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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 13:59 - Aug 28 by Humpty
As I've already said, many times, I support the basic anti racism aims of BLM though I don't agree with some of their policies. I don't think the far left message they also support as helpful.
I don't think BLM support violence, though some members may support it. I certainly don't.
What anti racism aims do you believe they have then? If you back them, then you must believe they exist; so in what form?
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:02 - Aug 28 by Dr_Parnassus
What anti racism aims do you believe they have then? If you back them, then you must believe they exist; so in what form?
They oppose the way black people in the US are treated by the police/criminal justice system. I agree with them.
As for the UK, the police are certainly not as bad as the in the US, but black people here are unhappy how they are treated by the police. Not being black and not experiencing it myself, it's hard to know the actual situation but I believe they do have genuine grievances, No doubt you will dismiss it all.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:12 - Aug 28 with 1426 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:10 - Aug 28 by Humpty
They oppose the way black people in the US are treated by the police/criminal justice system. I agree with them.
As for the UK, the police are certainly not as bad as the in the US, but black people here are unhappy how they are treated by the police. Not being black and not experiencing it myself, it's hard to know the actual situation but I believe they do have genuine grievances, No doubt you will dismiss it all.
Again that’s a very broad brush, 20% of the police force is black.
What specifically are you agreeing with them about. They seem to think blacks people are disproportionately killed by police. That’s a lie though isn’t it?
If you don’t think it’s a lie can you tell me why you agree with it. Considering it is their catalyst and main focus it may make sense to start here before moving on to other areas.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:12 - Aug 28 by Dr_Parnassus
Again that’s a very broad brush, 20% of the police force is black.
What specifically are you agreeing with them about. They seem to think blacks people are disproportionately killed by police. That’s a lie though isn’t it?
If you don’t think it’s a lie can you tell me why you agree with it. Considering it is their catalyst and main focus it may make sense to start here before moving on to other areas.
I've answered you.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:29 - Aug 28 with 1414 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 14:23 - Aug 28 by Humpty
I've answered you.
No you haven’t, you have a very broad brush stroke in the hope I wouldn’t ask you to expand.
Again, their main grievance is that black people are being killed disproportionately by cops. Do you agree or disagree with them? If you agree can you show me that because all police killings are public record and easily accessible.
If you can show me that they are disproportionately high then you will have converted me.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Why do I get that sinking feeling that Humpty has ran for the hills the second his opinion has seen any sort of prod for more detail.
Anyway I’m off out now, in the faint hope that you do come back with an answer I will get back to you in due course. May give you a bit of time to actually research your own opinion...
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 13:59 - Aug 28 by A_Fans_Dad
I will pick just one point. Pandemic rates in the USA. Now explain to me as Kilkenny can't, what it has to do with the President. It was established early on that he was NOT responsible for how the various states controlled the pandemic, the Governors were. Now tell me why 7 of the top ten worst states for mortality rates which are all run by Democrats, the top 5 all being Democrat states is the Presidents fault.
Sorry Dad, missed it.
Why is Trump responsible?
From the beginning he hasn't taken it seriously.
He wouldn't wear a mask, he said it was just the flu, that it would just go away on it's own. He holds events with no social distancing, like yesterday. He has been urging states to open up business again when the rate of cases was still climbing. The states opened up and then shut down again a few weeks later when cases rocketed.
I'm sure there's lots more but that's enough to get started.
You can now tell me that everything I wrote is rubbish and I've been fooled by MSM.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 18:51 - Aug 28 with 1318 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 18:03 - Aug 28 by Humpty
Sorry Dad, missed it.
Why is Trump responsible?
From the beginning he hasn't taken it seriously.
He wouldn't wear a mask, he said it was just the flu, that it would just go away on it's own. He holds events with no social distancing, like yesterday. He has been urging states to open up business again when the rate of cases was still climbing. The states opened up and then shut down again a few weeks later when cases rocketed.
I'm sure there's lots more but that's enough to get started.
You can now tell me that everything I wrote is rubbish and I've been fooled by MSM.
