| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I 15:55 - Feb 17 with 3819 views | SwansIndependent |
 Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I can’t control that 17th Feb 2023 15:50Sometimes a headline is misleading, and other times people just read the few words that make up that headline. There’s plenty of those about especially on Twitter and Instagram. In Russell Martin’s case this morning he was edged in to answering questions on his Swansea future. It now seems some clever manipulation has been offered to suit the anti Russell Martin narrative, and regardless of our position or any opinion on his future, that’s really poor form.  0
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 18:16 - Feb 17 with 2125 views | max936 |
I just cannot see how he can continue beyond this season, it'll only make sense if as usual it comes down to finances, if he stays and recruitment doesn't improve and Martin doesn't improve his methods, we'll be looking down the barrel, IMO
Sadly, I'm unable to see how he can improve, I just don't see it myself, a parting of the ways looks nailed on to me. |  |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:22 - Feb 17 with 2055 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 18:16 - Feb 17 by max936 |
I just cannot see how he can continue beyond this season, it'll only make sense if as usual it comes down to finances, if he stays and recruitment doesn't improve and Martin doesn't improve his methods, we'll be looking down the barrel, IMO
Sadly, I'm unable to see how he can improve, I just don't see it myself, a parting of the ways looks nailed on to me. |
Here’s the rub as the big boys say.
He will get a contract if he agrees to a summer player budget that suits the Americans, plus a NDC regards future statements that could undermine the majority owners. And his contract increase is a minimal improvement to what he is on now. And that includes the rest of his staff.
Regardless of the basics of the contract, this will be his deal. It’s down to him to decide if it’s worth it. |  |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:29 - Feb 17 with 2044 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:22 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
Here’s the rub as the big boys say.
He will get a contract if he agrees to a summer player budget that suits the Americans, plus a NDC regards future statements that could undermine the majority owners. And his contract increase is a minimal improvement to what he is on now. And that includes the rest of his staff.
Regardless of the basics of the contract, this will be his deal. It’s down to him to decide if it’s worth it. |
On that basis, it looks like a new contract will be offered to him then ?
There'll be only one man and his Dog at the Liberty if that happens, I don't see him having the ability to change his tactic's he's got idealistic views on playing the game, but doesn't have the players to play that way and he's not gonna get them, he 's unable to sort out the defence, our defence is worse than a sieve, Dear Me. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:34 - Feb 17 with 2033 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:29 - Feb 17 by max936 |
On that basis, it looks like a new contract will be offered to him then ?
There'll be only one man and his Dog at the Liberty if that happens, I don't see him having the ability to change his tactic's he's got idealistic views on playing the game, but doesn't have the players to play that way and he's not gonna get them, he 's unable to sort out the defence, our defence is worse than a sieve, Dear Me. |
Dear God in heaven | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:41 - Feb 17 with 2018 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t think he will be offered one, simply because he doesn’t deserve one.
The owners will want their investment to work, which isn’t doing so under Russ. He seems determined to keep driving a wedge between himself and accountability.
They are smart men and will make the correct choice. |  |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:51 - Feb 17 with 2009 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:41 - Feb 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t think he will be offered one, simply because he doesn’t deserve one.
The owners will want their investment to work, which isn’t doing so under Russ. He seems determined to keep driving a wedge between himself and accountability.
They are smart men and will make the correct choice. |
Smarter still with their own money. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:52 - Feb 17 with 2002 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:34 - Feb 17 by onehunglow |
Dear God in heaven |
Money talks when it’s a signed contract that says you can’t mate. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:53 - Feb 17 with 1978 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:41 - Feb 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t think he will be offered one, simply because he doesn’t deserve one.
The owners will want their investment to work, which isn’t doing so under Russ. He seems determined to keep driving a wedge between himself and accountability.
They are smart men and will make the correct choice. |
But we are different Dr .
By now,most clubs in this league would have rid themselves of him.
Ive read Keith’s eloquent notice on this and feel,frankly,my time is up.
I will not go to see my team run by this man and I no longer look forward to games .
