| The Covid inquiry 17:20 - Oct 30 with 13758 views | SullutaCreturned |
Quite surprised theres not already a thread but here we go, nothing we didn't already know or at least suspect but todays evidnce,
Martin Reynolds - who headed the private office of the prime minister during the pandemic - has finished giving evidence at the Covid inquiry
Messages between Dominic Cummings, Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and ex-No 10 communications director Lee Cain were shown during the session
In them, Case, the most senior civil servant, accuses then-PM Boris Johnson of constantly changing his mind - and tells the others Johnson "cannot lead and we cannot support him"
He also says the government looks like a "tragic joke" in the messages, which were sent in September 2020 - six months into the pandemic
Obviously that's not all of it, the rest is here,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
But isn't that quote really telling and it should be so damaging that Bojo is never allowed near politics again..."cannot lead and we cannot support him" and all he was good for was hiding in fridges. |  | | |  |
| The Covid inquiry on 18:46 - Oct 31 with 1579 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:32 - Oct 31 by Gwyn737 |
I'm pretty much with you and agree hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Only different opinion I have is that schools shouldn't have been shut for the second lock down - the long term damage is worse from doing it IMO. |
Yes, hindsight is usually 100% but not always.
I agree about schools but also parks should not have shut (maybe that was just around here?) and we should have protected the vulnerable while letting as many as possible just get on with life.
There were always going to be a few younger people who the virus overwhelmed just like there were a few quite old people it didn't touch.
I have anecdotal evidence of problems with jabs, a neighbour of my sister who was 85 and otherwise fit and healthy, he got the jab (having survived covid once) and was ill within a few hours, went steadiy downhill and died within 48 hours.
There are many things, it seems, that should have been done differently and my personal choice now (with my wife never having had covid but being badly ill after her last booster) is to have no more covid jabs. If it kills me then its my own fault.
The tory government has proven to be utterly awful, incapable, negligent to the point of criminality and only really concerned about what was in it for them.
It'll be good riddance to them when we vote them out and I can only hope the Starmer government is much better. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 19:30 - Oct 31 with 1536 views | majorraglan |
I appreciate that Cummings has an agenda, but I think there is a great deal of substance to a lot of the things he’s said today because it fits in with what the newspapers were telling us about head immunity etc etc. He’s painted a damning, terrible picture of incompetence amongst our leaders and most of it comes together like a jigsaw. I believe our governments are mainly stuffed with people who are there because of their networks and connections and that needs to change. Boris, his brother and sister were all MP’s - how does that happen?
I hope we never have another pandemic, but the way the world is now with flights, inter connectivity etc I fear it’s inevitable. The 2016 Operation Cygnus exercise found that we were woefully unprepared for a pandemic and lessons weren’t learnt. We need to learn from this. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:14 - Oct 31 with 1508 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 19:30 - Oct 31 by majorraglan |
I appreciate that Cummings has an agenda, but I think there is a great deal of substance to a lot of the things he’s said today because it fits in with what the newspapers were telling us about head immunity etc etc. He’s painted a damning, terrible picture of incompetence amongst our leaders and most of it comes together like a jigsaw. I believe our governments are mainly stuffed with people who are there because of their networks and connections and that needs to change. Boris, his brother and sister were all MP’s - how does that happen?
I hope we never have another pandemic, but the way the world is now with flights, inter connectivity etc I fear it’s inevitable. The 2016 Operation Cygnus exercise found that we were woefully unprepared for a pandemic and lessons weren’t learnt. We need to learn from this. |
It's worse than that, Major, the lessons were there but they were simply ignored. Nothing was done to prepare for a pandemic. Maybe because they were busy profiteering from the public sector, selling off health services for who knows what reward.
Look at all the PPE that was bought for but was subsandard or never turned up. Look at all the billions wasted by this government, of course by wasred I mean GIVEN to their friends in dodgy deals.
This Tory government needs investigating by the police for fraud, theft, corruption in public office and I think, no I believe that very many tories would be facing prison time if that happened BUT it won't happen which in itself is criminal. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:25 - Oct 31 with 1505 views | Wingstandwood |
Bad sh1t, really, really bad sh1t!!!!!
