| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton 10:25 - Sep 23 with 2914 views | SwansIndependent |
Russell Martin on last night above
Subscribe to us on Twitter below
This post has been edited by an administrator |  | | |  |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 10:30 - Sep 23 with 1685 views | onehunglow |
Sorry Boss but let me be the first.
AND LOST
Here we have another example of pure horse radish being spouted in the hope our fans will swallow this crepe.
We have lost again.
Martin whines about players not match fit then benches them.
Fine words do not points make and it clearly is all about Russ
My God ,what an appointment we made. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 10:30]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 10:59 - Sep 23 with 1644 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 10:30 - Sep 23 by onehunglow |
Sorry Boss but let me be the first.
AND LOST
Here we have another example of pure horse radish being spouted in the hope our fans will swallow this crepe.
We have lost again.
Martin whines about players not match fit then benches them.
Fine words do not points make and it clearly is all about Russ
My God ,what an appointment we made. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 10:30]
|
Yep, an exciting young manager whose stamp on the club is starting to show through.
Looking forward to Saturday, fully fit squad to choose from, and 3 points |  |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 10:59 - Sep 23 with 1642 views | NotLoyal |
We have to hang in there, things are getting better. |  |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 11:04 - Sep 23 with 1605 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I would feel far better about things if he came out and said it wasn't good enough and he should have played a more familiar side.
You wouldn't have to look too far for another manager to be slated if he had said that after losing a game to Brighton reserves. |  |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 11:32 - Sep 23 with 1540 views | Boundy |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 11:04 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
I would feel far better about things if he came out and said it wasn't good enough and he should have played a more familiar side.
You wouldn't have to look too far for another manager to be slated if he had said that after losing a game to Brighton reserves. |
Which ever way you dress it up essentially in the main it was our reserves v theirs | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 12:04 - Sep 23 with 1501 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 11:32 - Sep 23 by Boundy |
Which ever way you dress it up essentially in the main it was our reserves v theirs |
Not really, it was a weakened side vs a reserve side.
Half our players can expect to be in the mix to start the next game. The other half can expect to play some part.
As for Brighton none of them can expect to start the next game and probably 2 of the 11 may expect to play some part.
The point being of course we didn’t need to play a side like that. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:08 - Sep 23 with 1438 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 12:04 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not really, it was a weakened side vs a reserve side.
Half our players can expect to be in the mix to start the next game. The other half can expect to play some part.
As for Brighton none of them can expect to start the next game and probably 2 of the 11 may expect to play some part.
The point being of course we didn’t need to play a side like that. |
Almost everyone of the teams in the competition are using the cup to give squad players and youngsters some game time. Whiittaker, Cullen, Cooper B, Benda, Latbibeaudire need game time to develop. |  |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:19 - Sep 23 with 1414 views | angryjack |
It's coming together slowly,,probably needs another transfer window for him get the right players in,,patience is the key.. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:20 - Sep 23 with 1414 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 11:04 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
I would feel far better about things if he came out and said it wasn't good enough and he should have played a more familiar side.
You wouldn't have to look too far for another manager to be slated if he had said that after losing a game to Brighton reserves. |
The object of the exercise is not to make you "feel a lot better". He is clearly trying to make the players "feel a lot better". Martin has to keep the Swansea fan base on side of course but Swansea fans have been here before.
Expecting Korey Smith to tuck away chances efficiently is a little hopeful. He has scored 6 goals in his 14 year long career. Worse than Leon Britton.
His narrative is that they are manfully struggling to adopt his methods after several seasons of pragmatism and it is not easy. Covid disturbed pre season and lack of fitness for new signings are reasons for the struggle. This seems logical to me.
This reasoning is valid for 3-4 more weeks and then a string of good results at going to be expected with clear signs of progress. Recruitment this season looks like a level above previous seasons excluding elite loans. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:27 - Sep 23 with 1405 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 10:30 - Sep 23 by onehunglow |
Sorry Boss but let me be the first.
AND LOST
Here we have another example of pure horse radish being spouted in the hope our fans will swallow this crepe.
We have lost again.
Martin whines about players not match fit then benches them.
