| The Covid inquiry 17:20 - Oct 30 with 9160 views | SullutaCreturned |
Quite surprised theres not already a thread but here we go, nothing we didn't already know or at least suspect but todays evidnce,
Martin Reynolds - who headed the private office of the prime minister during the pandemic - has finished giving evidence at the Covid inquiry
Messages between Dominic Cummings, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and ex-No 10 communications director Lee Cain were shown during the session
In them, Case, the most senior civil servant, accuses then-PM Boris Johnson of constantly changing his mind - and tells the others Johnson "cannot lead and we cannot support him"
He also says the government looks like a "tragic joke" in the messages, which were sent in September 2020 - six months into the pandemic
Obviously that's not all of it, the rest is here,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/health-67243378
But isn't that quote really telling and it should be so damaging that Bojo is never allowed near politics again..."cannot lead and we cannot support him" and all he was good for was hiding in fridges. |  | | |  |
| The Covid inquiry on 17:40 - Oct 30 with 3554 views | Dr_Winston |
I'm not sure what the scope of the enquiry is, but it could do with focusing as much on why certain decisions were made as well as the failure of leadership.
A serious deep dive on the effectiveness of repeated lockdown compared to the costs in both treasure and life is something that certainly needs to happen, as does one on why most of the Western World chose to abandon previously existing plans on how to deal with a pandemic and embrace new ones seemingly on the fly.
Investigation into why mathematical models put forward by an individual and organisation with proven, repeated failures in ability to do so were wholeheartedly believed and policy formed around them is also needed. |  |
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| The Covid inquiry on 18:09 - Oct 30 with 3549 views | majorraglan |
That’s a damning indictment - why am I not surprised. This is the guy who failed to attend COBRA/COBR meetings in the run up to the lockdown and he’s got previous for being a light touch guy. It’s a sad indictment of our country and the politicians in charge. [Post edited 30 Oct 2023 18:09]
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| The Covid inquiry on 18:24 - Oct 30 with 3526 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Some interesting positions being taken Sir Patrick Valance not willing to release his WhatsApp messages, Sturgeon allegedly deleting hers, Scientists calling Sunak Dr Death over eat out to help out which had no measurable effect on the spread of Covid. We know Johnson is not up to it, what else was going on, it's easy for people to hide behind Johnson.
What's there to hide?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-67261338 [Post edited 30 Oct 2023 18:30]
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| The Covid inquiry on 18:25 - Oct 30 with 3526 views | shingle |
And whatever is in the vaccines has now already caused more damage and caused more deaths than Covid especially amongst the young and healthy. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:23 - Oct 31 with 3351 views | Boundy |
| The Covid inquiry on 18:25 - Oct 30 by shingle |
And whatever is in the vaccines has now already caused more damage and caused more deaths than Covid especially amongst the young and healthy. |
Have you any credible links where this information is available and cored . I'm in my 60's and have had 4 jabs which is fewer than my peers but I'm sure the campaign to have one is ongoing so before I decide to have another I'd like to know if that's a good idea
Back on topic , I'm surprised (not) that Drakeford didn't want his own enquiry ,surely he did nothing to be criticised for ? | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 09:32 - Oct 31 with 3342 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:23 - Oct 31 by Boundy |
Have you any credible links where this information is available and cored . I'm in my 60's and have had 4 jabs which is fewer than my peers but I'm sure the campaign to have one is ongoing so before I decide to have another I'd like to know if that's a good idea
Back on topic , I'm surprised (not) that Drakeford didn't want his own enquiry ,surely he did nothing to be criticised for ? |
I have no hesitation about having mine
It’s a risk assessment
At one time,people probably questioned vaccines for polio and Smallpox and TB.
We had an unknown killer virus that was out of control world wide YET when a vaccine is created ,some dismiss the efficacy of it our of hand because they know better .
Same doubts over face masks and distancing .
