| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? 09:53 - Dec 13 with 33368 views | A_Fans_Dad |
The actions of Governments all over the world are shaped on the basis of the PCR COVID test results.
For months now there have been serious question marks over the accuracy of the tests.
Well now there is a definitive study on the original research and it's world wide adoption which is totally condemning.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
This does not decry the deaths that occur with COVID-19, but there are also many questions over the counting of them as well. |  | | |  |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 10:21 - Dec 18 with 1241 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:05 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
Speaking to one of the local health board medical directors yesterday, and he was telling me that one day this week, there were only 10, that is TEN, critical care beds available in the whole of Wales.
Don't worry though, it's a fake virus / not as bad as flu /worldwide government conspiracy theory to control you.
What would a medical director know about it eh.
State of some of you people aye. |
How very dare you come on here posting facts and the truth.
You are obviously part of the worldwide conspiracy that is Covid-19 and no number of unnecessary deaths will convince me otherwise.
You can keep your masks and you can shove distancing where the sun don't shine, what, my cough, it's a figment of your imagination and this orange tastes like an apple but I'm fine, gissa cwtch!
Why is it so hot in here? | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 12:11 - Dec 18 with 1202 views | onehunglow |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 10:21 - Dec 18 by Catullus |
How very dare you come on here posting facts and the truth.
You are obviously part of the worldwide conspiracy that is Covid-19 and no number of unnecessary deaths will convince me otherwise.
You can keep your masks and you can shove distancing where the sun don't shine, what, my cough, it's a figment of your imagination and this orange tastes like an apple but I'm fine, gissa cwtch!
Why is it so hot in here? |
Great post by Neathie.
Yes the world HAS been conned but by mankind itself.
We still,after millions of deaths,have jerks suggesting lockdowns are unnecessary ,as are masks and social distancing too and we can -ineed should-all go down the pub ,get hammered,as we do then crawl all over each other before smashing each other over the head with a bottle;your average British night out.
Too true-we've kidded ourselves and people are dying still in droves because of our social selfishness. Jobs in hospitality going is sad but o were jobs in Motor Industry,shipbuilding,teel,coal,cotton ,wool weaving,carpet making. We kikked ourelves then as we thought inferior ,more expensive to produce ,outdated products would still sell mainly to our old Empire countries.
We've learned nowt | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:29 - Dec 18 with 1161 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:05 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
Speaking to one of the local health board medical directors yesterday, and he was telling me that one day this week, there were only 10, that is TEN, critical care beds available in the whole of Wales.
Don't worry though, it's a fake virus / not as bad as flu /worldwide government conspiracy theory to control you.
What would a medical director know about it eh.
State of some of you people aye. |
Quite possibly the same as last winter and most winters before. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:39 - Dec 18 with 1148 views | majorraglan |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 08:05 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
Speaking to one of the local health board medical directors yesterday, and he was telling me that one day this week, there were only 10, that is TEN, critical care beds available in the whole of Wales.
Don't worry though, it's a fake virus / not as bad as flu /worldwide government conspiracy theory to control you.
What would a medical director know about it eh.
State of some of you people aye. |
29 beds available today, up from 22 yesterday. Cwm Taf has zero beds, Cardiff and the Vale have 12, North Wales has 10 leaving 7 for the rest of Wales. 
16 of the 22 areas report increasing rates of positive test results, the closure of licensed premises not seemed to have made any impact. I suspect schools have driven up the infection rates. It’s jot looking good at the moment. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:41 - Dec 18 with 1145 views | Catullus |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:29 - Dec 18 by Andy1300 |
Quite possibly the same as last winter and most winters before. |
Surely you can see that Covid is on top of the normal winter pressures? | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:57 - Dec 18 with 1130 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:29 - Dec 18 by Andy1300 |
Quite possibly the same as last winter and most winters before. |
I think there have been similar in the last 20 years, only seems like yesterday looking at loads of ambulances outside Morriston Hospital, and no room for the patients. |  |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:33 - Dec 18 with 1119 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 16:57 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
I think there have been similar in the last 20 years, only seems like yesterday looking at loads of ambulances outside Morriston Hospital, and no room for the patients. |
There's a difference between "normal" hospital beds, and critical care beds.
