failed. [Post edited 30 Apr 15:34]
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 20:18 - Apr 30 with 2865 views | KeithHaynes |
Just to update folks.
No player connected to the Swans to date has been approached, a couple maybe last summer, obviously there won’t be any activity until the window opens.
FLW etc will of course encourage people click on their reports that have in the main for the time we’ve been running this site absolute BS. | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 20:30 - Apr 30 with 2847 views | Dr_Winston |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 15:32 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
We also had players who were far too good for the level aswell? Grimes, Roberts, Guehi, Ayew, Gallagher, Brewster, Gyokeres, Manning. These are all guys who have played or gone on to play in the premier league.
I certainly have no love for Martin aswell and he deserves (and certainly gets) his fair share of criticism due to his sheer arrogance/stubborness not only as a person but also hus style of play. However, the one thing you definitely cannot say is that we were in a worse position when he left then when he came in.
I give him credit that he played a major role in giving this club 40mill+ in saleable assets which we desperately needed at the time just to keep the lights on and it's hard to forget our first double over them lot.
When you consider their roles and expectations and limitations placed on them, Martin was a far bigger success than Cooper. One was tasked with getting us straight back up, while the other just had to keep us stable and financially afloat. One did their job and the other failed. [Post edited 30 Apr 15:34]
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Sorry, what?
One of the most utterly indisputable facts about Martin is that we were in a worse place when he left than when he joined. For two years he had a squad easily capable of emulating Cooper's playoff finishes and the best he could manage was tenth, and we only did that because he panicked and stopped trying to make the idiotic style he'd failed miserably with work.
Martin is a serious contender for worst ever Swans manager purely down to just how badly he mismanaged the resources available to him. Others may have been useless for other reasons, but he has few excuses. He knew full well how to get the best out of the players he had but refused to do so in a laughably inept attempt to prove himself to be the smartest guy in the room. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 21:21 - Apr 30 with 2782 views | KeithHaynes |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 20:30 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Sorry, what?
One of the most utterly indisputable facts about Martin is that we were in a worse place when he left than when he joined. For two years he had a squad easily capable of emulating Cooper's playoff finishes and the best he could manage was tenth, and we only did that because he panicked and stopped trying to make the idiotic style he'd failed miserably with work.
Martin is a serious contender for worst ever Swans manager purely down to just how badly he mismanaged the resources available to him. Others may have been useless for other reasons, but he has few excuses. He knew full well how to get the best out of the players he had but refused to do so in a laughably inept attempt to prove himself to be the smartest guy in the room. |
It’s worth discussing 😂 | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 21:34 - Apr 30 with 2763 views | Dr_Winston |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 21:21 - Apr 30 by KeithHaynes |
It’s worth discussing 😂 |
Not really much of a discussion to be had. Anyone still advocating for Martin at this point given his two years with us and subsequent career needs a good long evaluation at Cockett Lighthouse. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 22:38 - Apr 30 with 2701 views | Swanseafan2003 |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 20:30 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Sorry, what?
One of the most utterly indisputable facts about Martin is that we were in a worse place when he left than when he joined. For two years he had a squad easily capable of emulating Cooper's playoff finishes and the best he could manage was tenth, and we only did that because he panicked and stopped trying to make the idiotic style he'd failed miserably with work.
Martin is a serious contender for worst ever Swans manager purely down to just how badly he mismanaged the resources available to him. Others may have been useless for other reasons, but he has few excuses. He knew full well how to get the best out of the players he had but refused to do so in a laughably inept attempt to prove himself to be the smartest guy in the room. |
When he joined we had 0 senior GKs, 0 recognized ST, 0 Wingers, 2 Dms (one of them being Grimes who had a year left at the time and was very likely to be sold), Naughton as our only RB, 2 senior CBs (one being Bennett).
All you have to do is go back and look at the team we put out against Blackburn it was really laughable it really was a team destined for relegation.
I can put away my biases and dislike for Martin in the pursuit of common sense and clearly see that the position he left us in was 30x better then the one he inherited.
As for our worse managers since relegations i'd say it goes.
Sheehan
Duff
Luke Williams
Cooper
Martin
Potter
Matos is too esrly too judge but so far I'd have between Luke Williams and Cooper.
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 22:45 - Apr 30 with 2684 views | Dr_Winston |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 22:38 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
When he joined we had 0 senior GKs, 0 recognized ST, 0 Wingers, 2 Dms (one of them being Grimes who had a year left at the time and was very likely to be sold), Naughton as our only RB, 2 senior CBs (one being Bennett).
All you have to do is go back and look at the team we put out against Blackburn it was really laughable it really was a team destined for relegation.
I can put away my biases and dislike for Martin in the pursuit of common sense and clearly see that the position he left us in was 30x better then the one he inherited.
As for our worse managers since relegations i'd say it goes.