It’s easy now to chew cuds on this but millions are still alive because of the measures taken at the time . | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 09:50 - Oct 31 with 3339 views | Boundy |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:32 - Oct 31 by onehunglow |
I have no hesitation about having mine
It’s a risk assessment
At one time,people probably questioned vaccines for polio and Smallpox and TB.
We had an unknown killer virus that was out of control world wide YET when a vaccine is created ,some dismiss the efficacy of it our of hand because they know better .
Same doubts over face masks and distancing .
It’s easy now to chew cuds on this but millions are still alive because of the measures taken at the time . |
I have no issues should any one have or not have the jab ,it has to be a personal choice , I'm just wondering should I continue , maybe my immune system has become more robust as I've had covid 3 times now with little or no adverse effects , my wife had it recently again just feeling a bit run down .I appreciate it maybe me being lucky which may run out. Face masks and personal hygiene ( I've noticed when out and about that many have drifted back to not washing hands after a toilet break ( the Stadium at half time will confirm that ) Hopefully the majority will now be more focussed than they were before he pandemic but will they ? | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 09:54 - Oct 31 with 3334 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:50 - Oct 31 by Boundy |
I have no issues should any one have or not have the jab ,it has to be a personal choice , I'm just wondering should I continue , maybe my immune system has become more robust as I've had covid 3 times now with little or no adverse effects , my wife had it recently again just feeling a bit run down .I appreciate it maybe me being lucky which may run out. Face masks and personal hygiene ( I've noticed when out and about that many have drifted back to not washing hands after a toilet break ( the Stadium at half time will confirm that ) Hopefully the majority will now be more focussed than they were before he pandemic but will they ? |
To my knowledge I have not have Covid.
You have a dilemma and I can only wish you good luck with your decision . | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 10:52 - Oct 31 with 3314 views | Scotia |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:23 - Oct 31 by Boundy |
Have you any credible links where this information is available and cored . I'm in my 60's and have had 4 jabs which is fewer than my peers but I'm sure the campaign to have one is ongoing so before I decide to have another I'd like to know if that's a good idea
Back on topic , I'm surprised (not) that Drakeford didn't want his own enquiry ,surely he did nothing to be criticised for ? |
Of course Shingle hasn't. It's at best misrepresented rubbish at worst it's just lies. The vaccines are safe and stop you getting particularly ill.
I think having them is a good idea. I'm in my mid 40's, I'm eligible becasue I'm considered a front line care worker, and I've had every one offered. Most recently last week.
The vaccines have not impacted me at all, apart from a sore arm and feeling a little tired after my second ever one. I've also had covid twice (I think) both times I have barely been ill at all, with my second covid experience I completely carried on as normal including excercise. I haven't missed a days work to it yet. A friend has just had it (vaccinated as per their schedule, so most recently 18 minths or so ago) and has missed two weeks of work and still isn't well at all. To me having them is a no brainer. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 10:56 - Oct 31 with 3310 views | Scotia |
It seems to be showing Johnson up for exactly what he is. A fool. Dominic Cummings to come today, that'll be interesting.
What I would say, and give the benefit of the doubt to those involved to, is it's easy to act in hindsight. Although the government and those close to them clearly acted shamefully.
My feeling is that the first two lockdowns were needed, but restrictions after the vulnerable had received vaccine dose 2 probably weren't. The lockdowns should probably have been brought in sooner.
I just wish there was a Wales inquiry too - I'd love to hear Drakefords excuse for not allowing supermarkets to sell non essential items. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:10 - Oct 31 with 3303 views | controversial_jack |
| The Covid inquiry on 10:56 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
It seems to be showing Johnson up for exactly what he is. A fool. Dominic Cummings to come today, that'll be interesting.
What I would say, and give the benefit of the doubt to those involved to, is it's easy to act in hindsight. Although the government and those close to them clearly acted shamefully.
My feeling is that the first two lockdowns were needed, but restrictions after the vulnerable had received vaccine dose 2 probably weren't. The lockdowns should probably have been brought in sooner.
