| Old v Young 09:02 - Feb 19 with 1684 views | KeithHaynes |
As an example I will use Peter Kay.
One of his routines used to be his grandmother walking back from town with a broken wrist carrying two shopping bags after a fall. Then ringing him to say she had hurt her wrist. He disclosed a while back that was actually true. My chat with cattulus the other day about older folk, his grandfather and mine got me thinking in general terms about today’s youth and the older generation when they were that age.
Has it gone wrong or is it the usual thing that today’s generation will never live up to older generations. Any thoughts ? Are today’s youngsters in the same mould ?
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| Old v Young on 09:46 - Feb 19 with 1096 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I have a view on this, my parents supported me while I grew up, as they grew old and frail I looked after them, I supported my kids growing up and one day they will be looking out for me. Everybody has challenges on their life, some unfortunately bigger than others. We look out for our elderly neighbours, more than ever in recent months. At this time many people are helping others.
But, there is s narrative that young people have it tough and older generations have it easier right now, who gains from creating these narratives? The only answer I can give you is politicians or the political motivated. When I left school unemployment was 16 percent, inflation in double figures and it took me many months to get my first job, nobody told me I had it tough, nobody told me to blame the previous generation we carried on as a. family and community. My children are millennials they have inherited from their grandparents, they used to travel a lot at low cost, they are healthy, they work hard and have homes, we talk about the things we are grateful for. At the end of the day living in the UK is a good deal when you look around the World. |  |
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| Old v Young on 10:06 - Feb 19 with 1083 views | 1983 |
Different people different world
The world has changed so quick for example take 20 years as a measuring stick
1970-1990 it was pretty much the same as in our way of living and how we acted and interacted, how we worked how we lived how we excepted sh1t just happens. But from 1990-2010 the world and people changed dramatically life is instant now peoples attitudes and options in life grew massively now you don't just put up with things and there's always somebody or something to blame things on.
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| Old v Young on 10:33 - Feb 19 with 1058 views | onehunglow |
I'll bite on this subject a I'm qualified more than most on here.
Firstly,the good ol days weren't.
Filthy dangerous often lethal jobs for men and hard boiled unrelenting toils for females whose use was primarily for bedroom or kitchen and then not to complain. It was her duty,reinforced by the Bible -the often only book in the house in non conformist Wales.
People felt more of a community only because they basically all had the same-nothing.It's why front doors were left open.My nan in Fleet St never even closed her door in daytime.
Class divide of which we hear much about was infinately larger.We are talking mansions /8 bedrooms including cellars for wine and servants quarters. This when the "workers" were rammed together literally with no hot running water and sanitation that was rather rudimentary. Where I live the evidence of class divide is stark. Its old money and the properties are often in still massive apartments. In Liverpool 8 these houses fell into disarray and were turned into hovels for Caribean immigrants mainly as they were so huge and therefore landlords could cram them in.. Awful Much of our historic housing is the reason why we have "ghettoes" where races still do not .
The computer has changed all as it has taken away the job that the less academic did. A lad could leave school even in 1966,get an apprenticeship ,a manual job,even an office boy from where he could actually progress. No chance these days of that as computer is doing that job for sure. Computer is biggest cause of unemployment world wide.
Respect for old people in Britain is shameful ;the worst in Europe.Our folk are often treated with contempt-look at these forums for proof. Our care home system is that which defines us.Spend 60 yrs working ,paying taxes and then sell your home for "care" by those on subsistence wages.For the privilige that'll be £1200 per week but don't worry,when your assets are down to 23k we won't take any more . Stay in the care home while your kids sell your home but the council will be sending you the bill when house is sold. Meanwhile,in the next bed is somebody who never paid anything in their life getting it free. Nice .
The young."Traumatised" and violated of human rights because they can't party,so much so they take to the nearest warehouse,leafy glade or urban craphole to swig vodka and smoke a joint. Good job they weren't at Dunkirk or Monte Casino.
I detest this country in many ways and wished I'd bailed out when I had the chance.
