| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan 18:32 - Nov 29 with 6988 views | stainrods_elbow |
'We’ve done lots of travelling this week, but I don't want to use that as excuse. It’s probably part of the explanation when you come back at four o'clock in the night between Wednesday and Thursday, and you have to travel again for four hours.'
QED! Again!
It's a funny way to talk about not using something as an excuse then presenting it, in detail, as an excuse - sorry, 'explanation'!
If I weren't a Francophile and a hater of Republican America, I might call JS a cheese-eating surrender monkey.
It's clear that it's now thought acceptable in Champ football to incorporate reference to a two-day turnaround for an away game as a factor in a flaccid defeat.
Not to me it isn't.
Why even turn up if that's the attitude coming down from the top?
I'd like to hear from some of the fantastic fans who went today. Aren't they feeling at least a little bit cheated? I live in Ireland and watched on a stream, so apparently that doesn't count as being a supporter/having a view according to some, but, unfortunately for them, I have one anyway.
In two words, (to which I'd append two fingers) - ça pue!
PS Since when does it take 4 hours to drive 120m from HQ to Norwich? Tw*t! [Post edited 29 Nov 18:49]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:46 - Nov 29 with 4233 views | TwoHalves |
To be fair, Stainrod, that Wood Lane can get a bit sticky. |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:50 - Nov 29 with 4196 views | wortonr |
Presumably couldn’t resist South Mimms services? | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:27 - Nov 29 with 3975 views | ManinBlack |
Perhaps some tractors returning home from the budget day protest delayed the team coach on the A11... |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:31 - Nov 29 with 3929 views | Benny_the_Ball |
I've got a lot of time for Julien but today is squarely on him. To make no changes for the 3rd game in a 3 game week with all that travelling was a schoolboy error. It's no coincidence that the team lost the first half 3-1 yet drew the second 0-0. Another one for the lessons learned log. |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 20:16 - Nov 29 with 3792 views | JamesB1979 |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:31 - Nov 29 by Benny_the_Ball |
I've got a lot of time for Julien but today is squarely on him. To make no changes for the 3rd game in a 3 game week with all that travelling was a schoolboy error. It's no coincidence that the team lost the first half 3-1 yet drew the second 0-0. Another one for the lessons learned log. |
Completely agree. I get his point about the back 4. Don’t agree but can understand. However, making no changes to the rest of the side after the game Wednesday and travels is stupid and arrogant. It’s not as if there is much if any difference between the guys on the bench and those that start. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:05 - Nov 29 with 3492 views | Mr_Beef |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 19:31 - Nov 29 by Benny_the_Ball |
I've got a lot of time for Julien but today is squarely on him. To make no changes for the 3rd game in a 3 game week with all that travelling was a schoolboy error. It's no coincidence that the team lost the first half 3-1 yet drew the second 0-0. Another one for the lessons learned log. |
Yes, he should have made changes, but it's easier to draw a second half 0-0 when your opponents are already two goals up and desperate for a win. [Post edited 29 Nov 22:09]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:07 - Nov 29 with 3474 views | EN_Ranger |
It’s crazy that the gaffer has rotated non stop all season, sometimes killing momentum with too many changes and then today stuck with the same side.