Fine words do not points make and it clearly is all about Russ
My God ,what an appointment we made. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 10:30]
|
When was the last time a non Premier league Swansea team beat a Premier league team (or first division team) away from home?
West ham was at home at the Vetch. 3-2 v Spurs under Toshack perhaps 1980. Last time Swansea beat Spurs actually.
Yes it as a loss but a spirited performance. Chances were created.
You had written off Walsh expecting him to feature rarely and then getting paid off due to his repetitive injuries. 2 or 3 outing under his belt since those words. Do you no think you are a little on the overly pessimistic side.? | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:33 - Sep 23 with 1388 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:20 - Sep 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The object of the exercise is not to make you "feel a lot better". He is clearly trying to make the players "feel a lot better". Martin has to keep the Swansea fan base on side of course but Swansea fans have been here before.
Expecting Korey Smith to tuck away chances efficiently is a little hopeful. He has scored 6 goals in his 14 year long career. Worse than Leon Britton.
His narrative is that they are manfully struggling to adopt his methods after several seasons of pragmatism and it is not easy. Covid disturbed pre season and lack of fitness for new signings are reasons for the struggle. This seems logical to me.
This reasoning is valid for 3-4 more weeks and then a string of good results at going to be expected with clear signs of progress. Recruitment this season looks like a level above previous seasons excluding elite loans. |
I didn’t suggest he was trying to make me feel better, I stated a fact on what version of reality would as opposed to the constant misdirection.
He has his own players, there is no need to use players he feels have become “use to pragmatism”. We scored far more and created far more at this point in the last two seasons than we are today, so not even sure that excuse holds too much water.
Why is it only valid for 3-4 weeks? That is not an accepted and proven time limit is it?
It is simply acceptable in your mind. Which is no different to other peoples time thresholds that these kinds of excuses are valid. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:46 - Sep 23 with 1364 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:27 - Sep 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
When was the last time a non Premier league Swansea team beat a Premier league team (or first division team) away from home?
West ham was at home at the Vetch. 3-2 v Spurs under Toshack perhaps 1980. Last time Swansea beat Spurs actually.
Yes it as a loss but a spirited performance. Chances were created.
You had written off Walsh expecting him to feature rarely and then getting paid off due to his repetitive injuries. 2 or 3 outing under his belt since those words. Do you no think you are a little on the overly pessimistic side.? |
Possibly yeah but no more than the over optimistic ones who have only hope rather than evidence to trust in Russ | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 14:18 - Sep 23 with 1325 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:46 - Sep 23 by onehunglow |
Possibly yeah but no more than the over optimistic ones who have only hope rather than evidence to trust in Russ |
The question is a fallacy, incredibly specific to a point where any examples are incomparable.
In terms of Premier League opposition, away, outside the Premier League… it would take us to a time where we have had a completely different team. The examples of us even having the opportunity too would be far to sparse.
The real question should be ‘could we have beaten a largely Brighton youth team’. The answer is a resounding yes had we played a team that resembled the one we would play in the league.
Whether a League 2 Swansea team drew away to West Ham a quarter of a century ago doesn’t have any baring on whether we should have beaten a largely Brighton youth team. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 14:19]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 14:58 - Sep 23 with 1285 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 13:20 - Sep 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The object of the exercise is not to make you "feel a lot better". He is clearly trying to make the players "feel a lot better". Martin has to keep the Swansea fan base on side of course but Swansea fans have been here before.
Expecting Korey Smith to tuck away chances efficiently is a little hopeful. He has scored 6 goals in his 14 year long career. Worse than Leon Britton.
His narrative is that they are manfully struggling to adopt his methods after several seasons of pragmatism and it is not easy. Covid disturbed pre season and lack of fitness for new signings are reasons for the struggle. This seems logical to me.
This reasoning is valid for 3-4 more weeks and then a string of good results at going to be expected with clear signs of progress. Recruitment this season looks like a level above previous seasons excluding elite loans. |
THis is what MK DOns have been saying about Martin....yes like when MArtinez left it left a sour taste and many of our fans posted negatives but any similarities seen here to pur current football and last seasons DOns?
