| Vaccine passports 22:24 - Sep 3 with 13073 views | Jack123 |
Serious question, what the hell is the point in these? Look's like people who have had the vax, can still spread it, so I just why?
For me, it's looking more ridiculous each day, when they first mentioned it was at the time when they said the vaccine would stop the spread, but looking at the case numbers the last few weeks, this is clearly not the case, be quite silly not to be allowed to do something when there isn't any difference from someone who has had the jab or not. [Post edited 3 Sep 2021 22:24]
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| Vaccine passports on 08:35 - Sep 6 with 1017 views | felixstowe_jack |
Just get vaccinated you know it makes sense. |  |
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| Vaccine passports on 09:09 - Sep 6 with 974 views | onehunglow |
| Vaccine passports on 00:11 - Sep 5 by Scotia |
Does it make any difference?
You're so far in to this nonsense you confuse Israel and Japan and authorisation of medicine use with a translation on a racist criminals website.
Do you have any proof they aren't being bankrolled? |
He won’t answer me so ask him …what should we have done about Covid. No anti vaxer,no Covid denying has ever said what we should do.
They know best
Innit | |
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| Vaccine passports on 09:30 - Sep 6 with 957 views | Catullus |
| Vaccine passports on 09:09 - Sep 6 by onehunglow |
He won’t answer me so ask him …what should we have done about Covid. No anti vaxer,no Covid denying has ever said what we should do.
They know best
Innit |
Except they don't. 5 out of 6 in critical care (in Cardiff and Vale) are the unvaccinated.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
The unvaccinated are clogging up critical care which then knocks on to the rest of the system.
When you see ambulances queuing outside A&E, when your operation is delayed, you know who to thank.
If that stat is true in other health boards then the unvaccinated are causing a major problem and people will suffer because of it, people will die because of it. | |
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| Vaccine passports on 09:48 - Sep 6 with 947 views | onehunglow |
| Vaccine passports on 09:30 - Sep 6 by Catullus |
Except they don't. 5 out of 6 in critical care (in Cardiff and Vale) are the unvaccinated.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
The unvaccinated are clogging up critical care which then knocks on to the rest of the system.
When you see ambulances queuing outside A&E, when your operation is delayed, you know who to thank.
If that stat is true in other health boards then the unvaccinated are causing a major problem and people will suffer because of it, people will die because of it. |
They ridicule vaccine.My point was and is,what is the alternative.
It s rhetorical as they know there is none.
Everyone had Polio Jacks. Everyone has smallpox when that was killing people | |
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| Vaccine passports on 09:50 - Sep 6 with 945 views | jackrmee |
| Vaccine passports on 09:30 - Sep 6 by Catullus |
Except they don't. 5 out of 6 in critical care (in Cardiff and Vale) are the unvaccinated.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
The unvaccinated are clogging up critical care which then knocks on to the rest of the system.
When you see ambulances queuing outside A&E, when your operation is delayed, you know who to thank.
If that stat is true in other health boards then the unvaccinated are causing a major problem and people will suffer because of it, people will die because of it. |
Out of those 6 people in critical care, how many are the unvaccinated young people?
I don’t think anyone advocates against an elderly or comorbid person getting the jabs.
Are those unvaccinated people who are clogging up the beds, the young people who are getting vilified for refusing their jabs, or old people who may or may not have been able to get vaccinated for some reason?
Context is needed. |  |
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| Vaccine passports on 09:55 - Sep 6 with 942 views | Catullus |
| Vaccine passports on 09:48 - Sep 6 by onehunglow |
They ridicule vaccine.My point was and is,what is the alternative.
It s rhetorical as they know there is none.
Everyone had Polio Jacks. Everyone has smallpox when that was killing people |
Oh I understood your point. it's been made by many of us time and again and still these people think they know better.
Any stats we post are lies but what they post is 100% true and accurate. How can you deal with people like that?
The lies they've spread about the vaccines are causing more people to have serious illness and more die than needs be. They exaggerate the numbers for 'adverse effects' as if every one of those effects is life threatening when the vast, vast majority will be little more than a headache or flu symptoms.
If these people are happy to take the chance on ending up in a critical care bed then crack on but why should the rest of us be put at risk by these lies? | |
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| Vaccine passports on 10:04 - Sep 6 with 936 views | jackrmee |
| Vaccine passports on 09:55 - Sep 6 by Catullus |
Oh I understood your point. it's been made by many of us time and again and still these people think they know better.
Any stats we post are lies but what they post is 100% true and accurate. How can you deal with people like that?
The lies they've spread about the vaccines are causing more people to have serious illness and more die than needs be. They exaggerate the numbers for 'adverse effects' as if every one of those effects is life threatening when the vast, vast majority will be little more than a headache or flu symptoms.
