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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1203806 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Oct 29 with 948 viewsladyjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:46 - Oct 29 by Uxbridge

Looking odds on we're getting an election in December, despite the obvious logistical issues with that. Such fun.


There does seem to be strong talk of it now.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:00 - Oct 29 with 930 viewsHighjack

Why are they arguing about the 12th or the 9th ffs? The lot of them need their heads banging together.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:09 - Oct 29 with 925 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:00 - Oct 29 by Highjack

Why are they arguing about the 12th or the 9th ffs? The lot of them need their heads banging together.


“ The 12 December date would mean that Parliament could dissolve as late as 8 November, potentially meaning that a panicked Parliament might yet find the time to put the withdrawal agreement bill into law before the election.“

Basically, no one trusts Johnson & Rees-Mogg as far as they could throw them. Strange that...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Oct 29 with 875 viewsHighjack

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“ The 12 December date would mean that Parliament could dissolve as late as 8 November, potentially meaning that a panicked Parliament might yet find the time to put the withdrawal agreement bill into law before the election.“

Basically, no one trusts Johnson & Rees-Mogg as far as they could throw them. Strange that...


Couldn’t they just stop it?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:24 - Oct 29 with 863 viewsBatterseajack

Anyone looking forward to this election?

Does anyone think it will finally sort brexit out either way?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:39 - Oct 29 with 831 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:24 - Oct 29 by Batterseajack

Anyone looking forward to this election?

Does anyone think it will finally sort brexit out either way?


Course it bloody wont.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:20 - Oct 29 with 806 viewsUxbridge

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Oct 29 by Highjack

Couldn’t they just stop it?


I don't think that's in any one person's power given the fractious nature of Parliament. Some may view this as their last chance and act recklessly. If you call an election, the interim is a really really bad time to allow any legislation to pass, and certainly on this scale.

Plus of course there's the very large student vote to consider, which is why the Tories want to push it back as far as possible.

December is a shit month to do this. The 12th is more shit than the 9th is.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:24 - Oct 29 with 796 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:24 - Oct 29 by Batterseajack

Anyone looking forward to this election?

Does anyone think it will finally sort brexit out either way?


Only if it delivers a general election won by a party with a decent majority and a unified vision of exactly what they want Brexit to be.

So, er no!

The only UK-wide party who'd deliver certainty would be the Lib Dems, but they're not going to win majority.

Chances are we'll do fack all on Brexit for a few months and then be running around like headless chickens again, again.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Oct 29 with 789 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:24 - Oct 29 by Batterseajack

Anyone looking forward to this election?

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Rather depends on how Farage reacts as the Brexit Party is the only thing that's going to be able to stop Johnson having a working majority next time.

At least we'll be rid of St Jeremy and that throbber McCluskey..

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:41 - Oct 29 with 784 viewsJackSomething

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I don't think that's in any one person's power given the fractious nature of Parliament. Some may view this as their last chance and act recklessly. If you call an election, the interim is a really really bad time to allow any legislation to pass, and certainly on this scale.

Plus of course there's the very large student vote to consider, which is why the Tories want to push it back as far as possible.

December is a shit month to do this. The 12th is more shit than the 9th is.


I look forward to Bluey telling us about the hordes of Remain voting students voting in their term-time district, then racing home to their parents' address to vote again in a dastardly plot to defy the will of the people!

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:59 - Oct 29 with 758 viewsUxbridge

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:41 - Oct 29 by JackSomething

I look forward to Bluey telling us about the hordes of Remain voting students voting in their term-time district, then racing home to their parents' address to vote again in a dastardly plot to defy the will of the people!


Oh I can't believe he'd do that. He'd look silly given there was just one single prosecution for such things in 2017, which rather proves there isn't a problem, because the one thing this Govt is definitely on top of it's law and order so they'd have definitely successfully prosecuted more.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:48 - Oct 29 with 720 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:06 - Oct 27 by Uxbridge

Why are the EU not similarly impotent when they've demonstrated several times they won't NoDeal either?

