| Negative views and match attendance 23:35 - Sep 12 with 6897 views | WalterBoyd |
Just curious if there is a link. Someone posted earlier that most negative views are from fans who don't actually attend matches. I am unsure.
Onehunglow, Dwight , Dr Parnassuss , Shingle and AndyCole.
Out of the 5 of you, do any of you attend any Swans matches. How often ?
It's great to have the negative input, for every ying needs a yang and keeps us all on our toes.
I am genuinely curious if there is a link to fans not attending matches having a more negative view to the managers approach.
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| Negative views and match attendance on 16:53 - Sep 14 with 857 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 16:42 - Sep 14 by Catullus |
In Coopers first season he didn't change that much, we carried on playing pretty much the way Potters team had. It was just after Christmas in the second season when Cooper went all negative and boring.
What Martin has lost is also 3 of the 4 best players from last season, Ayew, Roberts and Guehi. Of course it's massive changes, it's not just personnel changes, it's playing style too.
In Coopers first 6 games, go on you like a good stat, how many of the starting 11 were there from Potters team?
And again, Cooper did not change the style that much. The 4 legacy players, isn't 7 new starting players, besides who's on the bench a massive change?
Not to you obviously. Most fans would (and indeed are) give the manager a grace period in all this. It's only a few of you that aren't. I wonder why because I do believe there are ulterior motives!
PS, I'm not getting all wrapped up in this endless cycle that you always embark on so reply or don't but I'm out now. I made my points, that's enough. |
Completely disagree, there were people slating him by the Leeds game (which we won), which was his 6th in charge, he has lost none of them.
We had 38% possession against Leeds and around 300 passes. So he has managed to implement that total style change by then and in the meantime still pick up a mass of points.
Again, it’s not a massive change. You are confusing a change for the fan for a change for him. He never had Ayew, never had Guehi. It’s not a change. He brought in his own players, 7 of the 11 in the last game were his men… he’s been given our second biggest football league budget in our history to do it.
Cooper “lost” Dan James, Ollie McBurnie, Leroy Fer and continued to lose players throughout his tenure such as VdH, Rodon, Brewster, Gallagher et al. He coped.
What is this “grace period” you are talking about? To do what? I have said on several occasions that I will happily be patient for him to perfect his style, like I have been with all managers. But the myth of needing months to see acceptable results is something I don’t subscribe to.
The only motive behind that view is that it is complete common sense backed by a quarter of a century of managers that have changed the style and not needed that. Complete and utter myth, peddled by those that I do actually believe have a motive…. And that’s to save face. Or attempt to at least. [Post edited 14 Sep 2021 16:56]
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| Negative views and match attendance on 18:35 - Sep 14 with 824 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Negative views and match attendance on 17:00 - Sep 14 by vetchonian |
The beuatiful game of football has been ruined by money and the use of statistical and performance analysis...the issue is stats and performance measurement are everywhere these days along with coaching by numbers.
I am convinced we end up with so many sideways and backward passes as players become "afraid" of giving away possesion if they try a "risky forward pass. Flair players then get subdued as managers may chastise them for not sticking to plan. I understand measurement and stats have their place but I think in sport they have taken the "edge" off the game...they even get used in commentry now especially rugby whereas the great Bill Maclaren would describe the action not how many phases, etc same as football sometimes commentators are obsessed by the number of touches, passes whatever haappend to just getting the ball in to the backof the net! |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 19:59 - Sep 14 with 794 views | max936 |
| Negative views and match attendance on 18:35 - Sep 14 by Treforys_Jack |
Agree with every word. |
Snap, everything is over analysed in all walks of life, so the last thing I want to see analysed is sport. |  |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 22:07 - Sep 14 with 752 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Negative views and match attendance on 11:51 - Sep 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Fans and supporters all come under the same bracket for me, if you believe they are different then I will happily listen to your reasoning and reassess the wording if it requires.
If ''supporters'' had to have blind faith and be happy in every situation then this forum wouldn't have very many at all, last year was embarrassing in terms of support for a side that was doing so well.
All managers are new at one point, they all get a transition period to perfect their style. But during that time they still need to be providing acceptable results, especially when we have spent so much money (2nd highest ever football league spend in the clubs history).