My wife and I have had quite a nasty exchange regarding me vis a vis the Swans ,as she’s put up with a lot in over forty years but this is worse for me personally. This is because when we didn’t have a pot romp in ,we knew it was unavoidable ,but this situation is easily reversible .
I have accepted failure and I am seriously very uncomfortable with this
In view of some posts made earlier,Inam not posting any more or at least for the foreseeable future
Matters haven’t been helped by the death of a good chum who was also a very long term fan . We will be unable to make his funeral and it’s really upset me . | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:54 - Feb 17 with 1973 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:53 - Feb 17 by onehunglow |
But we are different Dr .
By now,most clubs in this league would have rid themselves of him.
Ive read Keith’s eloquent notice on this and feel,frankly,my time is up.
I will not go to see my team run by this man and I no longer look forward to games .
My wife and I have had quite a nasty exchange regarding me vis a vis the Swans ,as she’s put up with a lot in over forty years but this is worse for me personally. This is because when we didn’t have a pot romp in ,we knew it was unavoidable ,but this situation is easily reversible .
I have accepted failure and I am seriously very uncomfortable with this
In view of some posts made earlier,Inam not posting any more or at least for the foreseeable future
Matters haven’t been helped by the death of a good chum who was also a very long term fan . We will be unable to make his funeral and it’s really upset me . |
Funerals don’t mean much, it’s the getting there that makes the memories. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:56 - Feb 17 with 1959 views | STID2017 |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:22 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
Here’s the rub as the big boys say.
He will get a contract if he agrees to a summer player budget that suits the Americans, plus a NDC regards future statements that could undermine the majority owners. And his contract increase is a minimal improvement to what he is on now. And that includes the rest of his staff.
Regardless of the basics of the contract, this will be his deal. It’s down to him to decide if it’s worth it. |
If he signs a contract with those constraints then he has only himself to blame.
Also no manager worth his salt would come here under such constraints.
I am all for balancing the books, but these owners are strangling the club with their fiscal tightness.
Only one way they will take us - and it isn't up |  |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:03 - Feb 17 with 1937 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:56 - Feb 17 by STID2017 |
If he signs a contract with those constraints then he has only himself to blame.
Also no manager worth his salt would come here under such constraints.
I am all for balancing the books, but these owners are strangling the club with their fiscal tightness.
Only one way they will take us - and it isn't up |
Do I really have to go through what they have put in, in relation to every other owner we have had again?
All for criticism if it’s warranted, but at the moment it’s like criticising Messi for not scoring enough in his career.
It’s just not representative of reality. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:07 - Feb 17 with 1939 views | pencoedjack |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:29 - Feb 17 by max936 |
On that basis, it looks like a new contract will be offered to him then ?
There'll be only one man and his Dog at the Liberty if that happens, I don't see him having the ability to change his tactic's he's got idealistic views on playing the game, but doesn't have the players to play that way and he's not gonna get them, he 's unable to sort out the defence, our defence is worse than a sieve, Dear Me. |
Agree
He can’t even use the loan market well.
He is a very poor stubborn manager who doesn’t learn by his mistakes. |  | | |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:17 - Feb 17 with 1927 views | max936 |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:56 - Feb 17 by STID2017 |
If he signs a contract with those constraints then he has only himself to blame.
Also no manager worth his salt would come here under such constraints.
I am all for balancing the books, but these owners are strangling the club with their fiscal tightness.
Only one way they will take us - and it isn't up |
I agree, we've regressed these last two season's our best chance of going up was with Cooper, but they wouldn't back him in that January and slowly but surely Coopers desire drifted away from him, they go on about returning to the Premier League and we and them had a cracking chance that year, but they wouldn't loosen the purse strings, yet their are still peddling the nonsense about getting back to the Premiership, paying us lip service plain and simple.. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:22 - Feb 17 with 1912 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:07 - Feb 17 by pencoedjack |
Agree
He can’t even use the loan market well.
He is a very poor stubborn manager who doesn’t learn by his mistakes. |
He is a frustrating manager, I find it hard to label him a poor one, although that is the standard he is showing so it is probably accurate.
