| ST update on 19:55 - May 22 with 2480 views | Treforys_Jack |
| ST update on 18:50 - May 22 by marchamjack |
It was Rodon’s family replying to my tweet calling the players out. Apparently taking a wage deferral is more than enough and no more should be expected of the players. They are doing their bit... |
He would be wise to not make any comments and advise his family the same. |  | |  |
| ST update on 19:57 - May 22 with 2476 views | Neath_Jack |
| ST update on 17:59 - May 22 by NeathJack |
Pretty sure that was PL games and even then, only a certain number free to air.
On the whole player wage cut front, the bottom line is unless they are prepared to do that then numerous clubs will likely go under. I for one would be much happier leaving my allocated refund in the club if I could see that those in a much better financial position than myself and 99% of the fans, were prepared to make a sacrifice as well.
But if the tweets I read last night from a family member of a prominent Swans player are reflective of the players general attitude towards this, then it's not going to happen. |
Ah right furry muff. |  |
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| ST update on 20:29 - May 22 with 2432 views | Darran |
| ST update on 19:46 - May 22 by marchamjack |
I get what you’re saying and in fairness, I called the players out back at the time they took a deferral and some fanboys were fawning over them not realising it was a deferral and thinking it was a wage cut. The players remain somehow elite and untouchable and beyond criticism in this. Well to me that’s bllx. Them, and in further fairness, Birch, Cooper and all the senior management team should be doing their bit and taking cuts (if they’re not). The current owners are plainly never going to put their hands in their pockets, never have, never will and we’re pssing into the wind trying to call them out on this ( even though they should be). I just hoped some of the players might show some bllx and share some pain with the fans. The ex-owners are down the road and they’re not going to do anything to financially help the club now, whether we think morally they should or are somehow obliged to do, which of course at this time they’re not.
If the players and senior management figures had told us they were covering a share of the ST monies and that we were then in this together, there would be calls to build a statue to Birch on twitter right now |
I get your drift pal. |  |
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| ST update on 20:43 - May 22 with 2418 views | BillyChong |
| ST update on 14:14 - May 22 by dunvantjack100 |
Short answer, they shouldn’t.
Yes they are on more money than others, but they are also forced to retire at 35-38 roughly. They are under contract here and although it’s not a job for them, it is likely to be their main or even only source of income for their families.
I think the question to ask to those who have said they have / would take a pay cut to help reduce the chance of redundancies, would you do the same if you knew you could immediately get work and a likely raise if you left? The reason wages are so high in football is because if one club won’t pay it, another will. |
What do you mean by their main or only source of income?! Have you ever heard of a footballer having to get a second job to survive?! |  | | |
| ST update on 20:52 - May 22 with 2403 views | QJumpingJack |
Where are we with the parachute payments? Are we better protected than other clubs in the division who have not been in the Premier League for some time? | | | |
| ST update on 21:02 - May 22 with 2383 views | chad |
| ST update on 20:43 - May 22 by BillyChong |
What do you mean by their main or only source of income?! Have you ever heard of a footballer having to get a second job to survive?! |
I am not sure if Ash had to in the end. I seem to remember how his manager used to stress how difficult it was for him with a family to bring up.
Hopefully the child benefit helped. |  | | |
| ST update on 21:14 - May 22 with 2364 views | BillyChong |
| ST update on 20:52 - May 22 by QJumpingJack |
Where are we with the parachute payments? Are we better protected than other clubs in the division who have not been in the Premier League for some time? |
Been used to refund DC United season tickets | | | |
| ST update on 22:47 - May 22 with 2293 views | TNT |
Take me back to '76 Division Four, and I'm there 100%.
The Yanks can fk themselves off out of this. You bought it, you sort it!
If we revert to '76, I'm there. | |
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| ST update on 23:00 - May 22 with 2271 views | longlostjack |
| ST update on 22:47 - May 22 by TNT |
Take me back to '76 Division Four, and I'm there 100%.
The Yanks can fk themselves off out of this. You bought it, you sort it!
If we revert to '76, I'm there. |
ðŸ‘ðŸ‘👠Money has ruined the game. Hope the Premier League implodes. A victim of it’s own greed. |  |
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| ST update on 23:13 - May 22 with 2254 views | TNT |
| ST update on 23:00 - May 22 by longlostjack |
ðŸ‘ðŸ‘👠Money has ruined the game. Hope the Premier League implodes. A victim of it’s own greed. |
The PL needs to implode.
We can survive, we've risen like a Swan (phoenix) before. | |
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| ST update on 09:34 - May 23 with 2141 views | Gowerjack |
I'm roughly £500 into the club at the moment.
I'll be asking for a full refund until such time as the owners, senior management & players also share the burden.
