| Munira Mirza 10:50 - Jun 21 with 2267 views | Kerouac |
BLM and their Lefty chums are now demanding this young lady's head...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
...her crime? Demanding that we discuss race in this country based on facts, stats and what the law says.
She believes, as I do, that this country is not a racist country and fares very well when measured against other countries on any analysis of the facts.
Mirza has stated that the claims of some that this country has institutional racism can be attributed to their 'perception'.
This rational analysis of course now makes her one of those 'brown racists' or something. We, who remain rational, must stand firm and not allow this person to be bullied from her job.
It only takes the silence of good men to allow all sorts of evil to be unleashed.
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| Munira Mirza on 10:55 - Jun 21 with 1446 views | Jackinexile1 |
No she basically said racism doesn't exist. |  | | |
| Munira Mirza on 10:58 - Jun 21 with 1435 views | Kerouac |
| Munira Mirza on 10:55 - Jun 21 by Jackinexile1 |
No she basically said racism doesn't exist. |
Ms Mirza, who is Director of the Number 10 Policy Unit, has been heavily criticised for describing structural racism as “more of a perception than a reality”. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 11:18 - Jun 21 with 1391 views | Catullus |
Obviously there is genuine racism but there is also percieved racism and sometimes people use racism as a convenient excuse. I'm thinking about Micah Richards there, he claimed he was called 'bling' because he's black, he was well known for spending large amounts on flashy stuff, a lot on flash cars apparently. So is calling him bling racist? I'd be pretty sure he's been called far worse, things which are very definitely racist. But is bling a racist comment or just a nickname because of his spending habits? |  |
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| Munira Mirza on 11:23 - Jun 21 with 1379 views | felixstowe_jack |
Not sure I would want to live in a Country that says it is not racist but bans all free speech that does not conform to it's version of the truth.
Reminds me too much of USSR, China, Cambodia and several gulf states. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 11:35 - Jun 21 with 1357 views | Professor |
I would be more concerned she lacks any independence. How can someone who does not believe that racism does not exist in the U.K. judge this ? | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 11:38 - Jun 21 with 1348 views | JimmyGilligan |
What are your thoughts on 9/11 Dimi...i mean Kerouac ? |  | | |
| Munira Mirza on 11:58 - Jun 21 with 1315 views | Catullus |
| Munira Mirza on 11:35 - Jun 21 by Professor |
I would be more concerned she lacks any independence. How can someone who does not believe that racism does not exist in the U.K. judge this ? |
I reckon, Prof, the hardest part these days is finding anyone who is both independent AND qualified to judge, on anything!
The middle ground is emptier than a politicians promise. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 12:06 - Jun 21 with 1292 views | Professor |
| Munira Mirza on 11:58 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
I reckon, Prof, the hardest part these days is finding anyone who is both independent AND qualified to judge, on anything!
The middle ground is emptier than a politicians promise. |
That may be true. But this is a Trumpian political appointment. | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 12:16 - Jun 21 with 1271 views | Jack_Kass |
| Munira Mirza on 11:18 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
Obviously there is genuine racism but there is also percieved racism and sometimes people use racism as a convenient excuse. I'm thinking about Micah Richards there, he claimed he was called 'bling' because he's black, he was well known for spending large amounts on flashy stuff, a lot on flash cars apparently. So is calling him bling racist? I'd be pretty sure he's been called far worse, things which are very definitely racist. But is bling a racist comment or just a nickname because of his spending habits? |
The whole point is there were probably 5 white males in the team who spent equally, or more than him. [Post edited 21 Jun 2020 12:18]
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| Munira Mirza on 12:18 - Jun 21 with 1263 views | Jackinexile1 |
| Munira Mirza on 11:18 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
Obviously there is genuine racism but there is also percieved racism and sometimes people use racism as a convenient excuse. I'm thinking about Micah Richards there, he claimed he was called 'bling' because he's black, he was well known for spending large amounts on flashy stuff, a lot on flash cars apparently. So is calling him bling racist? I'd be pretty sure he's been called far worse, things which are very definitely racist. But is bling a racist comment or just a nickname because of his spending habits? |
Clueless. | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 12:27 - Jun 21 with 1238 views | Catullus |
| Munira Mirza on 12:16 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass |
The whole point is there were probably 5 white males in the team who spent equally, or more than him. [Post edited 21 Jun 2020 12:18]
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Yes but what nicknames did they have? Do we know? What nicknames were used in the dressing room for all the players, or in the media? Was the nickname really only given because he's black or purely because of his spending habits, was the journo who coined it awate of the other players spending habits?
Was it really racism or did Richards percieve it to be? Perception is everything but we still need to see evidence from other points of view or we could easily make flawed judgements. Bling was/is a commoly used word/term, it has no inate racist overtone as far as I know. Maybe someone should educate me?
Bobby George was called the 'King of Bling' so is that racist in any way? | |
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| Munira Mirza on 12:44 - Jun 21 with 1212 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Munira Mirza on 12:27 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
Yes but what nicknames did they have? Do we know? What nicknames were used in the dressing room for all the players, or in the media? Was the nickname really only given because he's black or purely because of his spending habits, was the journo who coined it awate of the other players spending habits?
Was it really racism or did Richards percieve it to be? Perception is everything but we still need to see evidence from other points of view or we could easily make flawed judgements. Bling was/is a commoly used word/term, it has no inate racist overtone as far as I know. Maybe someone should educate me?
Bobby George was called the 'King of Bling' so is that racist in any way? |
Mate, give up , there is no middle ground, end of. |  | | |
| Munira Mirza on 12:46 - Jun 21 with 1204 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Munira Mirza on 12:27 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
Yes but what nicknames did they have? Do we know? What nicknames were used in the dressing room for all the players, or in the media? Was the nickname really only given because he's black or purely because of his spending habits, was the journo who coined it awate of the other players spending habits?