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| Old v Young on 10:46 - Feb 19 with 1054 views | Treforys_Jack |
Agree with all the above, the sense of self entitlement these days is unbelievable. It doesn't make for a better society. Pride is your local area and facilities seems non existent.
On the plus side everything is so easy, I lose track of the amount of times I "google" something on a daily basis. Virtually anything you want to watch or listen to is there at a click of a button.
I don't like social media and yes I do get the irony posting that on here. Anything good online seems buried in the avalanche of bad news and outraged left wing / right wing serial whiners, who are desperate to be offended, usually on behalf of someone else.
I feel privileged to have been born in the 1960's and was taught some valuable life lessons. My parents used an upside down packing crate for a dining table for months after moving into their first house whilst they saved enough to buy one. Only a small example but I feel a worthy one. |  | | |
| Old v Young on 11:03 - Feb 19 with 1043 views | Catullus |
There is definitley a narrative springing up that old equals wrong or bad. I saw it yesterday on the WOL, a story about the youtube channel "Voice of Wales" and maybe people should go read the story then read some of the comments.
One of those comments said something like "covid wasn't as lethal to the oldies as we'd hoped" and there are really childish and hateful comments by a user called credible threat.
My son thinks he has it hard if the internt cuts out. He'll face different challenges to me that's for sure but he hasn't got it harder than I did, for many reasons. Young people in general, do they think they have it hard. Some of them blame us older people, they do, but not all of them. Again I think it's the noisy minority.
I left school in 1984, times were hardly great then, high unemployment (3 million?), higher inflation and bamk base interest rates around 10%. I left school and took the first job I could get, I didn't think it was below me whereas today we have university educated youngsters who turn down jobs because it's below them.
In turn, I didn't have it as hard as my grandparents. My paternal grandad was a postman, the other grampy was a miner. The postman became Royal Marine Commando in the war, the miner had to stay down the mines. They had outside toilets, had to bathe in a tub in front of the coal fire (having to fetch coal in from the bunker using a scuttle) having boiled water on the stove to fill the tin tub up with. When I was 5 I was still bathing in that tin tub while we had our bathroom updated. I used to toast my bread in front of that fire on a toasting fork. My gran used to get up at 6am to clean the old fires ashes out and lay a new fire which was always burning brightly when I got up for school.
Young people do have their own problems, different to the ones us older people faced but we all had problems to overcome. Every generation has. The problems don't go away they just change and younger people would do well to recognise that. | |
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| Old v Young on 11:22 - Feb 19 with 1031 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Old v Young on 11:03 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
There is definitley a narrative springing up that old equals wrong or bad. I saw it yesterday on the WOL, a story about the youtube channel "Voice of Wales" and maybe people should go read the story then read some of the comments.
One of those comments said something like "covid wasn't as lethal to the oldies as we'd hoped" and there are really childish and hateful comments by a user called credible threat.
My son thinks he has it hard if the internt cuts out. He'll face different challenges to me that's for sure but he hasn't got it harder than I did, for many reasons. Young people in general, do they think they have it hard. Some of them blame us older people, they do, but not all of them. Again I think it's the noisy minority.
I left school in 1984, times were hardly great then, high unemployment (3 million?), higher inflation and bamk base interest rates around 10%. I left school and took the first job I could get, I didn't think it was below me whereas today we have university educated youngsters who turn down jobs because it's below them.
In turn, I didn't have it as hard as my grandparents. My paternal grandad was a postman, the other grampy was a miner. The postman became Royal Marine Commando in the war, the miner had to stay down the mines. They had outside toilets, had to bathe in a tub in front of the coal fire (having to fetch coal in from the bunker using a scuttle) having boiled water on the stove to fill the tin tub up with. When I was 5 I was still bathing in that tin tub while we had our bathroom updated. I used to toast my bread in front of that fire on a toasting fork. My gran used to get up at 6am to clean the old fires ashes out and lay a new fire which was always burning brightly when I got up for school.