And I don't want any vouchers to spend on the tacky shite they sell in the club shop. |  |
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| ST update on 11:15 - May 23 with 2073 views | Swanjaxs |
| ST update on 18:50 - May 22 by marchamjack |
It was Rodon’s family replying to my tweet calling the players out. Apparently taking a wage deferral is more than enough and no more should be expected of the players. They are doing their bit... |
Talking of Tweets...
Here's one from LD ironically trying to take the moral high ground, and a certain players father taking him to task ðŸ§
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| ST update on 12:33 - May 23 with 2019 views | Darran |
| ST update on 11:15 - May 23 by Swanjaxs |
Talking of Tweets...
Here's one from LD ironically trying to take the moral high ground, and a certain players father taking him to task ðŸ§
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No morals whatsoever. Well it’s either no morals or he’s pickled in the fumes from his own brewery.
Makes some utterly embarrassing comments. | |
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| ST update on 12:50 - May 23 with 2000 views | Swanjaxs |
| ST update on 12:33 - May 23 by Darran |
No morals whatsoever. Well it’s either no morals or he’s pickled in the fumes from his own brewery.
Makes some utterly embarrassing comments. |
Absolutely 💯
He's a right banger is Dineen. | |
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| ST update on 13:33 - May 23 with 1956 views | pencoedjack |
| ST update on 12:33 - May 23 by Darran |
No morals whatsoever. Well it’s either no morals or he’s pickled in the fumes from his own brewery.
Makes some utterly embarrassing comments. |
He’s either pretty thick or very thick skinned. |  | | |
| ST update on 13:56 - May 23 with 1936 views | monmouth |
| ST update on 13:33 - May 23 by pencoedjack |
He’s either pretty thick or very thick skinned. |
Or both?
Small time puffed up nowt that got lucky. He knows it, we know it, all his 'mates' know it and his family know it. Just a pathetic excuse for a man. |  |
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| ST update on 14:01 - May 23 with 1928 views | pencoedjack |
| ST update on 13:56 - May 23 by monmouth |
Or both?
Small time puffed up nowt that got lucky. He knows it, we know it, all his 'mates' know it and his family know it. Just a pathetic excuse for a man. |
Never met him but certainly seems that way.
Comes across a right cock as does JVZ. | | | |
| ST update on 18:03 - May 23 with 1816 views | pencoedjack |
| ST update on 22:47 - May 22 by TNT |
Take me back to '76 Division Four, and I'm there 100%.
The Yanks can fk themselves off out of this. You bought it, you sort it!
If we revert to '76, I'm there. |
Sounds fun fella.
A nice trip to Cheltenham/Swindon/Plymouth/Exeter would be nice today | | | |
| ST update on 18:23 - May 23 with 1780 views | NotLoyal |
| ST update on 13:35 - May 22 by Phil_S |
to your last question then yes.and it is a point already represented towards the club (and released in a statement that was covered by the BBC - can provide links a bit later if you want to read in more detail)
It will be the only way the club will survive if we are all in this together and I think there will be a viewpoint in many that they wont take a financial hit to subsidise those who won't
Many people have told me they have a view that they have budgeted and spent next seasons ST money but they don't want it left in the club to subsidise (as an example) Ayew's wages which are more in a week than most of us earn in a year
I get and understand the views of they have contracts and the PFA saying they are protected but IMO the club scored an own goal by lauding the Chairman and manager taking pay deferrals. Had those been cuts it would have set a different mood
I'm also mindful this isn't unique to Swansea City, it is a football wide issue |
Birch comes across as no more than a hired gun, this recent season ticket request exposes him for what he is and the club has become. Nothing from the fcking yanks for months, pair of cnts they are as well.
No better than silver shield, Lewis, and all the other interim idiots before Petty.
Bridges burned. |  |
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| ST update on 20:37 - May 23 with 1726 views | Oneill_77 |
| ST update on 15:05 - May 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Firstly football players are not ‘forced to retire’ at 35-38. They are forced to retire from football. There no reason why they can’t do any other job for the next 30 years, same as everyone else has to.
Secondly, the average wage in the UK is just under £29k for full time employees. If someone works from 20 until 67, they will earn (in today’s money) £1.36m over their entire working life.
If a footballer is on, say £90k per week, they earn the average lifetime wage in 15 weeks. We’ve been in lockdown for 9 weeks, football hasn’t happened for 10 weeks. In another 5 weeks, Ayew will have earned the average lifetime wage since the start of the football lockdown.
A player on £10k a week will take 136 weeks to earn a lifetime’s wage - that’s just over two and a half years. Even a player on £5k per week earns it in 5 years.
The biggest companies in the UK and elsewhere, have seen extensive cuts to executive pay and fairly widespread cuts to pay across the board. Half of the FTSE100 have had cuts, voluntary cuts, at executive level (these are also people that could walk into another job - they’re better at what they do than our players are at what they do - these are the Liverpool, Man City, Barcelona, Madrid equivalents.