But he has many good ingredients there.
His issue is that his basic knowledge of the game seems extremely thin. Tactical errors and huge gaping holes in the logic behind his system that he can’t seem to see.
If he went away to work with a real continental manager, learned from him so he actually understands what is needed in a possession and passing game. Then I’m sure he would come back a decent manager.
Then his belligerence and stubbornness would have a point to it and those traits would actually then become a positive. But when you have those traits behind a process that is fundamentally flawed, it becomes damaging.
That’s what we are seeing now. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:33 - Feb 17 with 1899 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:17 - Feb 17 by max936 |
I agree, we've regressed these last two season's our best chance of going up was with Cooper, but they wouldn't back him in that January and slowly but surely Coopers desire drifted away from him, they go on about returning to the Premier League and we and them had a cracking chance that year, but they wouldn't loosen the purse strings, yet their are still peddling the nonsense about getting back to the Premiership, paying us lip service plain and simple.. |
Our best chance was with Potter.
Ollie McBurnie
Dan James
Van der Hoorn
Joe Rodon
Conner Roberts
Leroy Fer
Martin Olsson
Then the usual Grimes, Naughton and Fulton mob.
10th was a shocking finish really. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 22:08 - Feb 17 with 1875 views | DJack |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:22 - Feb 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
He is a frustrating manager, I find it hard to label him a poor one, although that is the standard he is showing so it is probably accurate.
But he has many good ingredients there.
His issue is that his basic knowledge of the game seems extremely thin. Tactical errors and huge gaping holes in the logic behind his system that he can’t seem to see.
If he went away to work with a real continental manager, learned from him so he actually understands what is needed in a possession and passing game. Then I’m sure he would come back a decent manager.
Then his belligerence and stubbornness would have a point to it and those traits would actually then become a positive. But when you have those traits behind a process that is fundamentally flawed, it becomes damaging.
That’s what we are seeing now. |
Now that is a good post. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 17:39 - Feb 18 with 1680 views | guthrieintherain |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:22 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
Here’s the rub as the big boys say.
He will get a contract if he agrees to a summer player budget that suits the Americans, plus a NDC regards future statements that could undermine the majority owners. And his contract increase is a minimal improvement to what he is on now. And that includes the rest of his staff.
Regardless of the basics of the contract, this will be his deal. It’s down to him to decide if it’s worth it. |
Is that a hunch Keith or something more.
Don't expect you to reveal sources but if this is accurate it's dissappointing. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 17:41 - Feb 18 with 1671 views | BarrySwan |
"He is a frustrating manager, I find it hard to label him a poor one"
Why not let the rest of us do it for you then? | | | |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 18:18 - Feb 18 with 1590 views | KeithHaynes |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:22 - Feb 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
He is a frustrating manager, I find it hard to label him a poor one, although that is the standard he is showing so it is probably accurate.
But he has many good ingredients there.
His issue is that his basic knowledge of the game seems extremely thin. Tactical errors and huge gaping holes in the logic behind his system that he can’t seem to see.
If he went away to work with a real continental manager, learned from him so he actually understands what is needed in a possession and passing game. Then I’m sure he would come back a decent manager.
Then his belligerence and stubbornness would have a point to it and those traits would actually then become a positive. But when you have those traits behind a process that is fundamentally flawed, it becomes damaging.
That’s what we are seeing now. |
Flawed because of the players he has ? | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 00:17 - Feb 19 with 1448 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 18:18 - Feb 18 by KeithHaynes |
Flawed because of the players he has ? |
Certainly not.
Because it’s flawed by its very nature. There is a reason nobody else plays this way, even with the best players in the world at their disposal. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 06:35 - Feb 19 with 1386 views | angryjack |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 21:33 - Feb 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Our best chance was with Potter.
Ollie McBurnie
Dan James
Van der Hoorn
Joe Rodon
Conner Roberts
Leroy Fer
Martin Olsson
Then the usual Grimes, Naughton and Fulton mob.