Anyone refusing to face reality due to a desire to save face because what they have been calling for isn't working, is not a real fan in my eyes. No time for them.
It is a shame you think stats have ruined the game. Usually its due to people not being able to get away with a skewed narrative anymore. That's why they are so vital to most clubs, the more successful the greater the stats department and reliance on them.
People often say they dislike stats, then reel off ''possession '', ''we had x shots on target''... they only dont like them when it shows something they dont like. [Post edited 14 Sep 2021 12:08]
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It’s not “blind” faith though. It’s just faith….for now.
Sometimes a new manager gets a bounce. We have t had that
I disagree too that it’s essential that we keep picking up wins while we change although if we changed mid season it would be imperative
As I said before this could change - but I’ve seen enough to almost understand where we are going. If we can pull it off I’d expect us to improve significantly. If we don’t start to see an upturn in the next 10 games we could be in trouble
However I saw an improvement Saturday (despite what team we were playing) and I’m hoping it will continue tomorrow |  |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 22:33 - Sep 14 with 733 views | max936 |
| Negative views and match attendance on 22:07 - Sep 14 by PatchesOHoulihan |
It’s not “blind” faith though. It’s just faith….for now.
Sometimes a new manager gets a bounce. We have t had that
I disagree too that it’s essential that we keep picking up wins while we change although if we changed mid season it would be imperative
As I said before this could change - but I’ve seen enough to almost understand where we are going. If we can pull it off I’d expect us to improve significantly. If we don’t start to see an upturn in the next 10 games we could be in trouble
However I saw an improvement Saturday (despite what team we were playing) and I’m hoping it will continue tomorrow |
Millwall be right in our faces, they won't give the space that Hull did either and won't be afraid to put the gas down in attack. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 23:26 - Sep 14 with 689 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 22:07 - Sep 14 by PatchesOHoulihan |
It’s not “blind” faith though. It’s just faith….for now.
Sometimes a new manager gets a bounce. We have t had that
I disagree too that it’s essential that we keep picking up wins while we change although if we changed mid season it would be imperative
As I said before this could change - but I’ve seen enough to almost understand where we are going. If we can pull it off I’d expect us to improve significantly. If we don’t start to see an upturn in the next 10 games we could be in trouble
However I saw an improvement Saturday (despite what team we were playing) and I’m hoping it will continue tomorrow |
It is blind faith. He’s a rookie with almost nothing on his CV other than a mid table League 1 finish. Since a new manager has taken over they have gone 5th.
We have absolutely no idea what Russell is capable of so it’s completely blind faith, especially when we are making up things to avoid scrutiny of his first 8-10 games here. Remember, Bob Bradley only had 11 games with a far more extensive CV, I didn’t hear too many people suggest we should be giving him months on end before we see any respectable results.
First we were told, judge after 10 games. Then 10-15, now you are saying another 10 games. What is the basis of all this time before scrutiny when no other Swansea manager has ever needed such margin of error? Is it that we don’t think Martin is as good as the managers we have had so he needs extra special treatment? I’m confused by it. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 00:45 - Sep 15 with 666 views | AndyCole |
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Oh dear Walter, you showed so much early promise, esp your initial cynicism of the current regime.
You said you were new here. If you look back over the past two terms you'll see that the cleverer rational thinkers were the only ones supporting our ongoing upward trajectory. Always supportive of our efforts, against a groundswell of the emotional unthinking. Only around 10% of us were supportive, always positively, rationally fighting the corner of our achievements. The 90% ranted and raved, week in week out. It was quite frankly embarrassing. Some would say they only come on this forum " for a Moan".
This term, quite bizarrely (or not) the unthinking are now blindly supportive of our failures. It's a herd mentality thing for sure.
You really couldn't make it up. How on earth the individuals in the flock are unable or unwilling to think clearly for themselves is such an eye opener.
Re the OP - I mainly watch our games in the stadium (East Nth East), and always in our Box, and on telly/streaming when I can't make it. My current preference is the Box, and on the box (the East Nth East is becoming diluted with disaffected seasoned season ticket holders selling their tickets per game).