If these people are happy to take the chance on ending up in a critical care bed then crack on but why should the rest of us be put at risk by these lies? |
But that’s not the case mate.
You say if those people are happy to risk going into critical care then that’s up to them…but it’s not because those who choose that are then vilified and told they are ruining the world and killing people.
*not by you maybe, but that is the sort of rhetoric people are facing. It’s not a case of “be vaccinated if you choose to”, it’s “you have the choice, but if you don’t have it you’re a cvnt “. | |
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| Vaccine passports on 10:18 - Sep 6 with 929 views | Catullus |
| Vaccine passports on 10:04 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
But that’s not the case mate.
You say if those people are happy to risk going into critical care then that’s up to them…but it’s not because those who choose that are then vilified and told they are ruining the world and killing people.
*not by you maybe, but that is the sort of rhetoric people are facing. It’s not a case of “be vaccinated if you choose to”, it’s “you have the choice, but if you don’t have it you’re a cvnt “. |
To answer both posts, most people who have pre existing conditions or are over 50 have been vaccinated, the unvaccinated are mostly younger people.
By 'those people' I'm talking more about AFD and Ronald Stump and their ilk, those who spread negative news and downright lies about covid and the vaccines.
It is very much your choice whether to have the jab or not but if you don't have it you have much more chance of being hospitalised. You are also more likely to spread it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/
Taken from that link,
If you have received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccine
If you have been vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, you are less likely to catch COVID-19, and to become severely ill if you do catch it. You are also less likely to spread COVID-19 to other people, but it is still possible for this to happen.
If you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have received a positive test result, you should still follow this guidance and self-isolate even if you have received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccine. This will reduce the risk of spreading infection and help to protect other people.
From 16 August, if you are a contact of someone who has COVID-19 and you are fully vaccinated, or aged under 18 years 6 months, you will not be required to self-isolate. There is further information in the Household contacts who are not required to self-isolate section. | |
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| Vaccine passports on 10:46 - Sep 6 with 906 views | onehunglow |
| Vaccine passports on 10:18 - Sep 6 by Catullus |
To answer both posts, most people who have pre existing conditions or are over 50 have been vaccinated, the unvaccinated are mostly younger people.
By 'those people' I'm talking more about AFD and Ronald Stump and their ilk, those who spread negative news and downright lies about covid and the vaccines.
It is very much your choice whether to have the jab or not but if you don't have it you have much more chance of being hospitalised. You are also more likely to spread it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/
Taken from that link,
If you have received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccine
If you have been vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, you are less likely to catch COVID-19, and to become severely ill if you do catch it. You are also less likely to spread COVID-19 to other people, but it is still possible for this to happen.
If you have symptoms of COVID-19 or have received a positive test result, you should still follow this guidance and self-isolate even if you have received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccine. This will reduce the risk of spreading infection and help to protect other people.
From 16 August, if you are a contact of someone who has COVID-19 and you are fully vaccinated, or aged under 18 years 6 months, you will not be required to self-isolate. There is further information in the Household contacts who are not required to self-isolate section. |
We are in ever decreasing circles.
It’s pitiful really.
Covid is real.
Yet ,having a jab is a big issue if you want to go into a club and get off your face on drink and dope.
People more willing to inject or snort dope that could contain any old crap that a vaccine that has been tested by people who know shyt | |
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| Vaccine passports on 12:19 - Sep 6 with 866 views | RonaldStump |
| Vaccine passports on 09:50 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
Out of those 6 people in critical care, how many are the unvaccinated young people?
I don’t think anyone advocates against an elderly or comorbid person getting the jabs.
Are those unvaccinated people who are clogging up the beds, the young people who are getting vilified for refusing their jabs, or old people who may or may not have been able to get vaccinated for some reason?
Context is needed. |
Don't forget you can have had your first jab and be classed as unvax
In Israel you are classed as unvax if you've had 2 jabs now.
What the berk doesn't tell you is the bigger picture, age, health status etc. It's easy to put the blame on those who don't feel the need to be told what and when they need to put some experimental jab into their body and who are not as subservient as the rest of the brainwashed clowns. The same people are mainly morbidly obese and expect the NHS to save them while they chow down on their greasy burger after 10 pints down the local.
So yes you are correct context is needed | |
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| Vaccine passports on 13:24 - Sep 6 with 849 views | jackrmee |
| Vaccine passports on 12:19 - Sep 6 by RonaldStump |
Don't forget you can have had your first jab and be classed as unvax
In Israel you are classed as unvax if you've had 2 jabs now.