10th was a shocking finish really. |
You got to remember it was mcburnie James rodon Connor Roberts first season up from u 23s and grimes second season. They had all been out on loan and struggled accept Roberts who done quite well at Yeovil,and grimes who was in and around first team..so potter was pushed into playing these players and got them playing..so now that sounds a great team but really it was a load of untried under 23s,potter done a great job.. | | | |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 06:50 - Feb 19 with 1360 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 06:35 - Feb 19 by angryjack |
You got to remember it was mcburnie James rodon Connor Roberts first season up from u 23s and grimes second season. They had all been out on loan and struggled accept Roberts who done quite well at Yeovil,and grimes who was in and around first team..so potter was pushed into playing these players and got them playing..so now that sounds a great team but really it was a load of untried under 23s,potter done a great job.. |
Not quite true.
McBurnie had 16 appearances in the Premier League for us and was on loan the season before, to Barnsley and scored 9 in 17 games, then went on to score 24 goals in 44 for us.
He was raring to go for us.
Dan James hit the ground running and people couldn’t handle him from the outset, he just wasn’t able to break in at the Premier League level due to the talent we had. Man City was interested in Rodon for a while.
These weren’t kids that we had no idea how they would do, they were all acquired with the intent for them to get us back up there should we be relegated and have to sell our first teamers.
Potter certainly underachieved. But with the fickle nature of football, people struggle to see past style of play. | |
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 08:27 - Feb 19 with 1294 views | BarryTownSwam |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:51 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
Smarter still with their own money. |
Our owners are certainly smart with their own money.
If they feel we aren’t likely to return their investment they’ll not rubber stamp a new contract for RM as it’ll be a poor investment of their money.
RM’s relationship with the owners looked to be frail. No backing in the Jan window (for whatever reason) may be due to worries about how RM will utilise any investment, and openly criticising his employers by wheeling out his entire staff to a press conference to plead “we are not to blame, I’ve seen how hard they work” will have infuriated the owners (as RM admitted).
Is it clever management by the owners to consistently turn the screw on RM so his position becomes obviously untenable? If they feel this season is a mid-table finish then ‘no harm done’ and we’ll force his hand towards resignation (or ‘mutual agreement’ as it’s termed)?
Either way, I feel RM has lost the support of the fans and owners are aware of this, which will ultimately provide them with the publicity digestible excuse the owners are probably IMO looking for.
But if we win the majority of our matches before the end of the season then RM will stay. So ultimately it’s in RM’s hands. Which is exactly how it is for all football managers - it’s a results game and results define your future career.
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| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 09:00 - Feb 19 with 1266 views | angryjack |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 06:50 - Feb 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not quite true.
McBurnie had 16 appearances in the Premier League for us and was on loan the season before, to Barnsley and scored 9 in 17 games, then went on to score 24 goals in 44 for us.
He was raring to go for us.
Dan James hit the ground running and people couldn’t handle him from the outset, he just wasn’t able to break in at the Premier League level due to the talent we had. Man City was interested in Rodon for a while.
These weren’t kids that we had no idea how they would do, they were all acquired with the intent for them to get us back up there should we be relegated and have to sell our first teamers.
Potter certainly underachieved. But with the fickle nature of football, people struggle to see past style of play. |
It is quite true.james went to Shrewsbury on loan and struggled ,rodon went to Cheltenham and couldn't get much game time..so what's your point ..as potter was forced to play untried youngsters who went to flourish for him.. | | | |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 09:25 - Feb 19 with 1242 views | Whiterockin |
| Russell Martin’s contract ? We will have to wait & see. It’s external. I on 20:22 - Feb 17 by KeithHaynes |
Here’s the rub as the big boys say.
He will get a contract if he agrees to a summer player budget that suits the Americans, plus a NDC regards future statements that could undermine the majority owners. And his contract increase is a minimal improvement to what he is on now. And that includes the rest of his staff.
Regardless of the basics of the contract, this will be his deal. It’s down to him to decide if it’s worth it. |
So would you say in your opinion, he is offered a new contract and its up to him if he signs. Failing that he sees out the remaining 16 months of his contract on current terms, unless he resigns. Ultimately the owners will not sack him. |  | | |
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