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| Negative views and match attendance on 00:48 - Sep 15 with 665 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 00:45 - Sep 15 by AndyCole |
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Oh dear Walter, you showed so much early promise, esp your initial cynicism of the current regime.
You said you were new here. If you look back over the past two terms you'll see that the cleverer rational thinkers were the only ones supporting our ongoing upward trajectory. Always supportive of our efforts, against a groundswell of the emotional unthinking. Only around 10% of us were supportive, always positively, rationally fighting the corner of our achievements. The 90% ranted and raved, week in week out. It was quite frankly embarrassing. Some would say they only come on this forum " for a Moan".
This term, quite bizarrely (or not) the unthinking are now blindly supportive of our failures. It's a herd mentality thing for sure.
You really couldn't make it up. How on earth the individuals in the flock are unable or unwilling to think clearly for themselves is such an eye opener.
Re the OP - I mainly watch our games in the stadium (East Nth East), and always in our Box, and on telly/streaming when I can't make it. My current preference is the Box, and on the box (the East Nth East is becoming diluted with disaffected seasoned season ticket holders selling their tickets per game).
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He’s about as new as I am.
Two weeks ago (not even) he was saying “no more excuses for Russell”.
Yesterday he was bumping threads from a poster that tragically died, trying to use his death to score points by suggesting those that disagreed with him in the past should feel guilty.
Just disgusting.
The guy is a massive troll. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 00:51 - Sep 15 with 661 views | AndyCole |
| Negative views and match attendance on 00:48 - Sep 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
He’s about as new as I am.
Two weeks ago (not even) he was saying “no more excuses for Russell”.
Yesterday he was bumping threads from a poster that tragically died, trying to use his death to score points by suggesting those that disagreed with him in the past should feel guilty.
Just disgusting.
The guy is a massive troll. |
Who is he, any ideas ?
(Thought all this tripe had been cleaned up on here) | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 00:53 - Sep 15 with 653 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 00:51 - Sep 15 by AndyCole |
Who is he, any ideas ?
(Thought all this tripe had been cleaned up on here) |
I’m sure his behaviour is being monitored. Put it that way.
This forum has an excellent record when it comes to dealing with internet trolls. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 09:15 - Sep 15 with 582 views | Fireboy2 |
| Negative views and match attendance on 23:26 - Sep 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
It is blind faith. He’s a rookie with almost nothing on his CV other than a mid table League 1 finish. Since a new manager has taken over they have gone 5th.
We have absolutely no idea what Russell is capable of so it’s completely blind faith, especially when we are making up things to avoid scrutiny of his first 8-10 games here. Remember, Bob Bradley only had 11 games with a far more extensive CV, I didn’t hear too many people suggest we should be giving him months on end before we see any respectable results.
First we were told, judge after 10 games. Then 10-15, now you are saying another 10 games. What is the basis of all this time before scrutiny when no other Swansea manager has ever needed such margin of error? Is it that we don’t think Martin is as good as the managers we have had so he needs extra special treatment? I’m confused by it. |
Rookie, Steve Cooper? |  | | |
| Negative views and match attendance on 09:25 - Sep 15 with 563 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 09:15 - Sep 15 by Fireboy2 |
Rookie, Steve Cooper? |
Absolutely. 1 win in 6 matches after spending our second highest amount in our football league history for Cooper would also have got me asking questions when asked to blindly have faith in a rookie.
Thankfully that didn't have to be the case and we won 5 out of 6, drawing the other. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 10:37 - Sep 15 with 538 views | Fireboy2 |
| Negative views and match attendance on 09:25 - Sep 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Absolutely. 1 win in 6 matches after spending our second highest amount in our football league history for Cooper would also have got me asking questions when asked to blindly have faith in a rookie.
Thankfully that didn't have to be the case and we won 5 out of 6, drawing the other. |
With potters team.
RM inherited an unfit squad, whether it was because cooper couldn't give a f@#$ or the club told him not to bother we will never know the truth. [Post edited 15 Sep 2021 10:39]
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| Negative views and match attendance on 10:40 - Sep 15 with 525 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 10:37 - Sep 15 by Fireboy2 |
With potters team.
RM inherited an unfit squad, whether it was because cooper couldn't give a f@#$ or the club told him not to bother we will never know the truth. [Post edited 15 Sep 2021 10:39]
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No, Cooper's team.
