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Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 230019 viewsSgorioFruit

Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy.

My methods are not favoured by some but by god i speak the truth.
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Corona Virus on 13:12 - Apr 12 with 1233 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 11:17 - Apr 12 by leighton1318

I’m guessing you don’t agree with my point? Your language is unclear.

Let me explain. The Marxist angle is that Govt lets the masses have just enough to be comfortable and stay in their place. The simple pleasures of alcoholic refreshment fall into that category.

Take the booze away, as a few psychos on this thread seems to want, and you will be far more likely to precipitate trouble.

I’m not (particularly) a Marxist btw but The Local State by Cynthia Cockburn is (was) a very good read.
[Post edited 12 Apr 11:28]


An odd thing happened... my reply was made after your edit but I read the original - perhaps I oppened the page up pre-edit and did no(t) refresh the page? So my apologies to you, sir!

Your edit and the later clarification makes perfect sense (now )

I would further your position by adding (a presumption on my part) that many folk are getting in volumes of alcohol to turn the good weather and being stuck at home into their normal foreign holiday - lazing in the sun drinking a bit too much and talking about what the papers are saying about Blighty.

My only disagreement of your position is that it's not just the Marxists who want a pliant, placid populace. It appears that the whole political class prefer us taking in bread and circuses.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 15:29 - Apr 12 with 1138 viewsCountyJim

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18375062.half-royal-gwent-newport-e-workf

We are having it rough in the Gwent
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Corona Virus on 16:03 - Apr 12 with 1079 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 15:29 - Apr 12 by CountyJim

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18375062.half-royal-gwent-newport-e-workf

We are having it rough in the Gwent


That is very tough indeed, how are you coping with so many out?
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Corona Virus on 16:27 - Apr 12 with 1039 viewsCountyJim

Corona Virus on 16:03 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad

That is very tough indeed, how are you coping with so many out?


Facilities which is what porters come under have taken on a load of agency lads its strange mind 🤔 it used to take weeks for police checks to be done now it seems days

Nursing wise just using more agency nurses

It must be costing a fortune
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Corona Virus on 16:28 - Apr 12 with 1037 viewsDJack

For AfD and others who believe that hydroxychloroquin is the drug to fight Covid 19 with. Sanofi is one of the producers of hydroxychloroquin and below is the English language press release from Sanofi and also a link to the original French version which can be read with the use of google translate. The following excerpt is taken from the release


"To date, there is insufficient clinical evidence to draw any conclusion over the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in the management of COVID-19 patients."


https://www.sanofi.com/en/media-room/press-releases/2020/2020-04-10-07-55-20

https://ml-eu.globenewswire.com/Resource/Download/bae9335b-a0bb-456e-8464-51431d

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 16:37 - Apr 12 with 1016 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 16:28 - Apr 12 by DJack

For AfD and others who believe that hydroxychloroquin is the drug to fight Covid 19 with. Sanofi is one of the producers of hydroxychloroquin and below is the English language press release from Sanofi and also a link to the original French version which can be read with the use of google translate. The following excerpt is taken from the release


"To date, there is insufficient clinical evidence to draw any conclusion over the safety and efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in the management of COVID-19 patients."


https://www.sanofi.com/en/media-room/press-releases/2020/2020-04-10-07-55-20

https://ml-eu.globenewswire.com/Resource/Download/bae9335b-a0bb-456e-8464-51431d


Yes & despite their statement they have ramped up production by double and will ramp up to quadruple normal ASAP.
It sounds like they expect to be donating quite a lot soon, which is very good of them indeed.

You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day, but it looks like current hospital treatment is treating the wrong desease.
The problem is the COVID19 Virus attacks your blood stripping out and releasing Iron ions in the hemoglobin which
a. depletes the blood’s oxygen carrying capacity causing organ failure and
b. the Iron ions act as free radicals damaging the lungs and other organs.

This is one for the Proff to chase up with his in the know buddies.
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Corona Virus on 16:50 - Apr 12 with 996 viewsmonmouth

If only medical experts could learn to use google rather than actual evidence, they’d all be as cutting edge as AFD.

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Corona Virus on 16:56 - Apr 12 with 978 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 16:50 - Apr 12 by monmouth

If only medical experts could learn to use google rather than actual evidence, they’d all be as cutting edge as AFD.


But I am just quoting those "experts" you are talking about.
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Corona Virus on 17:01 - Apr 12 with 973 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 16:37 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad

Yes & despite their statement they have ramped up production by double and will ramp up to quadruple normal ASAP.
It sounds like they expect to be donating quite a lot soon, which is very good of them indeed.

You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day, but it looks like current hospital treatment is treating the wrong desease.
The problem is the COVID19 Virus attacks your blood stripping out and releasing Iron ions in the hemoglobin which
a. depletes the blood’s oxygen carrying capacity causing organ failure and
b. the Iron ions act as free radicals damaging the lungs and other organs.

This is one for the Proff to chase up with his in the know buddies.