I just wish there was a Wales inquiry too - I'd love to hear Drakefords excuse for not allowing supermarkets to sell non essential items. |
My mother who is 91, has had something like 6 or 7 jabs. if her immune system isn't up to it after all those then it never will be.
She had latest last week, and I had to go to her house at 6 am and pick her up off the floor after she had collapsed. She had a really bad reaction and has said, "never again!" | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:18 - Oct 31 with 3293 views | Whiterockin |
| The Covid inquiry on 10:56 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
It seems to be showing Johnson up for exactly what he is. A fool. Dominic Cummings to come today, that'll be interesting.
What I would say, and give the benefit of the doubt to those involved to, is it's easy to act in hindsight. Although the government and those close to them clearly acted shamefully.
My feeling is that the first two lockdowns were needed, but restrictions after the vulnerable had received vaccine dose 2 probably weren't. The lockdowns should probably have been brought in sooner.
I just wish there was a Wales inquiry too - I'd love to hear Drakefords excuse for not allowing supermarkets to sell non essential items. |
The Dominic Cummings who broke covid rules and drove to Barnard Castle to check his eyesight then called others out. Hypocrites the lot of them. |  | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:24 - Oct 31 with 3272 views | Scotia |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:10 - Oct 31 by controversial_jack |
My mother who is 91, has had something like 6 or 7 jabs. if her immune system isn't up to it after all those then it never will be.
She had latest last week, and I had to go to her house at 6 am and pick her up off the floor after she had collapsed. She had a really bad reaction and has said, "never again!" |
That's not the way immunity works with covid, it won't last too long. Obviously it's your Mothers choice whether too or not. I'll be encouriging my parents to have theirs as and when needed.
How do you know it was the vaccine reaction that casued her collapse? | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:26 - Oct 31 with 3270 views | Scotia |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:18 - Oct 31 by Whiterockin |
The Dominic Cummings who broke covid rules and drove to Barnard Castle to check his eyesight then called others out. Hypocrites the lot of them. |
He's got a score to settle and is clearly a very unpleasant individual. I think he'll be throwing lot's of people under lot's of buses. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:18 - Oct 31 with 3255 views | Boundy |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:26 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
He's got a score to settle and is clearly a very unpleasant individual. I think he'll be throwing lot's of people under lot's of buses. |
When you witness what's happened/happening to this country then you have to realise that dispite university , private school education our so called betters are no better than the man on the street. What an odious bunch this lot are and that description is aimed to all within the political establishment | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 12:32 - Oct 31 with 3250 views | Gwyn737 |
| The Covid inquiry on 10:56 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
It seems to be showing Johnson up for exactly what he is. A fool. Dominic Cummings to come today, that'll be interesting.
What I would say, and give the benefit of the doubt to those involved to, is it's easy to act in hindsight. Although the government and those close to them clearly acted shamefully.
My feeling is that the first two lockdowns were needed, but restrictions after the vulnerable had received vaccine dose 2 probably weren't. The lockdowns should probably have been brought in sooner.
I just wish there was a Wales inquiry too - I'd love to hear Drakefords excuse for not allowing supermarkets to sell non essential items. |
I'm pretty much with you and agree hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Only different opinion I have is that schools shouldn't have been shut for the second lock down - the long term damage is worse from doing it IMO. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:14 - Oct 31 with 3225 views | controversial_jack |
| The Covid inquiry on 11:24 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
That's not the way immunity works with covid, it won't last too long. Obviously it's your Mothers choice whether too or not. I'll be encouriging my parents to have theirs as and when needed.
How do you know it was the vaccine reaction that casued her collapse? |
I agree, it lasts about 10 weeks , then it's as if you haven't been jabbed.
It must have been the jab, as she felt a bit unwell during the evening after the jab which she had in the morning, and then collapsed when she went to the bathroom about 5 or 6 am | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:20 - Oct 31 with 3224 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:18 - Oct 31 by Boundy |
When you witness what's happened/happening to this country then you have to realise that dispite university , private school education our so called betters are no better than the man on the street. What an odious bunch this lot are and that description is aimed to all within the political establishment |
They are not privileged either.