They normally run at about 90% capacity in normal winter.
Then in years like 2010 when we had Swine Flu, they were treating patients outside of the critical care wards.
Staff shortages also push capacity over 90%.
Now, with this worldwide pandemic, meaning staff shortages due to them isolating or having the virus and lot's of people requiring critical care, you don't have to be a genius to work out we are in shit street.
Don't forget, Wales has fewer of these types of beds than other countries in the UK, and the UK has fewer of these beds than many of our European counterparts.
It doesn't really matter to the likes of you and that Andy chap, you won't take it on board, you would rather listen to obscure or discredited Dr's on Twitter and the like.
Do you really think the BMJ and countless of consultants are lying? Along with their counterparts across the globe? [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 17:35]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:04 - Dec 18 with 1098 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:33 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
There's a difference between "normal" hospital beds, and critical care beds.
They normally run at about 90% capacity in normal winter.
Then in years like 2010 when we had Swine Flu, they were treating patients outside of the critical care wards.
Staff shortages also push capacity over 90%.
Now, with this worldwide pandemic, meaning staff shortages due to them isolating or having the virus and lot's of people requiring critical care, you don't have to be a genius to work out we are in shit street.
Don't forget, Wales has fewer of these types of beds than other countries in the UK, and the UK has fewer of these beds than many of our European counterparts.
It doesn't really matter to the likes of you and that Andy chap, you won't take it on board, you would rather listen to obscure or discredited Dr's on Twitter and the like.
Do you really think the BMJ and countless of consultants are lying? Along with their counterparts across the globe? [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 17:35]
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It would appear from your statements that Wales NHS has a problem of insuffiicient high dependency beds.
Not so generally.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne | | | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:06 - Dec 18 with 1096 views | controversial_jack |
What gets me is, why do some think it's a huge exercise in control from govts, Are 220 countries around the world, many with different political messy and govts all in on this together? | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:07 - Dec 18 with 1096 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 15:44 - Dec 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Remind us all again when the peak was and when the first actual lockdown started.
What do you think the area under the peak in the winter of 1999 looked like?
Your decision making on COVID has been pretty crap from day one, backing the wrong experts and then your famous "every country will end up with the same mortality rate" comment.
How well is that working out for you, oh it isn't is it? |
Peak April, lockdown started 16 March, full lockdown 23 March.
What do you mean what do I think it looked like? You can see it on the graph. The area below the 1999 line is far lower than 2020.
Note that the area under the line are actual deaths of actual people.
ONS are now saying we’ve 20% more deaths than average, and that’s with ongoing restrictions.
Nope - it really hasn’t. Firstly I’ve had no ‘decision making’ on Covid. I’ve merely commented.
And my main points on Covid have been as follows:
- the UK government were initially following advice from experts (they were - the minutes of Sage have shown that) - it’s no longer the case of course as the economy can’t bear a full lockdown for 10 months so it’s been a juggling act throughout. The Christmas advice is shocking btw. Across all nations of the UK.
- Wales were doing no better than England. Despite protestations of Drakeford doing a marvellous job and the increasingly woeful performance of the most inept UK government in history. I stand by that. The facts speak for themselves.
- Wales’ ludicrous 5 mile rule for the summer would not prevent a second wave and was harming Welsh business for the sake of it. Yep, I stand by that too.
- Wales’ case rate and death rate was no better than England’s. Yep. That too.
- mortality of the disease does not change from one country to the next. Also true. I always said that demographics would play a huge part, but that the fundamentals were no different.
You are, and I mean this quite sincerely, one of the deluded people I’ve ever come across.
You’re bloody funny though. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:26 - Dec 18 with 1087 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:06 - Dec 18 by controversial_jack |
What gets me is, why do some think it's a huge exercise in control from govts, Are 220 countries around the world, many with different political messy and govts all in on this together? |
I said this months ago.