If Trump (who actively holds shares in Sanofi) pushes the US to use HCQ(Plaquenil) in therapeutic treatment then they will need a lot of stock, however...

https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-149

Also, CDC's website states: "There are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."



As to "You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day" you may be correct or I may have missed it. Please repost the link.

And to your final comment, Prof and "his buddies" have probably forgotten more than you will ever know on the subject. Any sane person would reference them before you I'm afraid.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 17:07 - Apr 12 with 961 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 17:01 - Apr 12 by DJack

If Trump (who actively holds shares in Sanofi) pushes the US to use HCQ(Plaquenil) in therapeutic treatment then they will need a lot of stock, however...

https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-149

Also, CDC's website states: "There are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."



As to "You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day" you may be correct or I may have missed it. Please repost the link.

And to your final comment, Prof and "his buddies" have probably forgotten more than you will ever know on the subject. Any sane person would reference them before you I'm afraid.


You misunderstand, I want Prof and his buddies expertise to analyse what the other experts with their expertise are saying.

Here is another link which is in plain english rather than medical & chemical wording, it makes very interesting reading and explains why respirators don't work for everybody.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/ https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-

The previous one is

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/urgent-new-medical-theory-on-coronavirus-hold-t
[Post edited 12 Apr 17:08]
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Corona Virus on 17:21 - Apr 12 with 933 viewsjasper_T

Corona Virus on 17:01 - Apr 12 by DJack

If Trump (who actively holds shares in Sanofi) pushes the US to use HCQ(Plaquenil) in therapeutic treatment then they will need a lot of stock, however...

https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-149

Also, CDC's website states: "There are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."



As to "You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day" you may be correct or I may have missed it. Please repost the link.

And to your final comment, Prof and "his buddies" have probably forgotten more than you will ever know on the subject. Any sane person would reference them before you I'm afraid.


Personally I wouldn't reference anyone who's notable for how much they've forgotten. Maybe I'm weird, though. It's Biden vs Trump for the next US presidential campaign after all.
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Corona Virus on 17:25 - Apr 12 with 915 viewschad

Corona Virus on 17:01 - Apr 12 by DJack

If Trump (who actively holds shares in Sanofi) pushes the US to use HCQ(Plaquenil) in therapeutic treatment then they will need a lot of stock, however...

https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-france-heart-cardiac-149

Also, CDC's website states: "There are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."



As to "You probbly didn't bother to read the link I posted the other day" you may be correct or I may have missed it. Please repost the link.

And to your final comment, Prof and "his buddies" have probably forgotten more than you will ever know on the subject. Any sane person would reference them before you I'm afraid.


Do you actually think AFD wants us to reference him

Cannot you see he is raising issues as discussion points and happy for them to be knocked down with alternative information

This is after all a discussion forum isn’t it and isn’t anyone entitled to an opinion

I think Prof mentioned he is not a virologist BTW does that make his opinion any the less valid?
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Corona Virus on 18:23 - Apr 12 with 850 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 17:21 - Apr 12 by jasper_T

Personally I wouldn't reference anyone who's notable for how much they've forgotten. Maybe I'm weird, though. It's Biden vs Trump for the next US presidential campaign after all.


As you well know the point I was making was that the experts have a far superior levels of knowledge in their field than a rando on the internet. Secondly, can you proivide any citation that demonstrates the Prof and/or "his mates" is/are notable for how much they've forgotten?

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 18:29 - Apr 12 with 838 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 17:25 - Apr 12 by chad

Do you actually think AFD wants us to reference him

Cannot you see he is raising issues as discussion points and happy for them to be knocked down with alternative information

This is after all a discussion forum isn’t it and isn’t anyone entitled to an opinion

I think Prof mentioned he is not a virologist BTW does that make his opinion any the less valid?


Incorrect he has pushed some false things.

Yes you can have your opinion and I can provide links to facts when able.

The Prof actually pointed out this

"I am not virologist, but I have worked in infectious disease research for nearly 25 years. I set up and ran a successful MSc on Infection and Disease Control and have published more than a 100 research papers. I am not a coronavirus expert but have a good friend and colleague who is. I have other medic colleagues who are absolute leaders in treating emerging viral infections. I am reading the primary literature not some opinion on the internet. " Quite a difference don't you think?

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 18:35 - Apr 12 with 827 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 17:07 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad

You misunderstand, I want Prof and his buddies expertise to analyse what the other experts with their expertise are saying.

Here is another link which is in plain english rather than medical & chemical wording, it makes very interesting reading and explains why respirators don't work for everybody.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/ https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-

The previous one is

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/urgent-new-medical-theory-on-coronavirus-hold-t
[Post edited 12 Apr 17:08]


Your first link doesn't work for me and your second is where someone has proposed a hypothesis. So currently you got nothing.

This may well change but I prefer to stick with current proven work and to keep it light...