Footballers aren’t the way they are because they retire early, or because they can get other jobs at a rival on the same money, or because they have no real attachment to their employer. They’re the way they are because many people that would take 40 years of work to pay the wages of a player for a few months are complete and utter mugs. More fool them. |
Unfortunately this type of common, simplistic perspective only serves to tarnish the reputation of the Football industry and fuel fans' discontent.
Football Fans cannot be compared with customers of FTSE companies.
FTSE companies (in the main) cannot be compared with Footy companies.
FTSE CXOs absolutely cannot be compared with Football players.
Football fans pay good money to follow the team they love to watch the players deliver entertainment, score goals and win games.
- We go to watch (say, Ayew) do his magic, do an assist, score a goal etc
FTSE customers don't do the above.
- We don't go and watch (say, the CFO) balance the books, strike a refinancing deal etc
Football fans are stakeholders with a deep connection. Footballers are the way they are because us fans are more than happy to pay good money to watch them play for the team we love. 9/10 fans would happily invest that £85 back in the club.
To call football fans mugs on a football fans forum is odd, to say the least.
(Deloitte has some top experts who specialise in the Football industry, they are worth speaking to) | | | |
| ST update on 20:40 - May 23 with 1720 views | Zaxx |
Since the remaining matches will be played behind closed doors I think I'd be happy to be given free access to stream the remaining 4 home matches, particularly if the 5 away streams are added to the package. |  | | |
| ST update on 21:35 - May 23 with 1684 views | monmouth |
| ST update on 20:37 - May 23 by Oneill_77 |
Unfortunately this type of common, simplistic perspective only serves to tarnish the reputation of the Football industry and fuel fans' discontent.
Football Fans cannot be compared with customers of FTSE companies.
FTSE companies (in the main) cannot be compared with Footy companies.
FTSE CXOs absolutely cannot be compared with Football players.
Football fans pay good money to follow the team they love to watch the players deliver entertainment, score goals and win games.
- We go to watch (say, Ayew) do his magic, do an assist, score a goal etc
FTSE customers don't do the above.
- We don't go and watch (say, the CFO) balance the books, strike a refinancing deal etc
Football fans are stakeholders with a deep connection. Footballers are the way they are because us fans are more than happy to pay good money to watch them play for the team we love. 9/10 fans would happily invest that £85 back in the club.
To call football fans mugs on a football fans forum is odd, to say the least.
(Deloitte has some top experts who specialise in the Football industry, they are worth speaking to) |
"Tarnish the reputation of the football industry"
Brilliant. You should be on the stage.
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| ST update on 21:50 - May 23 with 1670 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
I’ll be having my money back unless they stream home and away games to their life and blood . |  |
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| ST update on 12:35 - May 24 with 1495 views | londonlisa2001 |
| ST update on 20:37 - May 23 by Oneill_77 |
Unfortunately this type of common, simplistic perspective only serves to tarnish the reputation of the Football industry and fuel fans' discontent.
Football Fans cannot be compared with customers of FTSE companies.
FTSE companies (in the main) cannot be compared with Footy companies.
FTSE CXOs absolutely cannot be compared with Football players.
Football fans pay good money to follow the team they love to watch the players deliver entertainment, score goals and win games.
- We go to watch (say, Ayew) do his magic, do an assist, score a goal etc
FTSE customers don't do the above.
- We don't go and watch (say, the CFO) balance the books, strike a refinancing deal etc
Football fans are stakeholders with a deep connection. Footballers are the way they are because us fans are more than happy to pay good money to watch them play for the team we love. 9/10 fans would happily invest that £85 back in the club.
To call football fans mugs on a football fans forum is odd, to say the least.
(Deloitte has some top experts who specialise in the Football industry, they are worth speaking to) |
“Unfortunately this type of common, simplistic perspective only serves to tarnish the reputation of the Football industry“
Yep, you’re probably right. When I’ve considered again this morning whether the industry’s reputation has been tarnished and fans’ discontent fuelled by:
(a) the behaviour of household names flouting lockdown regulations by hiring girls for sex parties, trashing cars etc;
(b) the refusal of players to accept any request whatsoever to take cuts to their enormous pay packets while the admin staff employed by their clubs get furloughed using public money; or
(c) me posting on this board
I can only accept that it’s my post that has done it. Sorry.
Although if 9/10 fans are going to happily invest the £85 back in the club then thankfully there’s nothing to worry about is there. Good for everyone.
You’re an interesting poster. Did your deep connection start when you first started posting on here? | | | |
| ST update on 13:08 - May 24 with 1462 views | QJumpingJack |
Sky Sports will be showing 3-4 games per match round if football returns.
If the Swans are live on Sky, and you are a season ticket holder and a sky sports subscriber - it is not a great deal. | | | |
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