I was never convinced that we would have had a strong season under Martin this year. His style of play would never have allowed for it. Way too focused on just keeping the ball, rather than actually doing anything with it. The reason why I was annoyed, is he brought himself time here by continuously saying the team was a work in progress and then jumping ship just before the season, where it was all supposed to click, was about to start.
I'm convinced that eventually Martin will be found out as a fraud. He is extremely good with a camera pointed in front of him and will always say what he thinks the fans want to hear. You just have to look at his interviews so far with Swansea and they are almost creaming themselves over what he says, rather than judging him on results. I've seen some of their fans actually say that they are so impressed with him, that they'd accept relegation in his first season, after getting to the play off final last year! Fair play to Martin, he is one hell of a con artist. If you look at their first few games, they've had all the possession and done pretty much sod all with it, while the opposition have created more chances.
I have enjoyed the 4 games under Manning far more than probably any game under Martin. We have played with a purpose, rather than aimlessly passing it around at the back. I'm convinced Martin only played that way to get the country talking about our style of play and how much possession we were having (multiple articles were written about it). From an outsiders point of view, it looks impressive, but really, we almost got relegated in his first season and finished a disappointing 13th (given the squad we had) in his second. Only Danny Wilson (2004-2008) and Dan Micciche (2018) have a worst win rate than Martin, out of all the permanent managers in our history. Tell me this guy is not a fraud.
It wont be long before Swansea get real tired of possession based football that creates 1-2 chances a game.
But time to move on for us. Him having a good or bad season is meaningless.
I do feel the brand of football he plays is the best way to get his name out and get us the top of stats lists which are going to make him an attractive hire. It's also attractive for players to come and play here to showcase their abilities and get a move up the pyramid. But as you've said i much prefer this more slightly direct style that Manning seems to be playing and we're clearly not going to struggle to score goals this season. I'll happily take a few goal kicks going straight through to the opposition keeper if it means i can be as entertained as i have been so far this season. Playing the ball around on the deck to consume time when needed but still trying to play through the lines quickly when a gaps there to be exploited I'm more than happy with and combine that with every league game this season being a fantastic advert for league 1 football i think the reduced season tickets are going to be well worth the money.
So refreshing and enjoyable to watch us not force playing out from the back. Under Russ, Fish would have passed to Darling and then tried to find another ground pass. Now Fish seems encouraged to play a long ball if needed. He still comes out a fair bit with the ball, but we don't have that rigid pattern of play which, lets be honest, caused a few near misses and goals last season.
Ultimately, we're more positive and assertive pushing forward instead of aimlessly passing in midfield just for the sake of possession, but also more careful at the back taking less risks and using common sense over playing strictly out from the back.
Best of both worlds. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:07 - Sep 23 with 1269 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 14:18 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
The question is a fallacy, incredibly specific to a point where any examples are incomparable.
In terms of Premier League opposition, away, outside the Premier League… it would take us to a time where we have had a completely different team. The examples of us even having the opportunity too would be far to sparse.
The real question should be ‘could we have beaten a largely Brighton youth team’. The answer is a resounding yes had we played a team that resembled the one we would play in the league.
Whether a League 2 Swansea team drew away to West Ham a quarter of a century ago doesn’t have any baring on whether we should have beaten a largely Brighton youth team. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 14:19]
|
Factually incorrect i m afraid.
Brighton team included four full internationals in Moder (Poland) , Connolly (RoI) and McAlister (Argentina) Alzate (Columbia) . Young men 22-24 admittedly but with international experience each with upto 6-8 caps.
Lamptey is seen as a potential England international released by Chelsea but very highly rated . Eligible for Ghana.
Steele, Dan Burn, Gross and Locadia are very experienced players the latter two with years playing in Europe.
4 kids Roberts, Leonard, Richards and Turns qualify as inexperienced kids. 4 out of the 13 or 14 involved.
I would not take the testimony of an anonymous MK Dons fan as the guiding light for Swansea.