The argument is bobbins. Johnson failed because he capitulated and took the easy path that suited his ends. Just look at him now, selling this turd of a deal when anyone with half a brain can see it's far inferior even to May's effort,which he roundly castigated because it suited him.


Seems you would not recognise bobbins even if you had worked for Sylko.

Think a little Ux, the Eu definitely don’t want no deal. The difference being we are already in the EU and they don’t want us to leave.

They want to keep us in, we voted out and are trying to get out.

Thanks to our valiant politico we cannot leave without their agreement to any deal, so why should they agree to anything as this would keep us in as they wish, except of course anything that keeps us impotently tied to their apron strings.

The EU at least are bright enough to realise that us leaving successfully would not only diminish their finances, power and brand but would also open up to other exits and the destabilisation of its private members club.

If you would like me to run the logic by you again Janet and John style just ask, always happy to help. It really is that simple :)

No idea why you are going on about Boris’s deal. Although the sentient amongst us may compare the pluses and minuses against May’s deal without the need to resort to abuse. Although with our politicians giving the EU all the power on the conditions on which we may leave, would a sensible person expect much different? It just pushes us down the no deal path or as they wish forces us to stay.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:06 - Oct 29 with 686 viewsUxbridge

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:48 - Oct 29 by chad

Seems you would not recognise bobbins even if you had worked for Sylko.

Think a little Ux, the Eu definitely don’t want no deal. The difference being we are already in the EU and they don’t want us to leave.

They want to keep us in, we voted out and are trying to get out.

Thanks to our valiant politico we cannot leave without their agreement to any deal, so why should they agree to anything as this would keep us in as they wish, except of course anything that keeps us impotently tied to their apron strings.

The EU at least are bright enough to realise that us leaving successfully would not only diminish their finances, power and brand but would also open up to other exits and the destabilisation of its private members club.

If you would like me to run the logic by you again Janet and John style just ask, always happy to help. It really is that simple :)

No idea why you are going on about Boris’s deal. Although the sentient amongst us may compare the pluses and minuses against May’s deal without the need to resort to abuse. Although with our politicians giving the EU all the power on the conditions on which we may leave, would a sensible person expect much different? It just pushes us down the no deal path or as they wish forces us to stay.


Hey Spratty. You've rather missed my point, or chosen to. Some things don't change

Let's take a step back. Both sides of course have competing pressures. Let's talk about the EU. Of course they want the UK to remain, for entirely self-beneficial reasons. We are a net contributor, and there aren't enough of those, as Germany knows. While we're inside the club we're not outside urinating on the clubhouse, like a Singapore on Thames as some would like to liken our future existence to (that's another kettle entirely BTW). Our economies are intertwined, obvious to a lesser degree for them than us but still, so a break-up makes things more difficult for them. All solid reasons why they don't want change.

However, they also have other pressures. The EU is a collection of 27 states, and that collection only stays together when they all view it as in their interests to stay within. It's also in the EU's interests to protect the integrity of its borders and market. Absolutely no doubt they're playing hardball with the UK to a degree to deter other countries who want to pull away. There's no value to the European project in giving a sweetheart deal to the first to leave, it would only form a queue at the door. Interestingly Brexit seems to have only strengthened European unity if the recent polls in Austria are any guide, and they've generally been more hostile to the EU than we ever were.

Long and short, the requirement to protect the European project is of far bigger importance to them than relations with the UK.

Flip over to us. We seem to want a FTA without the things that a FTA would require, such as close regulatory alignment. That'll be a fun battle for further down the line if a WAB ever passes (and the odds on that just got longer with a GE in play). I'm not sure what people were expecting to happen at this time. If we leave the customs union then there'll need to be customs checks. Both sides would require that eventually, despite the bluff and bluster. We're not even there yet anyway, this is just the preamble.