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| The Covid inquiry on 20:29 - Oct 31 with 1503 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:32 - Oct 31 by Gwyn737 |
I'm pretty much with you and agree hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Only different opinion I have is that schools shouldn't have been shut for the second lock down - the long term damage is worse from doing it IMO. |
You don't really need hindsight to believe that restricting the ability of people to go outdoors during the spread of a respiratory virus was stupid. It was a lunatic idea even then, and many people said so.
Restricting mingling indoors, or in crowds, fine. Stopping people heading to the beach, or telling them that they could only go for a 90 minute walk was absolutely barmy.
Schools should never have closed completely either. Gone hybrid maybe with a mix of online and in person learning, but never closed completely. An entire generation of kids utterly betrayed.
The problem is that I can't see this enquiry asking those questions to any serious degree. It all seems a bit "Get Johnson" at present. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but people like Neil Ferguson need to be on the stand and seriously grilled also. [Post edited 31 Oct 2023 20:31]
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| The Covid inquiry on 20:50 - Oct 31 with 1485 views | Gwyn737 |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:29 - Oct 31 by Dr_Winston |
You don't really need hindsight to believe that restricting the ability of people to go outdoors during the spread of a respiratory virus was stupid. It was a lunatic idea even then, and many people said so.
Restricting mingling indoors, or in crowds, fine. Stopping people heading to the beach, or telling them that they could only go for a 90 minute walk was absolutely barmy.
Schools should never have closed completely either. Gone hybrid maybe with a mix of online and in person learning, but never closed completely. An entire generation of kids utterly betrayed.
The problem is that I can't see this enquiry asking those questions to any serious degree. It all seems a bit "Get Johnson" at present. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but people like Neil Ferguson need to be on the stand and seriously grilled also. [Post edited 31 Oct 2023 20:31]
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I can’t agree with you about the first lockdown.
At that point, we didn’t know it was really airborne (and spent a large amount of time wiping stuff down), had no available PPE, no testing and no vaccine.
I can’t remember the school closures in wales, but in England the first full closure was 7 full weeks, after that, Reception, Y1, Y6, Y10, and Y11 opened, along with key worker children which ran at around 30% of the total.
We could have repaired that and I genuinely believe it was necessary. Not the later ones though. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:57 - Oct 31 with 1477 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:50 - Oct 31 by Gwyn737 |
I can’t agree with you about the first lockdown.
At that point, we didn’t know it was really airborne (and spent a large amount of time wiping stuff down), had no available PPE, no testing and no vaccine.
I can’t remember the school closures in wales, but in England the first full closure was 7 full weeks, after that, Reception, Y1, Y6, Y10, and Y11 opened, along with key worker children which ran at around 30% of the total.
We could have repaired that and I genuinely believe it was necessary. Not the later ones though. |
Didn't know it was airborne? Surely this was something the experts could have foreseen?
My company, whom I cannot name, still have procedures in place that were put in during covid and they are pretty pointless, well quite a few of them. They are now company policy and though they were only put in because of covid apparently they cannot now be taken out. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 21:04 - Oct 31 with 1461 views | Gwyn737 |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:57 - Oct 31 by SullutaCreturned |
Didn't know it was airborne? Surely this was something the experts could have foreseen?
My company, whom I cannot name, still have procedures in place that were put in during covid and they are pretty pointless, well quite a few of them. They are now company policy and though they were only put in because of covid apparently they cannot now be taken out. |
I don’t think I phrased that very well, Cat.
It was more the worry about surface transition that ended up not being such a big deal. | | | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 21:33 - Oct 31 with 1431 views | majorraglan |
We’ve all got our own views on what happened and we also have the benefit of hindsight. I’m not going to go in to the merits of a lockdown v no lockdown etc, what really concerns me from today is the picture of incompetence Cummings has painted, yes I know he has an agenda but it all fits. The saying lions led by donkeys is again very apt. What else have they got wrong?
Boris being employed by the Daily Mail for just shy of a £1m per year ( who coincidentally don’t seem to be running the story in a prominent part of their website) and Boris’s GB News job is in my opinion just rubbing peoples noses in it. Outrageous. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 06:15 - Nov 1 with 1382 views | Scotia |
| The Covid inquiry on 20:29 - Oct 31 by Dr_Winston |
You don't really need hindsight to believe that restricting the ability of people to go outdoors during the spread of a respiratory virus was stupid. It was a lunatic idea even then, and many people said so.