But Dr Fauci said Masks didn't work. along with the CDC, WHO and our own NHS. He holds events without social distancing, you mean like all the protest marchers etc. Businesses can open if the correct precautions are taken, even you must know that. The COVID cases are climbing because of the number of tests they are carrying out, 78 million and counting. Let me also explain something to you, if you divide the number of cases by the number of tests it tells you the infection rate. 2 months ago the overall US infection rate was 8.6%, 1 month ago it was 8.0% and now it is 7.60%. Do you see what that means, they are doing more tests and actually finding less cases. Their deaths v cases (mortality rate) was 3.7%, a month ago 3.3% and now it is 3.05%. So less of those ill are dying as well. But none of that has to do with the President, just as the worst 5 mortality rates in the the Democrat run states had nothing to do with him either.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 18:57 - Aug 28 with 1312 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 18:51 - Aug 28 by A_Fans_Dad
But Dr Fauci said Masks didn't work. along with the CDC, WHO and our own NHS. He holds events without social distancing, you mean like all the protest marchers etc. Businesses can open if the correct precautions are taken, even you must know that. The COVID cases are climbing because of the number of tests they are carrying out, 78 million and counting. Let me also explain something to you, if you divide the number of cases by the number of tests it tells you the infection rate. 2 months ago the overall US infection rate was 8.6%, 1 month ago it was 8.0% and now it is 7.60%. Do you see what that means, they are doing more tests and actually finding less cases. Their deaths v cases (mortality rate) was 3.7%, a month ago 3.3% and now it is 3.05%. So less of those ill are dying as well. But none of that has to do with the President, just as the worst 5 mortality rates in the the Democrat run states had nothing to do with him either.
Righto.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 19:24 - Aug 28 with 1305 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 18:51 - Aug 28 by A_Fans_Dad
But Dr Fauci said Masks didn't work. along with the CDC, WHO and our own NHS. He holds events without social distancing, you mean like all the protest marchers etc. Businesses can open if the correct precautions are taken, even you must know that. The COVID cases are climbing because of the number of tests they are carrying out, 78 million and counting. Let me also explain something to you, if you divide the number of cases by the number of tests it tells you the infection rate. 2 months ago the overall US infection rate was 8.6%, 1 month ago it was 8.0% and now it is 7.60%. Do you see what that means, they are doing more tests and actually finding less cases. Their deaths v cases (mortality rate) was 3.7%, a month ago 3.3% and now it is 3.05%. So less of those ill are dying as well. But none of that has to do with the President, just as the worst 5 mortality rates in the the Democrat run states had nothing to do with him either.
Remember these are Republicans-McCain, Romney and Bush people. He is supposed to provide leadership. Not ignore a problem. If disorder and public health are not his responsibility, what does he actually do. Those states also have most of the US's largest and most connected cities-like London, like Paris and Berlin disease is higher there. But you already know that.
And his non-distanced rallies have ended well too:
The current estimate is we detecting 40-50% of infected people, Plenty of asymptomatic carriers of SARS Cov2. Numbers going up is not exactly good news though-as numbers tested is not really increasing now.
Advice changes based on scientific evidence. WHO were the main culprit of getting masks wrong at the start, that is true.
We have no idea of how schools and colleges re-opening will impact yet. Anyone who says otherwise is just guessing.
Mortality rates are lower as the age of those infected is lower, here and the US and management is improved. Mortality of approaching a thousand a day is still a big issue though. We will have to see how seasonal the threat is too.
Yes, businesses can open. That is good, but we need to be prepared for local lockdowns. We all need proper contingency.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 20:45 - Aug 28 with 1290 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 19:24 - Aug 28 by Professor
Remember these are Republicans-McCain, Romney and Bush people. He is supposed to provide leadership. Not ignore a problem. If disorder and public health are not his responsibility, what does he actually do. Those states also have most of the US's largest and most connected cities-like London, like Paris and Berlin disease is higher there. But you already know that.
And his non-distanced rallies have ended well too:
The current estimate is we detecting 40-50% of infected people, Plenty of asymptomatic carriers of SARS Cov2. Numbers going up is not exactly good news though-as numbers tested is not really increasing now.
Advice changes based on scientific evidence. WHO were the main culprit of getting masks wrong at the start, that is true.
We have no idea of how schools and colleges re-opening will impact yet. Anyone who says otherwise is just guessing.
Mortality rates are lower as the age of those infected is lower, here and the US and management is improved. Mortality of approaching a thousand a day is still a big issue though. We will have to see how seasonal the threat is too.
Yes, businesses can open. That is good, but we need to be prepared for local lockdowns. We all need proper contingency.
Are you suggesting that the President of the USA should do something about disorder in a state without the State Governors support or request? The Democrat party and the MSM made it quite clear that the President can make overall policy but it is the absolute resonsiblity of the Governors to introduce what they want in their state. Or have you forgotten that little episode? As to the 2 states with the most atrocious mortality rates, it was their policy to send infected patients to old folks and care homes, which is where most of the deaths occured. Which is now being investigated by the DOJ. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr
There could be a lot of Law Suits involved if the DOJ do not do anything, probably a class action.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 21:26 - Aug 28 with 1278 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 20:45 - Aug 28 by A_Fans_Dad
Are you suggesting that the President of the USA should do something about disorder in a state without the State Governors support or request? The Democrat party and the MSM made it quite clear that the President can make overall policy but it is the absolute resonsiblity of the Governors to introduce what they want in their state. Or have you forgotten that little episode? As to the 2 states with the most atrocious mortality rates, it was their policy to send infected patients to old folks and care homes, which is where most of the deaths occured. Which is now being investigated by the DOJ. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr
There could be a lot of Law Suits involved if the DOJ do not do anything, probably a class action.