What the berk doesn't tell you is the bigger picture, age, health status etc. It's easy to put the blame on those who don't feel the need to be told what and when they need to put some experimental jab into their body and who are not as subservient as the rest of the brainwashed clowns. The same people are mainly morbidly obese and expect the NHS to save them while they chow down on their greasy burger after 10 pints down the local.
So yes you are correct context is needed |
So these people clogging up the beds are likely older people who haven't had their 2nd jab yet, but it's made out to be the younger people who haven't had their jabs by choice.
It's crazy how the media can put a spin on things in order to coerce people into having it. | |
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| Vaccine passports on 14:07 - Sep 6 with 826 views | Scotia |
| Vaccine passports on 13:24 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
So these people clogging up the beds are likely older people who haven't had their 2nd jab yet, but it's made out to be the younger people who haven't had their jabs by choice.
It's crazy how the media can put a spin on things in order to coerce people into having it. |
No. That nutcase is talking about israel and it's probably wrong becasue he always is, he's a WUM, he's not the sharpest so he isn't even very good at that.
The headline says they are unvaccinated, as in they haven't recived a single dose. Whether they are young or old it makes no difference, every adult in the UK has had the opportunity to have a vaccine.
5 of these 6 haven't bothered. If they had they wouldn't be using a that someone else may need. | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 14:15 - Sep 6 with 818 views | jackrmee |
| Vaccine passports on 14:07 - Sep 6 by Scotia |
No. That nutcase is talking about israel and it's probably wrong becasue he always is, he's a WUM, he's not the sharpest so he isn't even very good at that.
The headline says they are unvaccinated, as in they haven't recived a single dose. Whether they are young or old it makes no difference, every adult in the UK has had the opportunity to have a vaccine.
5 of these 6 haven't bothered. If they had they wouldn't be using a that someone else may need. |
How do you know though?
How do you know that 5 out of 6 "haven't bothered", as opposed to haven't been able to get the vaccine, or haven't had their 2nd jab yet?
I find it hard to believe that 5 out of 6 people in hospital beds for covid are younger people with no comorbidities.
These are the people who are being blamed for it. | |
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| Vaccine passports on 14:17 - Sep 6 with 814 views | Catullus |
| Vaccine passports on 13:24 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
So these people clogging up the beds are likely older people who haven't had their 2nd jab yet, but it's made out to be the younger people who haven't had their jabs by choice.
It's crazy how the media can put a spin on things in order to coerce people into having it. |
Don't take Stumps word for anything. The news article says 5 out of 6 are NOT VACCINATED. One dose isn't vaccinated. Older people have had their jabs, hardly any haven't. It's mostly people under 40 who haven't been jabbed.
Listening to Stumpy is listening to a sceptic who believes us who had the jab are brainwashed fools. There's more I could say but I'll keep it polite.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ | |
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| Vaccine passports on 14:19 - Sep 6 with 813 views | Scotia |
| Vaccine passports on 14:15 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
How do you know though?
How do you know that 5 out of 6 "haven't bothered", as opposed to haven't been able to get the vaccine, or haven't had their 2nd jab yet?
I find it hard to believe that 5 out of 6 people in hospital beds for covid are younger people with no comorbidities.
These are the people who are being blamed for it. |
The article says they are not vaccinated, it doesn't say fully vaccinated, they haven't been vaccinated at all. One dose gives significant protection from getting severely ill.
I'm taking that at face value for the purpose of this post.
Every adult in Wales has had the opportunity to receive a vaccine for 2 months. The vast majority could have had both doses.
They may not be younger with no cormobities, but they almost certainly wouldn't be where they are if they had been vaccinated. [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 15:21]
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| Vaccine passports on 14:21 - Sep 6 with 813 views | jackrmee |
| Vaccine passports on 14:17 - Sep 6 by Catullus |
Don't take Stumps word for anything. The news article says 5 out of 6 are NOT VACCINATED. One dose isn't vaccinated. Older people have had their jabs, hardly any haven't. It's mostly people under 40 who haven't been jabbed.
Listening to Stumpy is listening to a sceptic who believes us who had the jab are brainwashed fools. There's more I could say but I'll keep it polite.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ |
So one dosers wouldn't be classed as unvaccinated in the press? | |
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| Vaccine passports on 15:07 - Sep 6 with 785 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Vaccine passports on 22:41 - Sep 5 by Marcella |
So you find "your truth" via the medium of Google then?
Another perspective on any subject is only one scroll down mind ⬇ï¸
Copy and paste isn't always the way forward, open up your mind, read a book perhaps 🤔 |
How do you find the Clinical studies that show PRC tests are crap above 30 cycles?
How do you find the video of the US CDC's Dr Fauci saying that PRC tests over 35 cycles are crap?
Was it on the BBC?
In a newspaper?
Did prof or scotia tell you?