Thomas Frank started poorly for Brentford and was still getting mixed results by Boxing day when a Routledge inspired Swansea strolled to a 3-0 halftime lead you may remember. Doubts were being cast. They improved dramatically after that but still came a cropper to a dan James inspired Swansea twice 4-1 (FA cup) and 3-0. Potter leaft and since then Coopeball never beat Frank. You will remember in the FA cup tie Brentford had actually played very well but were just undone by top drawer pace. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 15:13]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:13 - Sep 23 with 1243 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:07 - Sep 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Factually incorrect i m afraid.
Brighton team included four full internationals in Moder (Poland) , Connolly (RoI) and McAlister (Argentina) Alzate (Columbia) . Young men 22-24 admittedly but with international experience each with upto 6-8 caps.
Lamptey is seen as a potential England international released by Chelsea but very highly rated . Eligible for Ghana.
Steele, Dan Burn, Gross and Locadia are very experienced players the latter two with years playing in Europe.
4 kids Roberts, Leonard, Richards and Turns qualify as inexperienced kids. 4 out of the 13 or 14 involved.
I would not take the testimony of an anonymous MK Dons fan as the guiding light for Swansea.
Thomas Frank started poorly for Brentford and was still getting mixed results by Boxing day when a Routledge inspired Swansea strolled to a 3-0 halftime lead you may remember. Doubts were being cast. They improved dramatically after that but still came a cropper to a dan James inspired Swansea twice 4-1 (FA cup) and 3-0. Potter leaft and since then Coopeball never beat Frank. You will remember in the FA cup tie Brentford had actually played very well but were just undone by top drawer pace. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 15:13]
|
Which part is factually incorrect?
Lamptey is a fantastic young right back yes. Coming back from injury, I think it was his first game of the season. But will struggle to displace Veltman this season.
Even including him, they have 2 starts between them this season. Most are 21 or younger, 4 of which are teenagers.
Our team had 40+ league appearances between them and 30+ starts.
This reminds me of when people were trying to convince themselves the Reading Cup side was like a Championship side, despite half the side was 17 years old playing their first professional game.
Not really sure what your post is proving exactly, other than what I said was true. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 15:26]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:26 - Sep 23 with 1215 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:13 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Which part is factually incorrect?
Lamptey is a fantastic young right back yes. Coming back from injury, I think it was his first game of the season. But will struggle to displace Veltman this season.
Even including him, they have 2 starts between them this season. Most are 21 or younger, 4 of which are teenagers.
Our team had 40+ league appearances between them and 30+ starts.
This reminds me of when people were trying to convince themselves the Reading Cup side was like a Championship side, despite half the side was 17 years old playing their first professional game.
Not really sure what your post is proving exactly, other than what I said was true. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 15:26]
|
Your characterisation that Brighton were "largely a youth team" is questionable. 4 youth players out of the 14 used.
10 of the other players were either vastly experienced in Europe and English leagues or actual full internationals with more than 5 or 6 caps. Lamptey is seen as an exceptional prospect.
Connolly and McAllister have over 40 games in the Premier league and McAllister similar games in the top Argentinian leagues despite both being only 22. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:35 - Sep 23 with 1189 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 15:26 - Sep 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Your characterisation that Brighton were "largely a youth team" is questionable. 4 youth players out of the 14 used.
10 of the other players were either vastly experienced in Europe and English leagues or actual full internationals with more than 5 or 6 caps. Lamptey is seen as an exceptional prospect.
Connolly and McAllister have over 40 games in the Premier league and McAllister similar games in the top Argentinian leagues despite both being only 22. |
It’s not questionable, it’s simply a fact.
Zero of the 11 are starting first team players. Most are aged 21 or under.
They have 2 Premier League starts this season between all 11 of them.
If you want to disagree because Locadia, Gross and another 18 year old youth player came off the bench when already 2-0 down then be my guest. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 15:39]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:06 - Sep 23 with 1131 views | jasper_T |
Dan Burn played 27 times in the PL last season, 34 games the season before. But yeah let's lump him in as one of the kids because he's only had 20 minutes in the first 5 games this season. | | | |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:08 - Sep 23 with 1128 views | swan_si |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:06 - Sep 23 by jasper_T |
Dan Burn played 27 times in the PL last season, 34 games the season before. But yeah let's lump him in as one of the kids because he's only had 20 minutes in the first 5 games this season. |
Facts only please.  |  | | |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:22 - Sep 23 with 1095 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:06 - Sep 23 by jasper_T |
Dan Burn played 27 times in the PL last season, 34 games the season before. But yeah let's lump him in as one of the kids because he's only had 20 minutes in the first 5 games this season. |
Where did I mention Burn?
