| Georgia run off predictions 07:31 - Jan 4 with 7777 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Anyone?
I’m going with a double Democrat win sadly taking it to 50 seats each. I think Warnock beats Loeffler. Closer race in the regular one but Ossoff to pip Perdue.
Will give the tying decision to the VP which isn’t good news for the Republicans, or America in general if you ask me.
But there are a couple of floating congresspeople that cross party lines so who knows, hopefully they block any of the madder changes that come up and ditch party affiliation.
1 seat win out of the 2 should be enough for the Republicans though, which is most likely to come from Perdue if any. Interesting few days ahead. |  |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:41 - Jan 6 with 1269 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:37 - Jan 6 by Gwyn737 |
That’s antifa driven isn’t it? Would be different if Biden/Harris website collected for them.
You’re constantly deflecting now - it’s not like you.
You keep going on about things I haven’t said. We could be here for a long time discussing things I haven’t said. It’s the weakness of an Internet forum. You can either accept that I don’t condone previous behaviour or you can continue to use it a tool to deflect from the unprecedented goings on as we speak.
Anyway, done for tonight. We’ll see how it pans out overnight. |
It's not deflecting, it is expecting a level of honesty in debate. Something which you aren't showing. Republican Supporters are Republican Supporter driven then? Right?
I just cannot accept that you have not said a peep about 12 months of Democrat terror and are now suddenly finding your voice to feign outrage where not a single person has been hurt (apart from protesters).
Terrible situation that nobody wants to see, but let's not pretend it is worse than people being killed in the street and homes and businesses destroyed. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:43 - Jan 6 with 1265 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:36 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
How am I losing credibility? By pointing out the sheer astounding hypocrisy?
I condemn any law breaking. Hence I have been condemning it for the last 12 months.
Have you?
A simple yes or no will do. [Post edited 6 Jan 2021 22:36]
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Yes,
You can't even say you condemn it can you ? Shame as you are an excellent poster. |  | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:45 - Jan 6 with 1260 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:43 - Jan 6 by Treforys_Jack |
Yes,
You can't even say you condemn it can you ? Shame as you are an excellent poster. |
What? I just did, read what I said.
Can you show me a post of yours doing similar for the Democrats too? | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:48 - Jan 6 with 1254 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:45 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
What? I just did, read what I said.
Can you show me a post of yours doing similar for the Democrats too? |
You should be a politician, the art of swerving questions and waffle  . #prayforAmerica | | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:50 - Jan 6 with 1250 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:48 - Jan 6 by Treforys_Jack |
You should be a politician, the art of swerving questions and waffle . #prayforAmerica |
Nothing was swerved, I answered your question fully.
I then asked you one, which ironically you swerved. Probably because like many others you are fully aware you have stood by and said nothing over the last 12 months. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:51 - Jan 6 with 1247 views | majorraglan |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:12 - Jan 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
Is that the reason that the police attacked completely peaceful Trump Supporters with Teargas, pepperspray and battons?
Is that the reason they shot dead a young black women
Pence's constitutional duty was to question Illegal elections, not accept them. [Post edited 6 Jan 2021 22:14]
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There’s been a lot of violence today. I haven't seen all the footage and I would not defend the police, the footage I saw showed a line of cops holding bikes and pepper spraying people who were standing a yard or so away from them and facing them. There was no sound on the video, so its difficult to really appreciate what was happening, but if you were faced with a large crowd directly in front of you, potentially in your personal space how would you feel. Some were of course peaceful, some maybe not, what would you do to ensure your safety?
Not seen teargas, or battons so can’t comment, but I’d hope any police use of force is scrutinised carefully and if there’s been inappropriate force it’s addressed properly. Not seen the pictures of the girl who’s been shot, but I hope she pulls through.
Pence duty is set out as per the Constitution, there is no evidence of illegal elections on the scale that would change the outcome of the election, even McConnell has acknowledged that today.
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| Georgia run off predictions on 23:01 - Jan 6 with 1233 views | Gwyn737 |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:41 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
It's not deflecting, it is expecting a level of honesty in debate. Something which you aren't showing. Republican Supporters are Republican Supporter driven then? Right?
I just cannot accept that you have not said a peep about 12 months of Democrat terror and are now suddenly finding your voice to feign outrage where not a single person has been hurt (apart from protesters).