I guess it’s all part of the learning process of coaching in a new league, but he needs to learn quicker | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:09 - Nov 29 with 3476 views | bosh67 |
To be honest, he stuck mainly with the same team this week and what do you do if they wreck the climate with brain farts through the entire first half? Most of that is on the players. |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:11 - Nov 29 with 3460 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:05 - Nov 29 by Mr_Beef |
Yes, he should have made changes, but it's easier to draw a second half 0-0 when your opponents are already two goals up and desperate for a win. [Post edited 29 Nov 22:09]
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I would argue it's more difficult. The team that is leading has the wind in their sails and the team that is behind has to chase the game leaving themselves open to the counter. In any event, the performances either side of half time was chalk and cheese. The team looked fresher, more balanced and more competitive after the changes were made, albeit still a little toothless up front. [Post edited 29 Nov 22:15]
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:15 - Nov 29 with 3447 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:09 - Nov 29 by bosh67 |
To be honest, he stuck mainly with the same team this week and what do you do if they wreck the climate with brain farts through the entire first half? Most of that is on the players. |
Yes, but that's because he started with the same players. They were physically and mentally fatigued. That's on the head coach. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:16 - Nov 29 with 3446 views | Boston |
Dunno about the drive, but the fuhggin trains took over five hours. | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:25 - Nov 29 with 3414 views | Mr_Beef |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:11 - Nov 29 by Benny_the_Ball |
I would argue it's more difficult. The team that is leading has the wind in their sails and the team that is behind has to chase the game leaving themselves open to the counter. In any event, the performances either side of half time was chalk and cheese. The team looked fresher, more balanced and more competitive after the changes were made, albeit still a little toothless up front. [Post edited 29 Nov 22:15]
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If you're 3-1 up at half time and haven't won for 14 games then you're going to settle for 3-1. Any team in that position would be delighted with a 0-0 second half. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:28 - Nov 29 with 3241 views | stainrods_elbow |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 22:25 - Nov 29 by Mr_Beef |
If you're 3-1 up at half time and haven't won for 14 games then you're going to settle for 3-1. Any team in that position would be delighted with a 0-0 second half. |
I know I'm supposed by some to be some kind of freak for asking for honesty and not being treated like a mug by the senior staff of my club, but JS actually said before the game that Norwich's position was false and that they were actually (in some other dimension, presumably) a team with good players and good 'collective' football. As ever, precise, incisive and illuminating - let alone plausible - it wasn't! I think, reading between the lines of his pre-match remarks, he suspected it would be a limp showing, and so it proved.
In fact, that was Norwich's first home win of the season, capped off by half as many goals again as they've scored all season at Carrow Road. They've lost 7 of their 9 games on their own ground. Apart from their paltry point v Oxford up to 5pm yesterday, in other words, we're the ONLY team they've (deservedly) taken points off all season at home. If that's not damning, I don't know what is.
I enjoyed a good half of the Hull game as much as anyone, but, let's be honest (that word again, careful, it might be catching!), this is a team without balls, cohesion and clarity for far too much of the time! A starting point could be - I know, I'm a lunatic - telling it as it is. | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:56 - Nov 29 with 3191 views | ManinBlack |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:28 - Nov 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I know I'm supposed by some to be some kind of freak for asking for honesty and not being treated like a mug by the senior staff of my club, but JS actually said before the game that Norwich's position was false and that they were actually (in some other dimension, presumably) a team with good players and good 'collective' football. As ever, precise, incisive and illuminating - let alone plausible - it wasn't! I think, reading between the lines of his pre-match remarks, he suspected it would be a limp showing, and so it proved.
In fact, that was Norwich's first home win of the season, capped off by half as many goals again as they've scored all season at Carrow Road. They've lost 7 of their 9 games on their own ground. Apart from their paltry point v Oxford up to 5pm yesterday, in other words, we're the ONLY team they've (deservedly) taken points off all season at home. If that's not damning, I don't know what is.
I enjoyed a good half of the Hull game as much as anyone, but, let's be honest (that word again, careful, it might be catching!), this is a team without balls, cohesion and clarity for far too much of the time! A starting point could be - I know, I'm a lunatic - telling it as it is. |
Don't forget that Sheffield Wednesday got one of their two home points against us. Everyone else has won there basically scoring at least three in the process. We don't score enough goals to take the pressure off the defence.
If Norwich still had the manager that lost seven home games on the bounce we might have got something but getting a new man in is a fresh start and bad timing for us. The other issue is I read in the last 42 meetings with Norwich, we have only won 9 compared to 22 wins for them so it seems ingrained in us they are a big club so we generally go to Carrow Road with a defeatist attitude.
