| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s 05:53 - Feb 21 with 2628 views | KeithHaynes |
For me what he adds to the attack we definitely lose in defence. |  |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 06:16 - Feb 21 with 1430 views | Treforys_Jack |
Undoubtedly, For me Fulton seems to have taken a dip in form as well which has compounded the issue. Some big decisions for Mr Cooper that's for sure. |  | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:06 - Feb 21 with 1385 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 06:16 - Feb 21 by Treforys_Jack |
Undoubtedly, For me Fulton seems to have taken a dip in form as well which has compounded the issue. Some big decisions for Mr Cooper that's for sure. |
I think Fulton, like Lowe is jaded and doesn’t have the same energy.
Not sure on what to suggest for Hourihane, I’m shocked by how much we have had to carry him. The lack of games isn’t really an excuse imo he’s been here a while now. |  | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:41 - Feb 21 with 1351 views | angryjack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:06 - Feb 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
I think Fulton, like Lowe is jaded and doesn’t have the same energy.
Not sure on what to suggest for Hourihane, I’m shocked by how much we have had to carry him. The lack of games isn’t really an excuse imo he’s been here a while now. |
Lowe just can't do the basics again...can't hold or control ball.makes wrong options looks a very poor player again.. |  | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:50 - Feb 21 with 1340 views | angryjack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:06 - Feb 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
I think Fulton, like Lowe is jaded and doesn’t have the same energy.
Not sure on what to suggest for Hourihane, I’m shocked by how much we have had to carry him. The lack of games isn’t really an excuse imo he’s been here a while now. |
Hourihane simply don't do enough we carry him.. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 09:05 - Feb 21 with 1318 views | Thornburyswan |
Noting we start 5 defenders plus at least one holding CM we should be able to accommodate Hourihane plus with our, relative to the rest of the top 6/7, limited goal scoring options I think we need to find a way to play him.
For me we need to freshen up & give a few of our benchers a start, a couple of suggestions if I may :-
1. Radical option (least likely from what I’ve seen of Cooper) - switch to a 4-3-1-2 formation to both freshen & challenge the opposition differently e.g. Freddie - Roberts/Guehi/Bennett/Bidders - Smith/Grimes/Fulton - Hourihane - Ayew/Whittaker with bench of Hamer, Nauts, Manning, Cabango, Latibeaudiere, Dhanda, Lowe, Cooper & Arriola (assuming Morris is out for a spell).
2. Tweak our usual formation but rest Lowe, Fulton & Nauts to give either Whittaker or Arriola plus Smith & Latibeaudiere starts - clearly simpler to do & less risky but also less innovative & less likely to deliver a material improvement. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 09:55 - Feb 21 with 1259 views | onehunglow |
Hoolie is luxury player albeit one who can win a game for you on his own.That is why Steve picks him to start.However ,we dont have the extra the extra capacity to compensate for his lack of athleticism or desire.I can see why Dean Smith wouldn't select.
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 10:19 - Feb 21 with 1246 views | AndyCole |
His lack of athleticism was highlighted on the Villa forum, so no surprises.
What we needed in that AM space was a MGW high tempo high energy game changer.
CH adds nous, pedigree, professionalism, and a wicked wand of a left foot. Most importantly he gave us an injection of confidence.
Can see him sitting deeper, orchestrating, protected behind by Guehi (who’s a budding CDM) and Bennett’s positional prowess.
Grimes could be our AM, bundles of energy to bomb up and down, deft passer and excellent tackler to drive our high press.
We are fortunate to have the puzzle of how best to utilise such a talent. | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 10:23 - Feb 21 with 1228 views | onehunglow |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 10:19 - Feb 21 by AndyCole |
His lack of athleticism was highlighted on the Villa forum, so no surprises.
What we needed in that AM space was a MGW high tempo high energy game changer.
CH adds nous, pedigree, professionalism, and a wicked wand of a left foot. Most importantly he gave us an injection of confidence.
Can see him sitting deeper, orchestrating, protected behind by Guehi (who’s a budding CDM) and Bennett’s positional prowess.
Grimes could be our AM, bundles of energy to bomb up and down, deft passer and excellent tackler to drive our high press.
We are fortunate to have the puzzle of how best to utilise such a talent. |
I d rather do a jigsaw mate.Or a rubik cube | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:07 - Feb 21 with 1191 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 10:19 - Feb 21 by AndyCole |
His lack of athleticism was highlighted on the Villa forum, so no surprises.
What we needed in that AM space was a MGW high tempo high energy game changer.
CH adds nous, pedigree, professionalism, and a wicked wand of a left foot. Most importantly he gave us an injection of confidence.
Can see him sitting deeper, orchestrating, protected behind by Guehi (who’s a budding CDM) and Bennett’s positional prowess.
Grimes could be our AM, bundles of energy to bomb up and down, deft passer and excellent tackler to drive our high press.