They must think all the world leaders, who would normally kill each other over a spelling mistake, are now in one big whatsapp group together to fool us peasants. Laughable mun. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:43 - Dec 18 with 1080 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:26 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
I said this months ago.
They must think all the world leaders, who would normally kill each other over a spelling mistake, are now in one big whatsapp group together to fool us peasants. Laughable mun. |
It seems to me, that out on the actual street listening to real people, they all share similar views to me regarding lockdown and covid, crumbs it only feels like yesterday that the lockdowns would only be a for a little while and it was to protect the nhs, hmm
And from what I have read today, they are extending furlough till the end of April..
This is crooked and false, i can feel it in my bones. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 18 with 1077 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:26 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
I said this months ago.
They must think all the world leaders, who would normally kill each other over a spelling mistake, are now in one big whatsapp group together to fool us peasants. Laughable mun. |
That's the thing. As conspiracy theories go Covid is an absolute non starter. What would anyone achieve by it?
I can see where the 9/11, moon landing and climate change people come from. Heck even the flat earthers.
Anyone who thinks this is a conspiracy is seriously deluded. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:50 - Dec 18 with 1070 views | shingle |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 17 by Scotia |
I'd have thought the King of Sweden knows a bit more about it than either of us.
We're continuing normal health care now.
I'm not a fan of lockdown. I want the minimum amount of restrictions to control the virus. We are in such a mess that has to be lockdown unfortunately. |
See what i mean,an old boy is questioned by the media no doubt asked certain questions and no doubt the footage edited, how old are you now stop believing everything you see on the media, look at the official independent outlets like the World meter sites and read the statistics,and we are not continuing normal health care stuff like Endoscopy's are not routinely being carried out and even if normal heath care was back to normal it will be to late now for the thousands that will die due to not getting checked out in time. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:56 - Dec 18 with 1064 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:07 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
Peak April, lockdown started 16 March, full lockdown 23 March.
What do you mean what do I think it looked like? You can see it on the graph. The area below the 1999 line is far lower than 2020.
Note that the area under the line are actual deaths of actual people.
ONS are now saying we’ve 20% more deaths than average, and that’s with ongoing restrictions.
Nope - it really hasn’t. Firstly I’ve had no ‘decision making’ on Covid. I’ve merely commented.
And my main points on Covid have been as follows:
- the UK government were initially following advice from experts (they were - the minutes of Sage have shown that) - it’s no longer the case of course as the economy can’t bear a full lockdown for 10 months so it’s been a juggling act throughout. The Christmas advice is shocking btw. Across all nations of the UK.
- Wales were doing no better than England. Despite protestations of Drakeford doing a marvellous job and the increasingly woeful performance of the most inept UK government in history. I stand by that. The facts speak for themselves.
- Wales’ ludicrous 5 mile rule for the summer would not prevent a second wave and was harming Welsh business for the sake of it. Yep, I stand by that too.
- Wales’ case rate and death rate was no better than England’s. Yep. That too.
- mortality of the disease does not change from one country to the next. Also true. I always said that demographics would play a huge part, but that the fundamentals were no different.
You are, and I mean this quite sincerely, one of the deluded people I’ve ever come across.
You’re bloody funny though. |
"The area below the 1999 line is far lower than 2020. "
Of course it is in April, but from the 1999 peak in January it remain above 13,000 up until March and above 11,000 until April.
"the UK government were initially following advice from experts (they were - the minutes of Sage have shown that)"
You seem to be having memory issues, because that was not the argument.
The Government started their response with going for Herd Immunity.
I said that they were wrong and it would lead to too many deaths due to overwhelming the NHS, you said you believed the experts over me.
They and you were wrong, because shortly after that they dropped Herd Immunity and went for a too late Lock down, but never quarantined any of the incomming passengers.
In fact if you go and look at my comments during that period I predicted what has happened, even with so called lockdowns. Because the Government and NHS do not understand the old principle of Quarantine and proper Isolation hospitals. So we still ended up with lack of PPE, overloaded ICUs etc, ill and dying NHS front line workers and the loss of the hospitals to normal patients, which still has not been properly addressed.