The year after we had 3 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat.
Fitness training is the coaches area, not the managers.
We were fit enough to finish 4th... [Post edited 15 Sep 2021 10:47]
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| Negative views and match attendance on 11:46 - Sep 15 with 494 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Negative views and match attendance on 23:26 - Sep 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
It is blind faith. He’s a rookie with almost nothing on his CV other than a mid table League 1 finish. Since a new manager has taken over they have gone 5th.
We have absolutely no idea what Russell is capable of so it’s completely blind faith, especially when we are making up things to avoid scrutiny of his first 8-10 games here. Remember, Bob Bradley only had 11 games with a far more extensive CV, I didn’t hear too many people suggest we should be giving him months on end before we see any respectable results.
First we were told, judge after 10 games. Then 10-15, now you are saying another 10 games. What is the basis of all this time before scrutiny when no other Swansea manager has ever needed such margin of error? Is it that we don’t think Martin is as good as the managers we have had so he needs extra special treatment? I’m confused by it. |
And this is fudamentally where me and you differ
You are saying its blind faith as he has limited stats on CV to prove anything
It started as blind faith before I saw us kick a ball under him but now its faith and optimism because I can see what he's trying to do - as I said earlier its 1 or 2 steps back for 2 steps forward. Don't have me mistaken - I am alarmed at some things which have happened and I'm hoping what seems like arrogance or overcomfidence in his ability doesn't continue for too long or he gets proven right
You can't use another persons first ten games comment then use that against me who is using 10 games as a different measure at a different time
Its got nothing to do with whether we think he is as good or not - he's quite cleary trying to change a lot in a short space of time and sometimes thinks don't work and sometimes they do. He's working at a higher level than previously so he probably is finding things not quite as easy.
Either way I can't wait to see if the improvements I saw on Saturday (yes I know you think it doesn't count because Hull were poor) continue tonight and we can get a win and start the ball rolling on this season
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| Negative views and match attendance on 11:51 - Sep 15 with 482 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 11:46 - Sep 15 by PatchesOHoulihan |
And this is fudamentally where me and you differ
You are saying its blind faith as he has limited stats on CV to prove anything
It started as blind faith before I saw us kick a ball under him but now its faith and optimism because I can see what he's trying to do - as I said earlier its 1 or 2 steps back for 2 steps forward. Don't have me mistaken - I am alarmed at some things which have happened and I'm hoping what seems like arrogance or overcomfidence in his ability doesn't continue for too long or he gets proven right
You can't use another persons first ten games comment then use that against me who is using 10 games as a different measure at a different time
Its got nothing to do with whether we think he is as good or not - he's quite cleary trying to change a lot in a short space of time and sometimes thinks don't work and sometimes they do. He's working at a higher level than previously so he probably is finding things not quite as easy.
Either way I can't wait to see if the improvements I saw on Saturday (yes I know you think it doesn't count because Hull were poor) continue tonight and we can get a win and start the ball rolling on this season
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I still don't know what you mean by ''change'' though?
These are now his players, they were all playing passing football last year. What is he changing exactly?
Laird, Ntcham, Williams, Downes and Piroe were all from passing sides, that he chose because they could fit into our side. The keeper Hamer didn't play under Cooper either.
That leaves Grimes, Naughton, Bennett and Bidwell.
This is the same number of legacy players that Cooper had going into his first game as manager where he was changing the style drastically from Potters.
Just not seeing it. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 12:28 - Sep 15 with 459 views | vetchonian |
| Negative views and match attendance on 10:37 - Sep 15 by Fireboy2 |
With potters team.
RM inherited an unfit squad, whether it was because cooper couldn't give a f@#$ or the club told him not to bother we will never know the truth. [Post edited 15 Sep 2021 10:39]
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Even more BS and myth..In Coopers first game only 4 out of the 11 had played in the last 4 games under Potter and this was the case during Coopers first 4 games there were never more than 4 players who had played in Potters last few matches.