I said most of the team is made up of youths. Please read what people say before responding, some of us are very careful with our words to avoid this nonsense, which is why we concentrate on facts.
Changing what I say and then arguing against that fantasy sentence only wastes your own time. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:23 - Sep 23 with 1094 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:08 - Sep 23 by swan_si |
Facts only please. |
Indeed.
Fantasy free zone for at least one day would be nice.
Respond to what was said, not what you prefer was said is the best advice I can give. | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:34 - Sep 23 with 1087 views | Catullus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 12:04 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not really, it was a weakened side vs a reserve side.
Half our players can expect to be in the mix to start the next game. The other half can expect to play some part.
As for Brighton none of them can expect to start the next game and probably 2 of the 11 may expect to play some part.
The point being of course we didn’t need to play a side like that. |
Of the Brighton matchday squad 8 of them were involved the weekend before against Leicester, on the bench yes but invovled.
Lamptey, Burn, Richards, Alzate, Connolly, MacAliister, Moder and Mwepu. They were invovled against Leicesster so why do you think only 2 of the squad (well starting 11, did you leave the bench out so you could make it more negative?) will play some part next time?
Why did we not need to play a side like that? Do you not think the league is more important right now? | |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:38 - Sep 23 with 1074 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:34 - Sep 23 by Catullus |
Of the Brighton matchday squad 8 of them were involved the weekend before against Leicester, on the bench yes but invovled.
Lamptey, Burn, Richards, Alzate, Connolly, MacAliister, Moder and Mwepu. They were invovled against Leicesster so why do you think only 2 of the squad (well starting 11, did you leave the bench out so you could make it more negative?) will play some part next time?
Why did we not need to play a side like that? Do you not think the league is more important right now? |
That’s not really “involved” is it, that’s just word games. They put a tracksuit on and sat down you mean?
2 starts between the 11 this season, 13 appearances between them of various minutes.
I left out the bench because we didn’t play the bench. We were already 2-0 down before a single sub came on. If Messi had signed and sat on the bench all night, do you really think people could say with a straight face “we only lost 2-0 against a team with Messi in it, we did well”. No.
31 starts for us between our 11, 41 appearances.
One was a reserve/youth side, the other was half a first team, half a rotation team. Some of the people claiming we lost to a team 4th in the Premier League are kidding themselves with rhetoric.
As for the league being important, we aren’t in any position to be going for promotion and we are told we are no risk of relegation, so I would say if everyone believes such a thing then the cups could be vital for our progression bringing in vital extra finances. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 16:49]
| |
| |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:50 - Sep 23 with 1039 views | Catullus |
| Swansea City were brave, exciting, outstanding and aggressive against Brighton on 16:38 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s not really “involved” is it, that’s just word games. They put a tracksuit on and sat down you mean?
2 starts between the 11 this season, 13 appearances between them of various minutes.
I left out the bench because we didn’t play the bench. We were already 2-0 down before a single sub came on. If Messi had signed and sat on the bench all night, do you really think people could say with a straight face “we only lost 2-0 against a team with Messi in it, we did well”. No.
31 starts for us between our 11, 41 appearances.
One was a reserve/youth side, the other was half a first team, half a rotation team. Some of the people claiming we lost to a team 4th in the Premier League are kidding themselves with rhetoric.
As for the league being important, we aren’t in any position to be going for promotion and we are told we are no risk of relegation, so I would say if everyone believes such a thing then the cups could be vital for our progression bringing in vital extra finances. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 16:49]
|
Of course being on the bench is being invovled, ask any player, at any level. If they are not involved then why are they wearing a kit and prepared to go on? Regardless, Potter rates them highly enough that he would use them in the EPL or can you think of another reason why he'd have them as subs?
Maybe they are there to sweep the stands down afterwards?
Whatever next, will you be saying you didn't enjoy a win because of the performance?
And you call others trolls  | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