"mortality of the disease does not change from one country to the next"
So as I suspected you still will not admit that you and the "expert" you quoted were wrong, even though the evidence is overwhelming.
You said that that all the countries would balance out and end up with the same morality rate. (do you really need me to dig out and quote what you said?)
If you remember I was quoting both Deaths/Million and Fatality rates ie Deaths/Cases, both of which showed that the UK were orders of magnitude higher than the best countries.
So now you weasel out by adding
"I always said that demographics would play a huge part, but that the fundamentals were no different"
which if my memory serves is an outright lie. You said no such thing at the time, unless you can find that quote?
The evidence is completely overwhelming that you were wrong, there is still no comparison in Mortality rates between the Countries that handled COVID the best and those like the UK that didn't.
Just go to worldometers and order the data by Deaths/Million Population and explain why 210 countries have better mortality rates than the UK (11th worst in the world) due to "demographics" alone. [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 19:29]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:58 - Dec 18 with 1064 views | Neath_Jack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:44 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
That's the thing. As conspiracy theories go Covid is an absolute non starter. What would anyone achieve by it?
I can see where the 9/11, moon landing and climate change people come from. Heck even the flat earthers.
Anyone who thinks this is a conspiracy is seriously deluded. |
No matter what evidence they are shown, they will come back with some discredited Dr, or even better, Dai the milkman from Tongwynlais, who put's up a quote, or a load of numbers, it get's liked and shared by a few people and it becomes fact (and shared on here).
Incredible stuff, it truly is. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:06 - Dec 18 with 1059 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:58 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
No matter what evidence they are shown, they will come back with some discredited Dr, or even better, Dai the milkman from Tongwynlais, who put's up a quote, or a load of numbers, it get's liked and shared by a few people and it becomes fact (and shared on here).
Incredible stuff, it truly is. |
If you want to go down that route, how about SAGE half a million deaths they predicted wasn't it? And they are still listening to them! Give me Dai the milk any day of the week. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:14 - Dec 18 with 1049 views | shingle |
The Guardian report today, Sweden imploding, cases gone through the roof, record number of deaths, actual official figures only 20 deaths yet in UK 500 deaths, you really do have to sit back and try to fathom what is the problem with the UK media and news outlets about what exactly is going on in Sweden, it is as if they do not want people to question why the death rates of a country that never locked down and even today implement far fewer restrictions are so low compared to the UK countries that are in a constant state of lock downs and severe restrictions. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:25 - Dec 18 with 1034 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:14 - Dec 18 by shingle |
The Guardian report today, Sweden imploding, cases gone through the roof, record number of deaths, actual official figures only 20 deaths yet in UK 500 deaths, you really do have to sit back and try to fathom what is the problem with the UK media and news outlets about what exactly is going on in Sweden, it is as if they do not want people to question why the death rates of a country that never locked down and even today implement far fewer restrictions are so low compared to the UK countries that are in a constant state of lock downs and severe restrictions. |
Nothing changes, they are all in on it..
The only purpose of the media, news these days is to frighten and scare people, even in the summer when there was nothing really to report the news was dedicated to scaring, and also telling them there is a glimmer of hope, the vaccine is nearly ready! | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:27 - Dec 18 with 1031 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:07 - Dec 18 by londonlisa2001 |
Peak April, lockdown started 16 March, full lockdown 23 March.
What do you mean what do I think it looked like? You can see it on the graph. The area below the 1999 line is far lower than 2020.
Note that the area under the line are actual deaths of actual people.
ONS are now saying we’ve 20% more deaths than average, and that’s with ongoing restrictions.
Nope - it really hasn’t. Firstly I’ve had no ‘decision making’ on Covid. I’ve merely commented.
And my main points on Covid have been as follows:
- the UK government were initially following advice from experts (they were - the minutes of Sage have shown that) - it’s no longer the case of course as the economy can’t bear a full lockdown for 10 months so it’s been a juggling act throughout. The Christmas advice is shocking btw. Across all nations of the UK.