Terrible situation that nobody wants to see, but let's not pretend it is worse than people being killed in the street and homes and businesses destroyed. |
Oh go on then, one last one before bed.
You’re making assumptions on what I haven’t said before because I’m now commenting on a massive political story I’m watching live.
You’ll find there’s nothing from me in those 130 odd pages that justifies, supports, subverts or gives any kind of moral or political reckoning for those described action. In additional I’ve been clear on my feelings.
You’re using what I’ve not written to challenge my comments on today. It’s like a political version of Minority Report.
Truro’s behaviour has likely (at least in part) contributed to the loss of the House. The damage he has caused to the Republican Party will take years to undo. He’s a political car crash. | | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 23:07 - Jan 6 with 1219 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 23:01 - Jan 6 by Gwyn737 |
Oh go on then, one last one before bed.
You’re making assumptions on what I haven’t said before because I’m now commenting on a massive political story I’m watching live.
You’ll find there’s nothing from me in those 130 odd pages that justifies, supports, subverts or gives any kind of moral or political reckoning for those described action. In additional I’ve been clear on my feelings.
You’re using what I’ve not written to challenge my comments on today. It’s like a political version of Minority Report.
Truro’s behaviour has likely (at least in part) contributed to the loss of the House. The damage he has caused to the Republican Party will take years to undo. He’s a political car crash. |
We have spoken about many topics, all massive political news that the world was watching live. Riots, attacks, areas of a City being taken over my armed groups, homes and businesses burned to the ground, Government buildings overtaken and burned... etc etc etc
you were active on the topics and not once did you state their appalling nature. I am sure you can see my point. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 23:10 - Jan 6 with 1215 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:50 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing was swerved, I answered your question fully.
I then asked you one, which ironically you swerved. Probably because like many others you are fully aware you have stood by and said nothing over the last 12 months. |
You said a simple yes or no, I sad yes, what part of that is throwing you? I think if it was BLM storming the Capitol building, you would have a different opinion. That's it for me as I don't have the time, inclination or vocabulary to go round and around with you.
Feel free to have the last word, but don't become a parody of yourself.
Stay safe | | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 23:16 - Jan 6 with 1198 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 23:10 - Jan 6 by Treforys_Jack |
You said a simple yes or no, I sad yes, what part of that is throwing you? I think if it was BLM storming the Capitol building, you would have a different opinion. That's it for me as I don't have the time, inclination or vocabulary to go round and around with you.
Feel free to have the last word, but don't become a parody of yourself.
Stay safe |
A different opinion to what?
Condemning criminal acts is something that has been a mainstay in my views, always will be regardless of who does it.
Can you show me where you have condemned the acts before? I will then of course apologise. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 07:45 - Jan 7 with 1099 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Georgia run off predictions on 23:16 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
A different opinion to what?
Condemning criminal acts is something that has been a mainstay in my views, always will be regardless of who does it.
Can you show me where you have condemned the acts before? I will then of course apologise. |
Deflection.
Jail Trump.
The end. |  |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 09:21 - Jan 7 with 1089 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 07:45 - Jan 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Deflection.
Jail Trump.
The end. |
Is this the new buzzword of the Libs or something?
They provide an answer you cannot deal with in your political point scoring crusade... so it then becomes “deflection”?
Sorry lads, again unless you chaps that frequent the political discussion have a track record of calling out this sort of behaviour, then you are in absolutely no position to speak and your empty condemnation falls on deaf ears.
There are only a few people on this forum that have consistently called out criminality, I am one of those. In fact, calling out this criminality has often seemed to wind a few up on here. Not a single one of the libs have once condemned the actions of ANTIFA or BLM.
Sorry, your outrage card has expired. Try another. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 09:48 - Jan 7 with 1078 views | trampie |
| Georgia run off predictions on 07:45 - Jan 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Deflection.
Jail Trump.
The end. |
Jail would be a minimum in some countries, I think the crime of sedition in the USA carries a 20 year jail term. |  |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 10:40 - Jan 7 with 1058 views | Catullus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 21:48 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
12 months of Democrat fear and nobody bothered, 12 minutes of Republicans doing similar (not nearly anywhere close to as bad) and everyone goes into meltdown.