Restricting mingling indoors, or in crowds, fine. Stopping people heading to the beach, or telling them that they could only go for a 90 minute walk was absolutely barmy.
Schools should never have closed completely either. Gone hybrid maybe with a mix of online and in person learning, but never closed completely. An entire generation of kids utterly betrayed.
The problem is that I can't see this enquiry asking those questions to any serious degree. It all seems a bit "Get Johnson" at present. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but people like Neil Ferguson need to be on the stand and seriously grilled also. [Post edited 31 Oct 2023 20:31]
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Neil Ferguson appeared at the inquiry about 2/3 weeks ago.
I know his model made headlines at the time, but he didn't really get things too far wrong. Especially when you consider that every maths/physics model ever developed is wrong. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 07:07 - Nov 1 with 1368 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Covid inquiry on 21:33 - Oct 31 by majorraglan |
We’ve all got our own views on what happened and we also have the benefit of hindsight. I’m not going to go in to the merits of a lockdown v no lockdown etc, what really concerns me from today is the picture of incompetence Cummings has painted, yes I know he has an agenda but it all fits. The saying lions led by donkeys is again very apt. What else have they got wrong?
Boris being employed by the Daily Mail for just shy of a £1m per year ( who coincidentally don’t seem to be running the story in a prominent part of their website) and Boris’s GB News job is in my opinion just rubbing peoples noses in it. Outrageous. |
Robert Peston's posts on Twitter yesterday were just as flabbergasting. The fact he has the brass neck to post about Johnson's incompetence when he parroted every word verbatim from him shows a level of cognitive dissonance off the charts |  |
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| The Covid inquiry on 08:51 - Nov 1 with 1332 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 07:07 - Nov 1 by waynekerr55 |
Robert Peston's posts on Twitter yesterday were just as flabbergasting. The fact he has the brass neck to post about Johnson's incompetence when he parroted every word verbatim from him shows a level of cognitive dissonance off the charts |
He needs to learn how to dress himself first | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 12:16 - Nov 1 with 1275 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Covid inquiry on 08:51 - Nov 1 by onehunglow |
He needs to learn how to dress himself first |
The Robert Preston who asked in a press conference when a graph of cumulative Covid cases would start trending down. |  |
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| The Covid inquiry on 12:22 - Nov 1 with 1265 views | mangohilljack |
| The Covid inquiry on 06:15 - Nov 1 by Scotia |
Neil Ferguson appeared at the inquiry about 2/3 weeks ago.
I know his model made headlines at the time, but he didn't really get things too far wrong. Especially when you consider that every maths/physics model ever developed is wrong. |
You can keep trying to convince yourself, but the inevitable truth will come out. We're getting closer and closer.
Great timing too when most of the world are focused on the Middle East | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:33 - Nov 1 with 1252 views | mangohilljack |
Some good posters were kicked off this forum for letting the forum know what we're all only now finding out.
A Fans Dad
1462Jack
Summer from Texas
Ronald Stump
to name but a few , there were many more.
Maybe should get them back on to see what the next instalment is with everything that is going on. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:37 - Nov 1 with 1241 views | Whiterockin |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:33 - Nov 1 by mangohilljack |
Some good posters were kicked off this forum for letting the forum know what we're all only now finding out.
A Fans Dad
1462Jack
Summer from Texas
Ronald Stump
to name but a few , there were many more.
Maybe should get them back on to see what the next instalment is with everything that is going on. |
I would say their bans were deserved and they had enough chances. |  | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:40 - Nov 1 with 1225 views | mangohilljack |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:37 - Nov 1 by Whiterockin |
I would say their bans were deserved and they had enough chances. |
For not being part of the clique? | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:42 - Nov 1 with 1228 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 21:04 - Oct 31 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think I phrased that very well, Cat.
It was more the worry about surface transition that ended up not being such a big deal. |
Yes, businesses spent/spend a lot of time wiping down surfaces, we all had/have to use that gel on our hands to kill a virus that we had a 1 in 10,000 chance of catching by touch.
Think about that...1 in 10,000, even the mask wearing was really pointless unless absolutely EVERYBODY wore them because they didn't protect you very much, they protected other people from you. Just the same way as medical people wearing masks protects the patient from whatever the medical person is breathing out.