Quite the reverse as their souls are killed at many public schools | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 14:33 - Oct 31 with 3181 views | Superjan |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:20 - Oct 31 by onehunglow |
They are not privileged either.
Quite the reverse as their souls are killed at many public schools |
Of course they are privileged in an utterly perverse way , the schools that they go to instil in them a belief that they are worthy and destined to lead .. I’m not whether having a “ soul “ comes into it . | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 14:35 - Oct 31 with 3180 views | Scotia |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:14 - Oct 31 by controversial_jack |
I agree, it lasts about 10 weeks , then it's as if you haven't been jabbed.
It must have been the jab, as she felt a bit unwell during the evening after the jab which she had in the morning, and then collapsed when she went to the bathroom about 5 or 6 am |
It's never as if you haven't been jabbed. At least not for a good length of time.
So a 91 year old woman fell and there is absolutely no evidence to link it to the jab?
Anyway, I hope she's ok. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 14:47 - Oct 31 with 3161 views | Scotia |
Johnson on older people and Covid from the inquiry:-
“He says his party ‘thinks the whole thing is pathetic and Covid is just nature’s way of dealing with old people – and I am not entirely sure I disagree with them’.”
“obsessed with older people accepting their fate and letting the young get on with life and the economy going”.
"Chief whip says 'I think we should let the old people get it and protect others’. PM says ‘a lot of my backbenchers think that and I must say I agree with them’."
Thanks God he's out of the way. GB news is the best place for him. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 15:15 - Oct 31 with 3134 views | controversial_jack |
| The Covid inquiry on 14:35 - Oct 31 by Scotia |
It's never as if you haven't been jabbed. At least not for a good length of time.
So a 91 year old woman fell and there is absolutely no evidence to link it to the jab?
Anyway, I hope she's ok. |
She's 91, but doesn't make a habit of falling. What evidence would you like? One day shes, fine, get's the covid jab, several hours later she's unwell, then collapses early hours of the morning. Not sure how much more circumstantial evidence there could be.
Thank you for you for your good wishes | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 16:39 - Oct 31 with 3107 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 14:33 - Oct 31 by Superjan |
Of course they are privileged in an utterly perverse way , the schools that they go to instil in them a belief that they are worthy and destined to lead .. I’m not whether having a “ soul “ comes into it . |
Which is basically how I see them
Privilege ….being sent away at 6 yrs of age to be abused at a stone cold school of perverts | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 18:42 - Oct 31 with 3064 views | shingle |
| The Covid inquiry on 09:23 - Oct 31 by Boundy |
Have you any credible links where this information is available and cored . I'm in my 60's and have had 4 jabs which is fewer than my peers but I'm sure the campaign to have one is ongoing so before I decide to have another I'd like to know if that's a good idea
Back on topic , I'm surprised (not) that Drakeford didn't want his own enquiry ,surely he did nothing to be criticised for ? |
I had no time for these Anti jab theorists until what happened to me and three other local rugby players, a week after having my first jab i started having palpitations and dizzy spells which slowly got better over a few weeks then the same thing happened after the second jab and the third and each time it got worse so i went to the doctor had an ecg,
i was then sent for an heart scan then was sent to one of Wales top heart specialists Dr Clive Western he explained that my heart rhythm had been knocked out of zinc which was probably caused by the Covid vaccinations which had now become a regular occurrence with Young fit people and fit and healthy adults, he said ongoing investigations are ongoing but as of yet they have not found out why this is happening or why these jabs are not having these reactions in the elderly or the not so healthy adults, his personal opinion was that he was currently ok with the elderly having the jabs as he believed the benefits outweigh the risks whether he would be of the same opinion further down the line is another matter but with fit and healthy people and especially young adults he is now having serious doubts due to the increase in heart problems and the upturn in deaths in healthy adults, anyway i am now fine but will never ever have one of those things injected into me again i have had Covid which was not nice but give me that over whatever is in those jabs any day. | | | |
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