Where do you find the output from the VAERs program that tells you about all the deaths and very serious adverse effects from the COVID vaccines in the USA?
Where do you find the same data for the EU?
Where do you find the very limited Clinical trials of the COVID vaccines where you can see what the did and didn't test for?
Do you get my drift yet?
They are official documents, have you any idea where to find them so that you can make an educated "informed consent" to being vaccinated. | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 15:19 - Sep 6 with 778 views | Scotia |
| Vaccine passports on 14:21 - Sep 6 by jackrmee |
So one dosers wouldn't be classed as unvaccinated in the press? |
I think so, they aren't unvaccinated. They just aren't fully vaccinated. | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 15:25 - Sep 6 with 770 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Vaccine passports on 23:29 - Sep 5 by majorraglan |
The CDC have an effective test - it’s the one being used now. The reason they are bringing in a new test is because it will search for more than one virus at the same time which is something the PCR doesn’t. There a couple of non MSN sites below which explain t all better than I can.
https://www.health.com/conditi
https://fullfact.org/health/th |
"The CDC have an effective test - it’s the one being used now.", but not according to the scientists that ran the trials on them, or the inventor of the test or the CDC's Dr Fauci himself and various courts around the world.
I am well aware of why they say they did it, as I am aware that they also changed the number of cycles to be used in the PCR test for Vaccinated people, reducing it to 28 cycles.
Because they do not want any false positives increasing the numbers of "breakthrough cases".
The advantage of the duplex test is that not only does it save time, but it also prevents any flu cases that might have been diagnosed with 40-45 cycles showing up as breakthrough cases as well.
But you don't believe there has been any misdiagnosis do you?
You actually believe that their are hundreds of thousands of COVID cases with absolutely no symptoms whatsoever. In fact there are accoriding to the PCR tests Millions and millions of them all over the world.
I dare say you also don't believe that the vast majority of COVID deaths are "with" COVID and not from COVID. | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 15:26 - Sep 6 with 770 views | Scotia |
| Vaccine passports on 15:07 - Sep 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
How do you find the Clinical studies that show PRC tests are crap above 30 cycles?
How do you find the video of the US CDC's Dr Fauci saying that PRC tests over 35 cycles are crap?
Was it on the BBC?
In a newspaper?
Did prof or scotia tell you?
Where do you find the output from the VAERs program that tells you about all the deaths and very serious adverse effects from the COVID vaccines in the USA?
Where do you find the same data for the EU?
Where do you find the very limited Clinical trials of the COVID vaccines where you can see what the did and didn't test for?
Do you get my drift yet?
They are official documents, have you any idea where to find them so that you can make an educated "informed consent" to being vaccinated. |
Finding it is one thing.
Understanding it is another, as is being brainwashed by the lunatic fringe. | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 15:35 - Sep 6 with 762 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Vaccine passports on 15:26 - Sep 6 by Scotia |
Finding it is one thing.
Understanding it is another, as is being brainwashed by the lunatic fringe. |
I know, you have massive difficulty understanding any kind of data, but especially medical data.
You can't even tell the difference between 3 dead people and 6 dead people. [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 19:14]
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| Vaccine passports on 15:58 - Sep 6 with 748 views | Scotia |
| Vaccine passports on 15:35 - Sep 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know, you have massive difficulty understanding any kind of data, but especially medical data.
You can't even tell the difference between 3 dead people and 6 dead people. [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 19:14]
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A pathetic retort.
Would you like to compare your academic qualifiactions to the author's of the paper you are referring too? | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 16:28 - Sep 6 with 728 views | onehunglow |
| Vaccine passports on 15:35 - Sep 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know, you have massive difficulty understanding any kind of data, but especially medical data.
You can't even tell the difference between 3 dead people and 6 dead people. [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 19:14]
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Answer my question and don’t hide.
How should we have handled this.
The world awaits … | |
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| Vaccine passports on 19:07 - Sep 6 with 683 views | Professor |
| Vaccine passports on 15:58 - Sep 6 by Scotia |
A pathetic retort.
Would you like to compare your academic qualifiactions to the author's of the paper you are referring too? |
Or even to yours. Pathetic idiocy.
Really get more sense from a crack head | | | |
| Vaccine passports on 19:12 - Sep 6 with 680 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Vaccine passports on 15:58 - Sep 6 by Scotia |
A pathetic retort.
Would you like to compare your academic qualifiactions to the author's of the paper you are referring too? |
I don't care about their "academic qualifications".
Even a ten year old knows that 6 is more than 3, they justify ignoring the difference because they rate the study as poor.
But the dead people are still dead no matter how good or bad the study is.
That is the part that you also choose to ignore because of their educations.
You carry on ignoring I couldn't care less. | | | |
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