Young people do have their own problems, different to the ones us older people faced but we all had problems to overcome. Every generation has. The problems don't go away they just change and younger people would do well to recognise that. |
A tin tub in front of the fire, bah you had it easy, we lived in cardboard box in middle of road. | | | |
| Old v Young on 11:29 - Feb 19 with 1028 views | Catullus |
| Old v Young on 11:22 - Feb 19 by Treforys_Jack |
A tin tub in front of the fire, bah you had it easy, we lived in cardboard box in middle of road. |
You had a road...LUXURY, we had a muddy track and it went straight through our living room. | |
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| Old v Young on 11:36 - Feb 19 with 1026 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Old v Young on 11:29 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
You had a road...LUXURY, we had a muddy track and it went straight through our living room. |
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| Old v Young on 12:09 - Feb 19 with 1002 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The biggest single problem involving the young is their sense of entitlement.
They want whatever they want and the want it NOW or better still yesterday.
Unfortunately apprenticeships went when most industry was outsourced, not that many wanted to work for the pittance that you had to start on. | | | |
| Old v Young on 13:29 - Feb 19 with 967 views | onehunglow |
| Old v Young on 10:46 - Feb 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Agree with all the above, the sense of self entitlement these days is unbelievable. It doesn't make for a better society. Pride is your local area and facilities seems non existent.
On the plus side everything is so easy, I lose track of the amount of times I "google" something on a daily basis. Virtually anything you want to watch or listen to is there at a click of a button.
I don't like social media and yes I do get the irony posting that on here. Anything good online seems buried in the avalanche of bad news and outraged left wing / right wing serial whiners, who are desperate to be offended, usually on behalf of someone else.
I feel privileged to have been born in the 1960's and was taught some valuable life lessons. My parents used an upside down packing crate for a dining table for months after moving into their first house whilst they saved enough to buy one. Only a small example but I feel a worthy one. |
Tref.
In peace,I was born 1950 and my family were relatively well off although hard workers.
We had a family business but my paternal gran had a dog's life nonetheless due to religiously influenced domestic duties.It s why I am deeply antagonistic to any religion which kill-all of them.
My materal gran had nowt and looked after a crippled husband and 4 brothers living in next street in Sandfields,2 of these were injured during the war and the others worked for a pittance
Women ,dont forget ,had to wash nappies by hand apart from anything else and hot water was from an open fire.
It was a dangerous working life and we are well rid of those days | |
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| Old v Young on 13:46 - Feb 19 with 961 views | Catullus |
| Old v Young on 13:29 - Feb 19 by onehunglow |
Tref.
In peace,I was born 1950 and my family were relatively well off although hard workers.
We had a family business but my paternal gran had a dog's life nonetheless due to religiously influenced domestic duties.It s why I am deeply antagonistic to any religion which kill-all of them.
My materal gran had nowt and looked after a crippled husband and 4 brothers living in next street in Sandfields,2 of these were injured during the war and the others worked for a pittance
Women ,dont forget ,had to wash nappies by hand apart from anything else and hot water was from an open fire.
It was a dangerous working life and we are well rid of those days |
That's the point though, OHL, isn't it. When young people feel hard done by, it's all relative. Things have improved so much for so many people what is seen as a hardship now would be seen as easy back in the 50's and 60's.
I cannot imagine my sons rection if I dragged a metal tub out, started boiling the kettle to fill it and said there's your bath. He laughed at me when I told him we'd had an outside toilet and when I went out I needed change for a phone box for if I needed to phone home, whats a phone box he said?
When he says he's bored, he has Xbox and PS, the internet and a mobile. He spends all day talking to his friends or watching youtube.
It's a different world and a lot of young people don't seem to appreciate how much different their lives are to the ones anybody over 45/50 experienced. In the same way how can I really appreciat how much different and harder it was 50 years before I was born.
The game changer for me is when younger people start blaming us older lot for the way their lives are. They should be thanking us for having it so easy!