Watching some of the covid tv show this morning (that's what it's become) and Helen MacNamara really tore Bojo apart, very politely and softly but her words were harsh for him, ravaging. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:00 - Nov 1 with 1210 views | onehunglow |
So a killer virus appears and wipes out people whole scale
Some of our punters see masks as useless,no need for distancing nor closing of businesses.
Why,? So they know better
Then a vaccine comes along and saves millions and now doubts about that.
Pity our experts weren’t government as they know and knew what to do even how to handle the unknown | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 13:01 - Nov 1 with 1210 views | controversial_jack |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:42 - Nov 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes, businesses spent/spend a lot of time wiping down surfaces, we all had/have to use that gel on our hands to kill a virus that we had a 1 in 10,000 chance of catching by touch.
Think about that...1 in 10,000, even the mask wearing was really pointless unless absolutely EVERYBODY wore them because they didn't protect you very much, they protected other people from you. Just the same way as medical people wearing masks protects the patient from whatever the medical person is breathing out.
Watching some of the covid tv show this morning (that's what it's become) and Helen MacNamara really tore Bojo apart, very politely and softly but her words were harsh for him, ravaging. |
I think most people wore masks, except for the entitled few who thought they knew better. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:03 - Nov 1 with 1209 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:01 - Nov 1 by controversial_jack |
I think most people wore masks, except for the entitled few who thought they knew better. |
I recall plenty doing their shopping being perfectly smug in not wearing one.
Fear of a cloth was stated as an excuse
These Kent’s spread it to people who didn’t deserve it. | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 18:38 - Nov 1 with 1145 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:01 - Nov 1 by controversial_jack |
I think most people wore masks, except for the entitled few who thought they knew better. |
Most? Maybe by a ratio of 60-40 because I saw a lot of people not wearing masks anywhere. That was the point though, either we all wore them or it was pointless.
If there were 10 people in a shop queue and 9 were wearing masks but the non wearer had covid and was infectious all those masks wouldn't protect them from catching it and sevral of them would probably catch it depending on queue positions and how enclosed the queue was.
I remember queueing outside Asda for over 40 minutes and despite the requests from staff many people didn't have masks on or observe distancing rules. People also ignored the one way system inside and didn't distance there either.
People are stupid. | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 19:01 - Nov 1 with 1132 views | onehunglow |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:01 - Nov 1 by controversial_jack |
I think most people wore masks, except for the entitled few who thought they knew better. |
Not entitled just couldn’t be arsed type | |
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| The Covid inquiry on 19:30 - Nov 1 with 1120 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 13:00 - Nov 1 by onehunglow |
So a killer virus appears and wipes out people whole scale
Some of our punters see masks as useless,no need for distancing nor closing of businesses.
Why,? So they know better
Then a vaccine comes along and saves millions and now doubts about that.
Pity our experts weren’t government as they know and knew what to do even how to handle the unknown |
Whole scale? In the end wasn't the death rate less than 1%?
Masks were proven to not be very effective unless the whole populatio wore them, they caught what you breathed out but didn't stop you breathing in what others breathed out unless you had a specific level/quality of mask on.
I'm not doubting the vaccines initially saved lives but I am doubting the need to keep having them because covid seems to have evolved to be no worse than the flu so maybe the really vulnerable should think about it but the fit and healthy, it's up to them. I'm going on the evdence I have personally; Having had conversations with trained medical staff and a pharmacist my decision is to not have another covid jab.
I'm not an expert but I have made my decision and I will live with it, until I die, however I die! | | | |
| The Covid inquiry on 19:35 - Nov 1 with 1118 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Covid inquiry on 12:22 - Nov 1 by mangohilljack |
You can keep trying to convince yourself, but the inevitable truth will come out. We're getting closer and closer.
Great timing too when most of the world are focused on the Middle East |
Yeah, hamas started this to help the cover up!
For what it's worth I had a conversation with the site owner about freedom of speech, actually I made several posts about it.
There are things we are not allowed to say anymore and I dont agree with it. freedom of speech helps us identify who the loonies are, besides I'm not in favour of cancelling people's opinions.
Free and open debate should be a cornerstone of democracy but just like democracy, freedom of speech is sham, it doesn't exist any more. We are all being told what we cannot talk about. | | | |
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