Sheehan
Duff
Luke Williams
Cooper
Martin
Potter
Matos is too esrly too judge but so far I'd have between Luke Williams and Cooper.
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Cobblers.
Any manager who can only muster a finish of 15th place despite having players of the quality of Piroe, Downes, Ntcham, Obafemi, Grimes, Paterson, Wolf, Naughton and Latibeaudiere (amongst others) available to him is utterly incompetent. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 06:06 - May 1 with 2570 views | Whiterockin |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 22:38 - Apr 30 by Swanseafan2003 |
When he joined we had 0 senior GKs, 0 recognized ST, 0 Wingers, 2 Dms (one of them being Grimes who had a year left at the time and was very likely to be sold), Naughton as our only RB, 2 senior CBs (one being Bennett).
All you have to do is go back and look at the team we put out against Blackburn it was really laughable it really was a team destined for relegation.
I can put away my biases and dislike for Martin in the pursuit of common sense and clearly see that the position he left us in was 30x better then the one he inherited.
As for our worse managers since relegations i'd say it goes.
Sheehan
Duff
Luke Williams
Cooper
Martin
Potter
Matos is too esrly too judge but so far I'd have between Luke Williams and Cooper.
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Having the list in that order totally belittles any argument you put forward. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:26 - May 1 with 2470 views | Ray_Delauney |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 21:34 - Apr 30 by Dr_Winston |
Not really much of a discussion to be had. Anyone still advocating for Martin at this point given his two years with us and subsequent career needs a good long evaluation at Cockett Lighthouse. |
Didn't know there was a lighthouse in Cockett? There's a tunnel, definitely. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:38 - May 1 with 2451 views | KeithHaynes |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:26 - May 1 by Ray_Delauney |
Didn't know there was a lighthouse in Cockett? There's a tunnel, definitely. |
I thought Martin finished three points off the play offs after nine games undefeated at the end of the season ? | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:04 - May 1 with 2409 views | Whiterockin |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:26 - May 1 by Ray_Delauney |
Didn't know there was a lighthouse in Cockett? There's a tunnel, definitely. |
Further up the hill from the Cockett Inn. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:14 - May 1 with 2408 views | shandyjack |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:38 - May 1 by KeithHaynes |
I thought Martin finished three points off the play offs after nine games undefeated at the end of the season ? |
which proves if he hadn't have been such a melt and had the woe is me act after the transfer window ended despite being handed the top GS from the league below on a plate in the Jan window then we should have made the PO's as the squad was good enough. | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:33 - May 1 with 2364 views | onehunglow |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:26 - May 1 by Ray_Delauney |
Didn't know there was a lighthouse in Cockett? There's a tunnel, definitely. |
In the ice ages | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:46 - May 1 with 2347 views | KeithHaynes |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:14 - May 1 by shandyjack |
which proves if he hadn't have been such a melt and had the woe is me act after the transfer window ended despite being handed the top GS from the league below on a plate in the Jan window then we should have made the PO's as the squad was good enough. |
More about his runs of defeats before January for me | |
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| Summer transfer thread!! on 11:45 - May 1 with 2260 views | Swanseafan2003 |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 06:06 - May 1 by Whiterockin |
Having the list in that order totally belittles any argument you put forward. |
Why does it?
I never said he was the worst I just called him a failure. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 11:52 - May 1 with 2250 views | Swanseafan2003 |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 09:14 - May 1 by shandyjack |
which proves if he hadn't have been such a melt and had the woe is me act after the transfer window ended despite being handed the top GS from the league below on a plate in the Jan window then we should have made the PO's as the squad was good enough. |
The same Whittaker who never actually wanted to come back and even posted on bis social media at the time about it? He was only called back so the owners could cash in him aswell.
He then refused to play for us in order to try and force through a move. That doesnt exactly sound like somebody who was going to positively affect us. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 12:14 - May 1 with 2205 views | Ray_Delauney |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:38 - May 1 by KeithHaynes |
I thought Martin finished three points off the play offs after nine games undefeated at the end of the season ? |
I think you're right. But we ended up drawing against Hull in the most pitiful manner, meaning that we mathematically put ourselves out of the play-offs. It was pathetic. | | | |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 02:54 - May 2 with 1911 views | ncswan |
| Summer transfer thread!! on 08:38 - May 1 by KeithHaynes |
I thought Martin finished three points off the play offs after nine games undefeated at the end of the season ? |
Correct! Martin was acting like a spoiled child because he didn't get any recruits during the Jan window. By 1st or 2nd week in March he figured out that he didn't need any recruits, switched to a different formation in the back (going from 3 CB's to 2) and started his undefeated streak with 7 wins, 2 draws, and 0 losses. Should have made the playoffs but his petulance and hard-headedness kept the Swans out. [Post edited 2 May 8:00]
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