We are fortunate to have the puzzle of how best to utilise such a talent. |
Hourihane sitting alongside Grimes is the only option I can see for him. We will miss grimes too much defensively if we move him to AM.
I would like to see Ariolla played there. Quick, nippy, will close down defenders and obviously has a bit of quality about him aswell. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:17 - Feb 21 with 1181 views | KeithHaynes |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:07 - Feb 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Hourihane sitting alongside Grimes is the only option I can see for him. We will miss grimes too much defensively if we move him to AM.
I would like to see Ariolla played there. Quick, nippy, will close down defenders and obviously has a bit of quality about him aswell. |
Whatever we do it will be to accommodate Hourihane.
Just can’t see us doing much with him as a part of a midfield three, he is a poor grafter, maybe just ahead of a three man midfield of -
Grimes. Fulton. Smith. (Manning)
Then of course we are narrow, Arriola wouldn’t fit the formation.
But it’s still accommodating him. He offers so much, he can’t be benched. That’s the issue.
Up front with Ayew ?
The more I think about that, it may work, goes back to the issue that he won’t be dropped. | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:28 - Feb 21 with 1169 views | Highjack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 08:41 - Feb 21 by angryjack |
Lowe just can't do the basics again...can't hold or control ball.makes wrong options looks a very poor player again.. |
He’s been good all season but at the moment he’s trapping the ball further than most people can kick it. |  |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:29 - Feb 21 with 1167 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:17 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
Whatever we do it will be to accommodate Hourihane.
Just can’t see us doing much with him as a part of a midfield three, he is a poor grafter, maybe just ahead of a three man midfield of -
Grimes. Fulton. Smith. (Manning)
Then of course we are narrow, Arriola wouldn’t fit the formation.
But it’s still accommodating him. He offers so much, he can’t be benched. That’s the issue.
Up front with Ayew ?
The more I think about that, it may work, goes back to the issue that he won’t be dropped. |
Yeah the reality is Cooper will accommodate him, definitely.
Hourihane needs to repay that with goals, which in fairness he does when given chance but it also means the two next to him need to be able to put a massive shift in and yesterday Grimes/Fulton weren’t able to do that. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:30 - Feb 21 with 1159 views | onehunglow |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:17 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
Whatever we do it will be to accommodate Hourihane.
Just can’t see us doing much with him as a part of a midfield three, he is a poor grafter, maybe just ahead of a three man midfield of -
Grimes. Fulton. Smith. (Manning)
Then of course we are narrow, Arriola wouldn’t fit the formation.
But it’s still accommodating him. He offers so much, he can’t be benched. That’s the issue.
Up front with Ayew ?
The more I think about that, it may work, goes back to the issue that he won’t be dropped. |
Cooper sees him as a talisman and that's fine but a Gylfi he is not. He is lazy but has a fantastic talent for dead ball kicks and it's hard to resist. It's ok if we can compensate. We need Smithy for that.He was on the bench wasn't he.
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:32 - Feb 21 with 1167 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 10:19 - Feb 21 by AndyCole |
His lack of athleticism was highlighted on the Villa forum, so no surprises.
What we needed in that AM space was a MGW high tempo high energy game changer.
CH adds nous, pedigree, professionalism, and a wicked wand of a left foot. Most importantly he gave us an injection of confidence.
Can see him sitting deeper, orchestrating, protected behind by Guehi (who’s a budding CDM) and Bennett’s positional prowess.
Grimes could be our AM, bundles of energy to bomb up and down, deft passer and excellent tackler to drive our high press.
We are fortunate to have the puzzle of how best to utilise such a talent. |
For me Hourihane has to be benched and used as an impact player. We can’t really afford a Gylfi in the championship- in the Premier league teams will give space and not be as competitive by the championship is another ball game.
There’s no excuse for a lack of desire and Korey Smith must have been thinking “WTF?” On the subs bench. A real nasty wake up call for the whole squad and Cooper who ignored the warnings from the Forest game.
Fulton has been unfairly criticized but if CH lack of effort doubles Fulton’s defensive work then he’s going to look knackered and jaded. |  |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:34 - Feb 21 with 1166 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:32 - Feb 21 by Brynmill_Jack |
For me Hourihane has to be benched and used as an impact player. We can’t really afford a Gylfi in the championship- in the Premier league teams will give space and not be as competitive by the championship is another ball game.
There’s no excuse for a lack of desire and Korey Smith must have been thinking “WTF?” On the subs bench. A real nasty wake up call for the whole squad and Cooper who ignored the warnings from the Forest game.
Fulton has been unfairly criticized but if CH lack of effort doubles Fulton’s defensive work then he’s going to look knackered and jaded. |
Smith to be fair has just come back from injury I don’t think he will be overly worried.