If young people don't like the way the world is then change it but don't blame the people who fed and clothed them. We all had problems. | |
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| Old v Young on 13:58 - Feb 19 with 955 views | onehunglow |
| Old v Young on 13:46 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
That's the point though, OHL, isn't it. When young people feel hard done by, it's all relative. Things have improved so much for so many people what is seen as a hardship now would be seen as easy back in the 50's and 60's.
I cannot imagine my sons rection if I dragged a metal tub out, started boiling the kettle to fill it and said there's your bath. He laughed at me when I told him we'd had an outside toilet and when I went out I needed change for a phone box for if I needed to phone home, whats a phone box he said?
When he says he's bored, he has Xbox and PS, the internet and a mobile. He spends all day talking to his friends or watching youtube.
It's a different world and a lot of young people don't seem to appreciate how much different their lives are to the ones anybody over 45/50 experienced. In the same way how can I really appreciat how much different and harder it was 50 years before I was born.
The game changer for me is when younger people start blaming us older lot for the way their lives are. They should be thanking us for having it so easy!
If young people don't like the way the world is then change it but don't blame the people who fed and clothed them. We all had problems. |
Cracking reply S ir.
By Jove,you're a national treasure.
Let's get a room and start a daisy chain. | |
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| Old v Young on 14:31 - Feb 19 with 936 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Old v Young on 13:46 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
That's the point though, OHL, isn't it. When young people feel hard done by, it's all relative. Things have improved so much for so many people what is seen as a hardship now would be seen as easy back in the 50's and 60's.
I cannot imagine my sons rection if I dragged a metal tub out, started boiling the kettle to fill it and said there's your bath. He laughed at me when I told him we'd had an outside toilet and when I went out I needed change for a phone box for if I needed to phone home, whats a phone box he said?
When he says he's bored, he has Xbox and PS, the internet and a mobile. He spends all day talking to his friends or watching youtube.
It's a different world and a lot of young people don't seem to appreciate how much different their lives are to the ones anybody over 45/50 experienced. In the same way how can I really appreciat how much different and harder it was 50 years before I was born.
The game changer for me is when younger people start blaming us older lot for the way their lives are. They should be thanking us for having it so easy!
If young people don't like the way the world is then change it but don't blame the people who fed and clothed them. We all had problems. |
Good post cats, pressures today are there but they're different pressures. There's a programme on BBC iplayer , the making of Wales or something similar, goes way back, but for me, seeing how our working class families survived back from the 1750's - to early 1900's is scary shite and makes me very grateful to have been born when I was. | | | |
| Old v Young on 14:45 - Feb 19 with 931 views | onehunglow |
| Old v Young on 14:31 - Feb 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Good post cats, pressures today are there but they're different pressures. There's a programme on BBC iplayer , the making of Wales or something similar, goes way back, but for me, seeing how our working class families survived back from the 1750's - to early 1900's is scary shite and makes me very grateful to have been born when I was. |
Tref.
Went out on a bike ride yesterday and saw a house nearby for sale.
8 bedrooms,cellar,4 stories,tennis courts,3 car garages. Gardens the size of Underhill Park.
Former property of a ship's captain.
Being a nosey basturd I started speaking to the person resident next door who was supervising the gardener trimming the hedge.
The house had a staff of 6 and all were local girls and also employed was a handyman /driver.
All lived in their own quarters at the house and apparently ,they were happy to be in service,as they were fed,watered and employed when many were not. They were treated well enough but the chasm socially was Grand Canyon size. 100 deference was the order of the day;they knew their place. It would have been traumatic for our babes of today.
It made me think anyway | |
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| Old v Young on 16:22 - Feb 19 with 906 views | Lohengrin |
Old and young? Then and now? Was the generation that fought the Great War an altogether hardier, more adventurous breed than today’s school leaver?
Have a quick read of the great man’s recruitment ad and tell me how quick you think many of the computer game-playing, bedroom-dwelling generation would be to sign up?  