The dangers of a partisan media. Something I warned about months ago. |
I wouldn't say nobody. didn't I agree that what BLM was doing was wrong, that ANTIFA were wrong?
WHat these Republicans did yesterday was wrong also.
FAO AFD, it is not Pence's job to do anything but what is right and legal. If Pence believes the elections were sound, were not rigged or illegal in any way then it's his job to certify the vote which is what he's done.
If the Vice President believes the election was fair and above board then why can't you.
It is not Pence's job to do what you think he should and he'll know a whole lot more about it than you. I know Trump is angry with Pence but in my opinion Trump has lost it completely. He is responsible for what happened yesterdau with his inflammtory language, Over 60 legal challenges have been thrown out by their courts, when will you accept the result? | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 15:34 - Jan 7 with 1022 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Georgia run off predictions on 10:40 - Jan 7 by Catullus |
I wouldn't say nobody. didn't I agree that what BLM was doing was wrong, that ANTIFA were wrong?
WHat these Republicans did yesterday was wrong also.
FAO AFD, it is not Pence's job to do anything but what is right and legal. If Pence believes the elections were sound, were not rigged or illegal in any way then it's his job to certify the vote which is what he's done.
If the Vice President believes the election was fair and above board then why can't you.
It is not Pence's job to do what you think he should and he'll know a whole lot more about it than you. I know Trump is angry with Pence but in my opinion Trump has lost it completely. He is responsible for what happened yesterdau with his inflammtory language, Over 60 legal challenges have been thrown out by their courts, when will you accept the result? |
Pence accepted the results even though the various state's Senates didn't, who knows more about what happened in their own states them or traitor Pence?
As to when will I accept it, after what I have seen, never, along with 10s of millions of Americans.
Not that it makes the slightest difference to anything.
We are all allowed our own opinions. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 15:35]
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| Georgia run off predictions on 17:50 - Jan 7 with 997 views | Catullus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 15:34 - Jan 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
Pence accepted the results even though the various state's Senates didn't, who knows more about what happened in their own states them or traitor Pence?
As to when will I accept it, after what I have seen, never, along with 10s of millions of Americans.
Not that it makes the slightest difference to anything.
We are all allowed our own opinions. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 15:35]
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You're wrong again, the Republican Senators didn't accept it but tht wsn't every State across the USA. Again over 60 challenges were thrown out by many different courts because they had no substance.
Take Pennsylvania,
The campaign wants the US Supreme Court to take up a number of issues that courts in Pennsylvania have already rejected.
One of these issues is the claim that voters in Democrat-leaning areas were given more of an opportunity to correct mistakes on their postal ballots than elsewhere.
When they initially lost the case, his lawyers took it to a federal appeals court. It was rejected there too, with the judge saying: "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."
Pence accepted the results because there was no evidence any of the allegations were true. Now you call Pence a traitor, would you rather the USA descended into chaos? Would you see the democracy crumble and the USA fall apart?
You haven't seen anything apart from accusations on the internet, accusations that every court they have been put to has rejected.
You said the protestors on Capitol Hill were peaceful, that wasn't true either, they attacked Jounalists and camera crews, destroyed equipment and then some broke into Congress. Wanton vandalism and breaking and entering are not peaceful.
https://eu.usatoday.com/in-dep | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 19:23 - Jan 7 with 972 views | majorraglan |
| Georgia run off predictions on 15:34 - Jan 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
Pence accepted the results even though the various state's Senates didn't, who knows more about what happened in their own states them or traitor Pence?
As to when will I accept it, after what I have seen, never, along with 10s of millions of Americans.
Not that it makes the slightest difference to anything.
We are all allowed our own opinions. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 15:35]
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You talk about States knowing more about what happened than Pence, the election officials and the legislatures in the States have defended their election results in public and in Court, 60 odd cases brought by Trump et al have been booted out of various Courts including the Supreme Court, a significant number of the Judges hearing the cases have been Republicans including some appointed by Trump.
Ardent, loyal Republicans such as MCConnell have called out Trumps allegations of large scale fraud as BS. American politicians like Pence must swear allegiance to the Constitution, doing what you are supposed to, adhering to the constitution doesn’t make Pence a traitor, doing what Trump would have had him do would make him a traitor. For a small number of the Republican politically ambitious, yesterday was’nt about Trump, it was about projecting their own image and trying to secure the 2024 nomination.