He will start Wednesday, I have a funny feeling it will be for Grimes aswell. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:55 - Feb 21 with 1154 views | angryjack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:28 - Feb 21 by Highjack |
He’s been good all season but at the moment he’s trapping the ball further than most people can kick it. |
All season? Maybe a purple patch mid games... | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:25 - Feb 21 with 1116 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:55 - Feb 21 by angryjack |
All season? Maybe a purple patch mid games... |
Yep, didn't start great, then looked a hell of a player and now like others have commented back to struggling with the basics. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:33 - Feb 21 with 1107 views | Catullus |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 11:29 - Feb 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Yeah the reality is Cooper will accommodate him, definitely.
Hourihane needs to repay that with goals, which in fairness he does when given chance but it also means the two next to him need to be able to put a massive shift in and yesterday Grimes/Fulton weren’t able to do that. |
That is the key thing for me, when the team is bouncing, when they have the energy we can carry Houri's lack of athleticism. What we saw yesterday was a flat team, no energy. We were slow everywhere and in that situation even MGW yesterday could have done nothing. It comes down to being overplayed for me. When players have needed a rest they haven't had one and now too many of them are flat.
I'm sure Coops will continue to pick Houri but he needs to rest 4/5 others and accept that could mean 2/3 weeks of poor results but hopefully we can get back to our best when players have had a break. Part of the reason our defence was so good was because they all defended and with energy, without energy we are vulnerable in defence and poor in attack. | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:49 - Feb 21 with 1094 views | swancity |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:33 - Feb 21 by Catullus |
That is the key thing for me, when the team is bouncing, when they have the energy we can carry Houri's lack of athleticism. What we saw yesterday was a flat team, no energy. We were slow everywhere and in that situation even MGW yesterday could have done nothing. It comes down to being overplayed for me. When players have needed a rest they haven't had one and now too many of them are flat.
I'm sure Coops will continue to pick Houri but he needs to rest 4/5 others and accept that could mean 2/3 weeks of poor results but hopefully we can get back to our best when players have had a break. Part of the reason our defence was so good was because they all defended and with energy, without energy we are vulnerable in defence and poor in attack. |
Hourihane is s skilful creative player. He’s not destructive or defensive. He’s fitted in very well here and has already contributed four league goals from his five/six? league games which is exceptional, three of them being very high in quality
I don’t buy this “lazy” player stuff as he’s certainly not. He is though an offensive minded midfielder with a left foot that’s already been used to devastating effect here. It’s all just about balance in the team isn’t it and SC has shown he’s more than capable of getting that balance right.
Players would prefer to play games than train. It’s a hectic schedule but they will be relishing it. None of them are in the veteran category, they’re all fit and raring to go except possibly Bennett now with his ongoing issue. And of course Morris sadly.
Re Hourihane there are no “cons”, it’s all good stuff. Yesterday was awful for everyone, it happens. Lots of over reaction too, that happens. | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:52 - Feb 21 with 1080 views | onehunglow |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:49 - Feb 21 by swancity |
Hourihane is s skilful creative player. He’s not destructive or defensive. He’s fitted in very well here and has already contributed four league goals from his five/six? league games which is exceptional, three of them being very high in quality
I don’t buy this “lazy” player stuff as he’s certainly not. He is though an offensive minded midfielder with a left foot that’s already been used to devastating effect here. It’s all just about balance in the team isn’t it and SC has shown he’s more than capable of getting that balance right.
Players would prefer to play games than train. It’s a hectic schedule but they will be relishing it. None of them are in the veteran category, they’re all fit and raring to go except possibly Bennett now with his ongoing issue. And of course Morris sadly.
Re Hourihane there are no “cons”, it’s all good stuff. Yesterday was awful for everyone, it happens. Lots of over reaction too, that happens. |
Overeaction works both ways.
Overloved underloved.
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:59 - Feb 21 with 1080 views | Dr_Parnassus |
He’s our Gylfi in many ways. 4 goals in 5 games and dangerous at set pieces but we suffer in other departments for that. That’s the trade off.
I’d prefer him in the side than out of it. |  |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 13:01 - Feb 21 with 1074 views | onehunglow |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:59 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s our Gylfi in many ways. 4 goals in 5 games and dangerous at set pieces but we suffer in other departments for that. That’s the trade off.
I’d prefer him in the side than out of it. |
Fair comment and as I see it. | |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 13:02 - Feb 21 with 1079 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 12:59 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s our Gylfi in many ways. 4 goals in 5 games and dangerous at set pieces but we suffer in other departments for that. That’s the trade off.
I’d prefer him in the side than out of it. |
So would i, its nice being a threat from deadball situations again, but the rest of the side has to be structured to accommodate that little luxury. | | | |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 21:41 - Feb 21 with 938 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
We are a poorer team when Conor Hourihane plays. |  |
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| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 21:51 - Feb 21 with 935 views | angryjack |
| Conor Hourihane : Pro’s and Con’s on 21:41 - Feb 21 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
We are a poorer team when Conor Hourihane plays. |
Tend to agree..he's a great footballer with the eye first time passes..but we carry him when we not in possession and others got do work of two..can be great if on top but tends to not do enough for me.can be out game for 89 minutes but pop up with goal..but needs do more for me | | | |
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