One thing we do know, No Deal would be absolutely devastating in the short term, and by that I mean years not weeks. Entire industries would be in danger of folding, particularly JIT ones likes manufacturing. It's insane and reckless and no sane Govt should even consider it. It's not even a valid negotiating tactic as I've outlined above there are some things the EU simply can't fold on. And on this issue, both sides are in exactly the same boat, the EU can't threaten no deal either as they've had the chance enough times and France have threatened it. It's meaningless. We don't take it seriously either, despite Johnson trying to force his deal through on that basis.

If Brexit happens, inherently it'll impact negatively in the short term, so I never really bought the argument that just because something negatively impacts the economy it's reason in itself to stop it. But No Deal would border on the cataclysmic for some sectors. Surely nobody voted for that, back in 2016 when people weren't so polarised as they are now.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:28 - Oct 29 with 662 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Oct 29 by Gowerjack

Rather depends on how Farage reacts as the Brexit Party is the only thing that's going to be able to stop Johnson having a working majority next time.

At least we'll be rid of St Jeremy and that throbber McCluskey..


They'd only be replaced by another identikit Trust - Fund Socialist.

By the way is Boris going to shìt out and become a chlorinated chicken if the amendments go through?

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Worse PM ever. And I didn't think I'd be saying that so soon after May.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:06 - Oct 29 with 621 viewsmonmouth

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Worse PM ever. And I didn't think I'd be saying that so soon after May.


I did.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:29 - Oct 29 with 590 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:41 - Oct 29 by JackSomething

I look forward to Bluey telling us about the hordes of Remain voting students voting in their term-time district, then racing home to their parents' address to vote again in a dastardly plot to defy the will of the people!


Better tell that to the students bragging about having done it in 2017 on social media...

The amendments are crap, tbh. Allow EU nationals the vote? Jeez. 16-17 year olds? They know full well that means GE will be delayed as it'll take time to get all registered.

Makes you wonder what Labour and Lib Dems are scared of.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:30 - Oct 29 with 589 viewsWingstandwood

*Breaking news*

Amendment for a 9th December general election date selected. Seems to be the only amendment chosen for tonight's vote.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:29 - Oct 29 by bluey_the_blue

Better tell that to the students bragging about having done it in 2017 on social media...

The amendments are crap, tbh. Allow EU nationals the vote? Jeez. 16-17 year olds? They know full well that means GE will be delayed as it'll take time to get all registered.

Makes you wonder what Labour and Lib Dems are scared of.


Anyway, this is a scandalous abuse of Parliament, railroading legislation through in just six hours like this.

Isn’t it, Bluey? Eh? Eh? Eh?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:21 - Oct 29 with 510 viewswaynekerr55

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Anyway, this is a scandalous abuse of Parliament, railroading legislation through in just six hours like this.

Isn’t it, Bluey? Eh? Eh? Eh?


Those pesky remoaners...

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:26 - Oct 29 with 497 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Students bragging on social media eh?

Must be true then.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:03 - Oct 29 with 463 viewsexiledclaseboy

Disappointingly, MPs have rejected the amendment to have the election on Monday 9 December, so we’re now stuck with 12 December. A boring old traditional Thursday election.

Pah.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:06 - Oct 29 with 452 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:03 - Oct 29 by exiledclaseboy

Disappointingly, MPs have rejected the amendment to have the election on Monday 9 December, so we’re now stuck with 12 December. A boring old traditional Thursday election.

Pah.
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So Johnny gets what he wanted yesterday. Well done Lib Dems Jocks and Corbyn.

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So Johnny gets what he wanted yesterday. Well done Lib Dems Jocks and Corbyn.


Not quite. What he wanted yesterday was an election on 12 December plus an agreement to bring back his WAB to get that through parliament so we could leave before that election and he could then be hailed as The Man who Delivered Brexit.

He had to chuck the second part.

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