- Wales were doing no better than England. Despite protestations of Drakeford doing a marvellous job and the increasingly woeful performance of the most inept UK government in history. I stand by that. The facts speak for themselves.
- Wales’ ludicrous 5 mile rule for the summer would not prevent a second wave and was harming Welsh business for the sake of it. Yep, I stand by that too.
- Wales’ case rate and death rate was no better than England’s. Yep. That too.
- mortality of the disease does not change from one country to the next. Also true. I always said that demographics would play a huge part, but that the fundamentals were no different.
You are, and I mean this quite sincerely, one of the deluded people I’ve ever come across.
You’re bloody funny though. |
"ONS are now saying we’ve 20% more deaths than average, and that’s with ongoing restrictions. "
Link please. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:32 - Dec 18 with 1022 views | Highjack |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 18:58 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
No matter what evidence they are shown, they will come back with some discredited Dr, or even better, Dai the milkman from Tongwynlais, who put's up a quote, or a load of numbers, it get's liked and shared by a few people and it becomes fact (and shared on here).
Incredible stuff, it truly is. |
Yep. Or Ciaran the Euro Courier.
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:02 - Dec 18 with 1006 views | Andy1300 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 17:33 - Dec 18 by Neath_Jack |
There's a difference between "normal" hospital beds, and critical care beds.
They normally run at about 90% capacity in normal winter.
Then in years like 2010 when we had Swine Flu, they were treating patients outside of the critical care wards.
Staff shortages also push capacity over 90%.
Now, with this worldwide pandemic, meaning staff shortages due to them isolating or having the virus and lot's of people requiring critical care, you don't have to be a genius to work out we are in shit street.
Don't forget, Wales has fewer of these types of beds than other countries in the UK, and the UK has fewer of these beds than many of our European counterparts.
It doesn't really matter to the likes of you and that Andy chap, you won't take it on board, you would rather listen to obscure or discredited Dr's on Twitter and the like.
Do you really think the BMJ and countless of consultants are lying? Along with their counterparts across the globe? [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 17:35]
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But that’s the issue here, it’s not universal in the medical field.
The medical experts tha5 dare speak out are silenced on social media and not given a platform on the MSM. | |
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:15 - Dec 18 with 999 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:06 - Dec 18 by Jack123 |
If you want to go down that route, how about SAGE half a million deaths they predicted wasn't it? And they are still listening to them! Give me Dai the milk any day of the week. |
That was never a prediction. The conspiracy nutters turned it in to a prediction.
I can remember Vallance in a news conference using the words "it is a big if" when talking about death totals. | | | |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:47 - Dec 18 with 975 views | Jack123 |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:15 - Dec 18 by Scotia |
That was never a prediction. The conspiracy nutters turned it in to a prediction.
I can remember Vallance in a news conference using the words "it is a big if" when talking about death totals. |
https://www.thecollegefix.com/
https://www.express.co.uk/news
It was an Imperial College prediction, I remember it at the time. Quite hard to find it all on google now.. I wonder why. [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 20:54]
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| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 20:49 - Dec 18 with 973 views | Scotia |
| Has the world been conned over COVID-19? on 19:14 - Dec 18 by shingle |
The Guardian report today, Sweden imploding, cases gone through the roof, record number of deaths, actual official figures only 20 deaths yet in UK 500 deaths, you really do have to sit back and try to fathom what is the problem with the UK media and news outlets about what exactly is going on in Sweden, it is as if they do not want people to question why the death rates of a country that never locked down and even today implement far fewer restrictions are so low compared to the UK countries that are in a constant state of lock downs and severe restrictions. |
I've just had a look at the Sweden deaths daily total, there is obviously a massive amount of backdating to be done.
Otherwise their deaths since November are falling substantially while cases are rising substantially. It doesn't look comparable to me. Very few countries can be compared to each other, for example we count all deaths within 28 days of a positive test and we have the highest testing ratio per capita in Europe.
Sweden aren't in a good place. In fact seem to be in a worse place than us. | | | |
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