Last season's 3-0 home win was our first victory over Norwich for years and Kolli scored twice. Alas this manager thought Frey was a better option today whereas the Norwich defence might have been more concerned facing Kolli. Now we face West Brom, another team who have done us 7-1 and a team we haven't beaten for a few years. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 00:13 - Nov 30 with 3131 views | wombat |
Another or the fantastic fans signing in , spent most of the week on various motorways . Today was club less from start to finish , we a§remt in the same boat as we was last season when our abesent Lycra clad fitness coach was conducting zoom calls for the walking. Wounded we have by the clubs reckoning a prettty much fully fir squad to pick from , a fully fit left back in norrignton Davis
An alternate madson and vranne sat on the bench . We have loads of decent options but today tinkerman didn’t tinker no idea why whe. You chasing a 2 goal deficit brining Frey on isn’t helping matters when a fit Kone is on the bench , playing saito as a ten again when it didn’t work weds , playi f dembele whe. He’s had his 45 mins as a footballer who actually looked like he was bothers as he was against hull , we had options but no same again flat middle two who are either scored to go forward or unable to ever see what opposition box looks like on the odd occasion , Varane once again was awful madson not much better .
We ship goals on. Reg basis most weeks yet we now have a specialised defensive coach who dosnt like match days .and possibly dosnt even report to the coach . Kolli must be sat at home and thinking how crap am I that Frey gets more time on the touch than I do .
He’s lucky he’s nourries boy as other wise he would be looking over his shoulder after a few more like today |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 07:40 - Nov 30 with 2827 views | loftboy |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 23:56 - Nov 29 by ManinBlack |
Don't forget that Sheffield Wednesday got one of their two home points against us. Everyone else has won there basically scoring at least three in the process. We don't score enough goals to take the pressure off the defence.
If Norwich still had the manager that lost seven home games on the bounce we might have got something but getting a new man in is a fresh start and bad timing for us. The other issue is I read in the last 42 meetings with Norwich, we have only won 9 compared to 22 wins for them so it seems ingrained in us they are a big club so we generally go to Carrow Road with a defeatist attitude.
Last season's 3-0 home win was our first victory over Norwich for years and Kolli scored twice. Alas this manager thought Frey was a better option today whereas the Norwich defence might have been more concerned facing Kolli. Now we face West Brom, another team who have done us 7-1 and a team we haven't beaten for a few years. |
Yes, how many games, particularly at home have been dominating but not scored when we’ve been on top? Other team gets their first chance and score. |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 09:00 - Nov 30 with 2656 views | RuislipHoop |
Other teams travel as we have done this week,it’s all part of the Championship but,watching Ipswich on Friday,they had 2 players on the pitch,one worth 11m and one worth 18m and there lies the issue.We have a bottom 6/7 squad and our performances confirm that. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 09:07 - Nov 30 with 2628 views | francisbowles |
To SE re your PS.
Leaving the training ground on a Friday afternoon. M4 to M25 and traffic jam. I can believe it could take that long, especially if they had a stop at services. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 09:16 - Nov 30 with 2585 views | colinallcars |
We've had some good games which have left us with the fictive notion we may reach the playoffs.
Better teams than us can have an off day and still achieve a result..
We need to be at the top of our ability to do this. |  | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 11:56 - Dec 1 with 2065 views | TheChef |
Out of interest Stainrod my dear, has there ever been any QPR manager that you've liked? |  |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:26 - Dec 1 with 1807 views | colinallcars |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 11:56 - Dec 1 by TheChef |
Out of interest Stainrod my dear, has there ever been any QPR manager that you've liked? |
I think he liked Tobias Merryweather in 1906. | | | |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:30 - Dec 1 with 1800 views | stainrods_elbow |
Dave Sexton
Tommy Docherty
Terry Venables
Gerry Francis (phase 1)
Ian Holloway (phase 1)
Jim Magilton | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:13 - Dec 1 with 1716 views | loftboy |
| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 17:30 - Dec 1 by stainrods_elbow |
Dave Sexton
Tommy Docherty
Terry Venables
Gerry Francis (phase 1)
Ian Holloway (phase 1)
Jim Magilton |
Warnock? | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:30 - Dec 1 with 1686 views | stainrods_elbow |
Effective, but not really my cup of tea, tbh | |
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| the (not so) bons mots of Julien Stephan on 18:57 - Dec 1 with 1632 views | Northernr |
“I know I'm supposed by some to be some kind of freak for asking for honesty and not being treated like a mug by the senior staff of my club…”
You were fine with it on Friday. |  | | |
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