I ask you: Who cut the CDC pandemic unit? Put his son-in-law rather than a public health expert to lead the response? Pressured mainly GOP governors into ended lockdown too early? Went to play golf rather than lead his country through a disaster? Ignored most scientific advice? Told people this will be over by April, it’s just the flu, we are beating this? Failed to give clear guidance which led to deaths taking toxic substances?
More Americans dead than Vietnam, WW1 and 9/11. Lack of leadership
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 21:29 - Aug 28 with 1274 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 21:26 - Aug 28 by Professor
I ask you: Who cut the CDC pandemic unit? Put his son-in-law rather than a public health expert to lead the response? Pressured mainly GOP governors into ended lockdown too early? Went to play golf rather than lead his country through a disaster? Ignored most scientific advice? Told people this will be over by April, it’s just the flu, we are beating this? Failed to give clear guidance which led to deaths taking toxic substances?
More Americans dead than Vietnam, WW1 and 9/11. Lack of leadership
In Trump’s defence, he’s not been daft enough to recommend this cure...
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 15:44 - Aug 28 by Glossolalia
Humpty had a great fall and is thus incapacitated and unable to think independently. Don't waste your time Kerouac!
It’s a shame because I think there is a half decent poster in there. But currently he is a very dishonest character completely crippled by fear of the lack of depth of knowledge he has for his own opinion.
He is happy to get into deep and meaningful debates... just so long nobody asks him too many difficult questions and as long as he is allowed to give broad sweeping statements and make accusations he doesn’t have to back up or qualify.
But I now see why he was spending so much time trying to link me to “Dimmi”, it’s because he can run away from debate post haste, a bit like the leftist “racist” or “white supremacist” card when they get stuck and don’t know how to reply.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
I also missed the part when Humpster accused me of answering questions with one word.
What a barefaced lie.
Here is a challenge for you Hump. 10 questions each to be answered in full regarding our opinions, you can then appease any fear you have of being asked further questions and will of course give you ample opportunity to search into my opinion.
There are 2 main reasons why this proposal will terrify you:-
1) It will show that you have absolutely nothing behind the opinion you claim to possess, other than the fact you believe it’s the right side to be on because the media and your chums tell you so.
2) With my opinions fully backed, fact checked and qualified - you will no longer have your tool of conflating my view, making up parts of my view and making sweeping assumptions on my view.
These are the reasons you refuse to speak in depth about anything. It’s simply because you can’t, and would be far too damaging to your online persona even if you could.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 23:22 - Aug 28 by Dr_Parnassus
I also missed the part when Humpster accused me of answering questions with one word.
What a barefaced lie.
Here is a challenge for you Hump. 10 questions each to be answered in full regarding our opinions, you can then appease any fear you have of being asked further questions and will of course give you ample opportunity to search into my opinion.
There are 2 main reasons why this proposal will terrify you:-
1) It will show that you have absolutely nothing behind the opinion you claim to possess, other than the fact you believe it’s the right side to be on because the media and your chums tell you so.
2) With my opinions fully backed, fact checked and qualified - you will no longer have your tool of conflating my view, making up parts of my view and making sweeping assumptions on my view.
These are the reasons you refuse to speak in depth about anything. It’s simply because you can’t, and would be far too damaging to your online persona even if you could.
Lol.
I'm not terrified of you Dimmi. Or any other Trump fan. Just bored.
I haven't lied about anything. I didn't say you answered every question with one word, though you have dismissed some with one. Soundbites for example.
It's like dealing with bloody kids mun.
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Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 23:34 - Aug 28 with 1211 views
Kamala Harris Vs Donald Trump on 23:27 - Aug 28 by Humpty
Lol.
I'm not terrified of you Dimmi. Or any other Trump fan. Just bored.
I haven't lied about anything. I didn't say you answered every question with one word, though you have dismissed some with one. Soundbites for example.
It's like dealing with bloody kids mun.
They weren’t questions. Saying Trump is a draft dodger is not a political point worthy of discussion, it’s a soundbite.
If you make a political point I would love to get into it. Such as the international deals he “wrecks”, I asked for more information on which ones specifically and why.... no response.
You are certainly terrified of debate which is why you are avoiding it at all costs and spouting “Dimmi” at every opportunity in an attempt to absolve you of having to.
I knew there was a reason you were so belligerent on trying to link me with him.
But now you have the challenge of 10 questions (can make it 5 if it’s easier?) to be answered in full, it should appease any of the fears “boredom” you claim to have.
I’ll start:-
1) You claim to agree with BLM on race inequality. Their main driving force behind that is that black people are killed disproportionately by cops. If you agree, can you show that this is the case?
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
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