You don’t have to accept the result and you can live in denial, like the beauts the other side of the pond, what happened yesterday was an affront to democracy. I suspect that over the course of the next 4 years there will be quite a few tales of wrongdoing coming out, Trump and his entourage may become synonymous with shadiness, wrongdoing and corruption.
Amongst the main beneficiaries will be the Chinese and the Russians who will no doubt seek to extend their global influence at America’s expense. [Post edited 7 Jan 2021 20:58]
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| Georgia run off predictions on 19:26 - Jan 7 with 966 views | trampie |
The Russians always wanted Trump as President and worked against Hillary to get Trump elected, Trump has been the Russians puppet, Putin has played Trump like a fiddle. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 19:39 - Jan 7 with 964 views | Catullus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 19:26 - Jan 7 by trampie |
The Russians always wanted Trump as President and worked against Hillary to get Trump elected, Trump has been the Russians puppet, Putin has played Trump like a fiddle. |
That is purely your opinion. I'm not sure the Russians would have wanted a loose cannon like Trump. that's my opinion. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 20:10 - Jan 7 with 945 views | trampie |
| Georgia run off predictions on 19:39 - Jan 7 by Catullus |
That is purely your opinion. I'm not sure the Russians would have wanted a loose cannon like Trump. that's my opinion. |
Read that article butt, Russians have done a number on the Yanks, big time, got racial tension heightened, got Yanks at each others throats, got that baffoon Trump in as President. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:12 - Jan 7 with 906 views | BillyChong |
| Georgia run off predictions on 07:46 - Jan 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Which GOP policy do you disagree with specifically?
One party changing the system to remain in power is the very type of thing the Dems and the Libs have been crying about for months (that ironically the Republicans never even entertained), that’s a fascist ideal. Or lunacy to use your words.
Unfortunately some people’s hate of Trump has clouded all sense of normalcy , sense or rationale. While many have pretended the political climate is scary now, just wait until 65% tax rates come in. I can’t imagine the people are going to take it very well, many will guaranteed have no idea what they have voted for. |
65% tax rates? For whom? | | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:13 - Jan 7 with 905 views | Catullus |
Well Trump has really blown it now. They are calling on Pence to invoke the 25th amendment.
It turns out they consider Trump to be the traitor and want Pence to remove him.
I've watched more footage from Capitol hill, they ransacked the speakers office, they broke in through windows, they atacked police.
Trump should do the USA a favour and quit, now. | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 22:16 - Jan 7 with 903 views | Gwyn737 |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:13 - Jan 7 by Catullus |
Well Trump has really blown it now. They are calling on Pence to invoke the 25th amendment.
It turns out they consider Trump to be the traitor and want Pence to remove him.
I've watched more footage from Capitol hill, they ransacked the speakers office, they broke in through windows, they atacked police.
Trump should do the USA a favour and quit, now. |
Difficult for Pence.
He’s been treated so shockingly over the past few days, invoking the 25th could make him look petty.
Mind you, getting the National Guard in yesterday when Trump stood by could have saved his stock a little. | | | |
| Georgia run off predictions on 22:19 - Jan 7 with 899 views | Catullus |
| Georgia run off predictions on 20:10 - Jan 7 by trampie |
Read that article butt, Russians have done a number on the Yanks, big time, got racial tension heightened, got Yanks at each others throats, got that baffoon Trump in as President. |
My problem with that is that you just cannot trust what is outed on the internet. If the Russian government were involved they wouldn't want to be so easily caught. That could easily be other governments pretending to be Russians. In politics things are often not what they seem.
Who benefits from people believing it was the Russians?
Ironically, after the last couple of days Trump seems to have united the Senate albeit against him! Even his close allies are speaking out against him and his supporters on here?
The big question now is, with this storming of Congress apparently being planned, with messages about it all over the internet, how did it happen? What were the security forces doing? Did they let it happen to finally see off Trump? | |
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| Georgia run off predictions on 14:12 - Jan 8 with 826 views | trampie |
The Yanks found out it was the Russians but Trump was said to have told his secret service to back off and stand down, something about a Moscow hotel room, ladies of the night and golden showers and pics becoming public. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 14:14]
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