It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 18:55 - Apr 12 with 796 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 18:35 - Apr 12 by DJack

Your first link doesn't work for me and your second is where someone has proposed a hypothesis. So currently you got nothing.

This may well change but I prefer to stick with current proven work and to keep it light...











Yes it is a hypothesis that fits all the facts and comes from doctors in the field, one of them is in New York City, it will remain one until the health services prove or disprove it.
Try this version.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061346/ https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-

If this is correct it means that not only are they treating the wrong thing, the treatment regime is also incorrect.
ie you need to give any medicien when the symptoms first show, not when the have been in self isolation and the blood damage has progressed and they need ICU.

edit, that link doesn't work either.
[Post edited 12 Apr 19:00]
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Corona Virus on 18:59 - Apr 12 with 784 viewsProfessor

Corona Virus on 18:29 - Apr 12 by DJack

Incorrect he has pushed some false things.

Yes you can have your opinion and I can provide links to facts when able.

The Prof actually pointed out this

"I am not virologist, but I have worked in infectious disease research for nearly 25 years. I set up and ran a successful MSc on Infection and Disease Control and have published more than a 100 research papers. I am not a coronavirus expert but have a good friend and colleague who is. I have other medic colleagues who are absolute leaders in treating emerging viral infections. I am reading the primary literature not some opinion on the internet. " Quite a difference don't you think?


I am not a virologist I work on bacterial infection and immunity.

These are my colleagues:
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=MBGsvm4AAAAJ&hl=en

https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=LNfrryAAAAAJ&hl=en

This is summary of what is going on here
https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/coronavirus/research-and-analysis/

As for the chloroquine-‘it looks to be detrimental not helpful in CoVid19 from the preprints
I am seeing
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Corona Virus on 19:00 - Apr 12 with 780 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 18:55 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad

Yes it is a hypothesis that fits all the facts and comes from doctors in the field, one of them is in New York City, it will remain one until the health services prove or disprove it.
Try this version.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061346/ https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-

If this is correct it means that not only are they treating the wrong thing, the treatment regime is also incorrect.
ie you need to give any medicien when the symptoms first show, not when the have been in self isolation and the blood damage has progressed and they need ICU.

edit, that link doesn't work either.
[Post edited 12 Apr 19:00]


Once again I got a 410 error message with this message below it

"This account is under investigation or was found in violation of the Medium Rules."

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 19:03 - Apr 12 with 770 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 18:59 - Apr 12 by Professor

I am not a virologist I work on bacterial infection and immunity.

These are my colleagues:
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=MBGsvm4AAAAJ&hl=en

https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=LNfrryAAAAAJ&hl=en

This is summary of what is going on here
https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/coronavirus/research-and-analysis/

As for the chloroquine-‘it looks to be detrimental not helpful in CoVid19 from the preprints
I am seeing


You don't need to tell me buddy!

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 19:19 - Apr 12 with 755 viewsProfessor

Corona Virus on 19:03 - Apr 12 by DJack

You don't need to tell me buddy!


Was just replying to a sensible post!
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Corona Virus on 19:21 - Apr 12 with 747 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Corona Virus on 18:59 - Apr 12 by Professor

I am not a virologist I work on bacterial infection and immunity.

These are my colleagues:
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=MBGsvm4AAAAJ&hl=en

https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=LNfrryAAAAAJ&hl=en

This is summary of what is going on here
https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/coronavirus/research-and-analysis/

As for the chloroquine-‘it looks to be detrimental not helpful in CoVid19 from the preprints
I am seeing


Prof, you keep mentioning chloroquine, that is not the one recommended by the US doctors or the French.
It is Hydroxychloroquine, which was introduced when Chloroquine became less effective against Malaria.

Any way if you want to read the article, go here where they have a copy

https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-hav
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Corona Virus on 19:24 - Apr 12 with 743 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 19:19 - Apr 12 by Professor

Was just replying to a sensible post!


You will ruin my credibility with this post!

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 19:25 - Apr 12 with 738 viewsexiledclaseboy

My mrs takes Hydroxehatsitquine. Should I be nicking some?

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Corona Virus on 19:27 - Apr 12 with 737 viewsDJack

Corona Virus on 19:21 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad

Prof, you keep mentioning chloroquine, that is not the one recommended by the US doctors or the French.
It is Hydroxychloroquine, which was introduced when Chloroquine became less effective against Malaria.

Any way if you want to read the article, go here where they have a copy

https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-hav


The guy behind the podcast is this fella...

https://www.newsweek.com/chuck-woolery-anti-semitism-tweet-socialism-judaism-mar

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Corona Virus on 19:29 - Apr 12 with 1421 viewsjasper_T

Corona Virus on 18:23 - Apr 12 by DJack

As you well know the point I was making was that the experts have a far superior levels of knowledge in their field than a rando on the internet. Secondly, can you proivide any citation that demonstrates the Prof and/or "his mates" is/are notable for how much they've forgotten?


You literally noted it in the post I responded to, don't be dense.
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