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| Old v Young on 16:30 - Feb 19 with 898 views | Catullus |
| Old v Young on 16:22 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Old and young? Then and now? Was the generation that fought the Great War an altogether hardier, more adventurous breed than today’s school leaver?
Have a quick read of the great man’s recruitment ad and tell me how quick you think many of the computer game-playing, bedroom-dwelling generation would be to sign up?
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Todays school leaver can travel the world without leaving their bedroom, that is the difference.
In Shackletons' day Mohammed went to the mountain. These days kids think it's the end of the world if their "ping" is too high or their online game lags. | |
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| Old v Young on 16:42 - Feb 19 with 887 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Old v Young on 16:22 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Old and young? Then and now? Was the generation that fought the Great War an altogether hardier, more adventurous breed than today’s school leaver?
Have a quick read of the great man’s recruitment ad and tell me how quick you think many of the computer game-playing, bedroom-dwelling generation would be to sign up?
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Oh Loh, if that was real he’d surely have spelled it correctly... | | | |
| Old v Young on 16:56 - Feb 19 with 878 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Old v Young on 11:29 - Feb 19 by Catullus |
You had a road...LUXURY, we had a muddy track and it went straight through our living room. |
You had a living room?
We’d have given our right arms for a living room.
There does seem to be a lot of blame on us older people these days or maybe I’m more sensitive to it being an oldie.
It seems that Brexit was the “fault” of the older generation, presumably even those who voted remain. Maybe if the young had managed to get off their collective arses and voted in similar proportions to the old they might have got what they wanted? No WiFi in polling booths to google how to exercise the right to vote that their forebears fought to establish I suppose. |  |
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| Old v Young on 07:42 - Feb 20 with 781 views | trampie |
I wouldn't mix up the war generation with their children that was born during the war or just after, those people voted Thatcher and Blair in huge numbers, me me me types. |  |
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| Old v Young on 09:39 - Feb 20 with 741 views | onehunglow |
| Old v Young on 16:56 - Feb 19 by Joe_bradshaw |
You had a living room?
We’d have given our right arms for a living room.
There does seem to be a lot of blame on us older people these days or maybe I’m more sensitive to it being an oldie.
It seems that Brexit was the “fault” of the older generation, presumably even those who voted remain. Maybe if the young had managed to get off their collective arses and voted in similar proportions to the old they might have got what they wanted? No WiFi in polling booths to google how to exercise the right to vote that their forebears fought to establish I suppose. |
You had a room.
That's nowt.We sat outside in back yard | |
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| Old v Young on 09:48 - Feb 20 with 738 views | Boundy |
| Old v Young on 07:42 - Feb 20 by trampie |
I wouldn't mix up the war generation with their children that was born during the war or just after, those people voted Thatcher and Blair in huge numbers, me me me types. |
I voted Blair in for his first term, after 18 years of Thatcher/Tory rule who wouldn't have does that make me a me me type, i don't think no I'll correct that ,I know I'm not. | |
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| Old v Young on 09:53 - Feb 20 with 731 views | onehunglow |
I vote as how I see things ,boundy.
It might be labour Conservative Lib
I decide.Nobody else | |
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| Old v Young on 11:29 - Feb 20 with 706 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Old v Young on 09:48 - Feb 20 by Boundy |
I voted Blair in for his first term, after 18 years of Thatcher/Tory rule who wouldn't have does that make me a me me type, i don't think no I'll correct that ,I know I'm not. |
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| Old v Young on 11:53 - Feb 20 with 691 views | Boundy |
| Old v Young on 09:53 - Feb 20 by onehunglow |
I vote as how I see things ,boundy.
It might be labour Conservative Lib
I decide.Nobody else |
As is your and everyone else's right , I'm no particular lover of labour now but in my younger days bright eyed and wanting the right the injustices perceived or real then it was labour that I considered the party of the working class. Those distinctions are now blurred . I can understand why Drakefords lowered the voting age for Mays elections same as B;lauir open door policy on immigration , to maintain power | |
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