Was it really racism or did Richards percieve it to be? Perception is everything but we still need to see evidence from other points of view or we could easily make flawed judgements. Bling was/is a commoly used word/term, it has no inate racist overtone as far as I know. Maybe someone should educate me?
Bobby George was called the 'King of Bling' so is that racist in any way? |
Yes, Lewis Hamilton is complaining about the racism he has faced.
But one statement is extremely questionable.
He said " he has faced accusations of 'not being British enough' throughout his career"
Of course that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he left the UK for the Tax Haven called Monaco by any chance? | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 12:47 - Jun 21 with 1197 views | Kerouac |
That article really gets to the nub of it.
They won't even register as a charity! 
Lots of people who think themselves to be intelligent and virtuous and good going along with something deeply shady and corrupt. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 12:49 - Jun 21 with 1186 views | Catullus |
| Munira Mirza on 12:44 - Jun 21 by Treforys_Jack |
Mate, give up , there is no middle ground, end of. |
Told you I was stubborn 
Drizzy mentioned 'the enlightenment' a few times and we now know that what they considered being enlightened back then was pretty dark in many ways. Maybe one day people on here will see that blindly following, not questioning, not seeking evidence, just believing....maybe they'll see that it's not the way to solve problems. They may consider themselves more enlightened today, but are they? | |
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| Munira Mirza on 12:50 - Jun 21 with 1184 views | BillyChong |
Daily Mail articles..... | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 12:50 - Jun 21 with 1183 views | Jack_Kass |
| Munira Mirza on 12:27 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
Yes but what nicknames did they have? Do we know? What nicknames were used in the dressing room for all the players, or in the media? Was the nickname really only given because he's black or purely because of his spending habits, was the journo who coined it awate of the other players spending habits?
Was it really racism or did Richards percieve it to be? Perception is everything but we still need to see evidence from other points of view or we could easily make flawed judgements. Bling was/is a commoly used word/term, it has no inate racist overtone as far as I know. Maybe someone should educate me?
Bobby George was called the 'King of Bling' so is that racist in any way? |
If he perceived it to be, then doesn't that give you the smallest hint that it was out of balance.
Unless you want to argue that MR, or the BME community jump at the opportunity to cry foul, or even relish it, which again is just a huge repeating circle of racist s**thousery | |
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| Munira Mirza on 12:53 - Jun 21 with 1169 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Munira Mirza on 12:50 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass |
If he perceived it to be, then doesn't that give you the smallest hint that it was out of balance.
Unless you want to argue that MR, or the BME community jump at the opportunity to cry foul, or even relish it, which again is just a huge repeating circle of racist s**thousery |
Agree, but if he perceived it to be, he should have said something to the journo. | | | |
| Munira Mirza on 13:06 - Jun 21 with 1147 views | Catullus |
| Munira Mirza on 12:50 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass |
If he perceived it to be, then doesn't that give you the smallest hint that it was out of balance.
Unless you want to argue that MR, or the BME community jump at the opportunity to cry foul, or even relish it, which again is just a huge repeating circle of racist s**thousery |
If he percieved it to be it doesnt mean the person who coined it intended it to be racist or said it because they are racist. Can't you see the difference? As for out of balance, nicknames tend to be exaggerations or do you think Baggio actually had a divine ponytail and Chicarito was because he looked like a character from Monsters Inc? Does Givanildo Viera da Sousa turn green and rip his clothes. People earn nicknames all the time and it doesn't mean it's racist. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 13:10 - Jun 21 with 1135 views | Neath_Jack |
| Munira Mirza on 13:06 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
If he percieved it to be it doesnt mean the person who coined it intended it to be racist or said it because they are racist. Can't you see the difference? As for out of balance, nicknames tend to be exaggerations or do you think Baggio actually had a divine ponytail and Chicarito was because he looked like a character from Monsters Inc? Does Givanildo Viera da Sousa turn green and rip his clothes. People earn nicknames all the time and it doesn't mean it's racist. |
Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race.
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Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person's religion or perceived religion. |  |
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| Munira Mirza on 13:22 - Jun 21 with 1109 views | Jack_Kass |
| Munira Mirza on 13:06 - Jun 21 by Catullus |
If he percieved it to be it doesnt mean the person who coined it intended it to be racist or said it because they are racist. Can't you see the difference? As for out of balance, nicknames tend to be exaggerations or do you think Baggio actually had a divine ponytail and Chicarito was because he looked like a character from Monsters Inc? Does Givanildo Viera da Sousa turn green and rip his clothes. People earn nicknames all the time and it doesn't mean it's racist. |
Its only hard when you fight to make it so, honestly
The whole POINT is that conscious intention is so often absent, and does not negate the fact
Every racist comment is not excused or exonerated by the follow up of 'well i didnt mean it to be..'
Balance in regards to the dynamics of the group! Not the potential creative freedom of the nickname. | |
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| Munira Mirza on 13:37 - Jun 21 with 1069 views | Catullus |
| Munira Mirza on 13:22 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass |
Its only hard when you fight to make it so, honestly
The whole POINT is that conscious intention is so often absent, and does not negate the fact
Every racist comment is not excused or exonerated by the follow up of 'well i didnt mean it to be..'
Balance in regards to the dynamics of the group! Not the potential creative freedom of the nickname. |
That is the modern problem. It doesn't matter if a comment is in no way meant to be racist, if any person percieves it as such it is deemed racist.
I have a friend called Nigel but we all call him Nigs, if we're out and someone calls him by that nicname and a nearby black man takes offence because his perception is he's been called the N word, is it racist? Or is it just an awful misunderstanding?
And yes, I really do have a friend we call Nigs. | |
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