The team had a new Keeper...Woodman and new left back in Bidwell, Rodon broke back into the team,Fulton started there was no McBurnie or James..so to say Cooper inherited Potters team is another myth...Cooper managed to play with a new team ans style yet still got results. Admittedly Cooper had full reseason but you can balme the club for this seasons fiasco...it was known Cooper wanted to leave yet it took so long to orhcestrate.This BS about him bottlling it is unfounded as the club could have just said ok you want to leave then quit with no need of them paying up any compensation....there is more to Coopers leaving than him supposedly "losing his bottle" but thats history now we have to focus on the manager in siitu who has managed one win so far though it could be argued it is the players who achieved this as they "apparantly " went against instruction.
MArtin has my support but he needs to get results soon. How do we know there was imorivement last Satiurday what is measured against? Hull as an oppostion were quite poor its like the euphoria that followed the game agiant Reading in the cup when we played their u23s effectively men angainst boys...we soon came crashing back down to earth.
Comparisons will be made between results of Cooper and Martin as they were with Potter and Cooper...but again the myths prevail..
I have concerns about MArtin ...he seems a little too arrogant whilst arrogance is not a bad thinng in competetive situations it can also be a failing....he states he only has a plan a ..remember all the fuss when Bowyer called us out last season for not changing shape...I am concerned we will become so one dimensional and predictable we will always be neeutralised...
Time will tell but for me the myhts and BS that prevail used to counter the data backed arguements some use on here is crazy...just like as we were a hoofball side under Cooper...how could we be when we had no target man...yes we may have at times put the ball into the channels to be chased by Roberts and BIdwell we more often than not also played out form the back acrodss the back 3 .The biggest issue was we were all at home watching on the TV no crowds no moise no atmosphere and when the games became tepid it is then easy to get bored and distrcted. If we had had to watch Saturdays performance in the smae way Im not so sure there would be a smany positive comments as there currently are.
Lets see how it goes tonight. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 12:35 - Sep 15 with 448 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Negative views and match attendance on 11:51 - Sep 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
I still don't know what you mean by ''change'' though?
These are now his players, they were all playing passing football last year. What is he changing exactly?
Laird, Ntcham, Williams, Downes and Piroe were all from passing sides, that he chose because they could fit into our side. The keeper Hamer didn't play under Cooper either.
That leaves Grimes, Naughton, Bennett and Bidwell.
This is the same number of legacy players that Cooper had going into his first game as manager where he was changing the style drastically from Potters.
Just not seeing it. |
They may well have been playing pasisng football last year but it is clear what we are trying to do this year is different to how our passing was last year even if you want to be awkward about it | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 12:36 - Sep 15 with 440 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 12:28 - Sep 15 by vetchonian |
Even more BS and myth..In Coopers first game only 4 out of the 11 had played in the last 4 games under Potter and this was the case during Coopers first 4 games there were never more than 4 players who had played in Potters last few matches.
The team had a new Keeper...Woodman and new left back in Bidwell, Rodon broke back into the team,Fulton started there was no McBurnie or James..so to say Cooper inherited Potters team is another myth...Cooper managed to play with a new team ans style yet still got results. Admittedly Cooper had full reseason but you can balme the club for this seasons fiasco...it was known Cooper wanted to leave yet it took so long to orhcestrate.This BS about him bottlling it is unfounded as the club could have just said ok you want to leave then quit with no need of them paying up any compensation....there is more to Coopers leaving than him supposedly "losing his bottle" but thats history now we have to focus on the manager in siitu who has managed one win so far though it could be argued it is the players who achieved this as they "apparantly " went against instruction.
MArtin has my support but he needs to get results soon. How do we know there was imorivement last Satiurday what is measured against? Hull as an oppostion were quite poor its like the euphoria that followed the game agiant Reading in the cup when we played their u23s effectively men angainst boys...we soon came crashing back down to earth.
Comparisons will be made between results of Cooper and Martin as they were with Potter and Cooper...but again the myths prevail..
I have concerns about MArtin ...he seems a little too arrogant whilst arrogance is not a bad thinng in competetive situations it can also be a failing....he states he only has a plan a ..remember all the fuss when Bowyer called us out last season for not changing shape...I am concerned we will become so one dimensional and predictable we will always be neeutralised...
Time will tell but for me the myhts and BS that prevail used to counter the data backed arguements some use on here is crazy...just like as we were a hoofball side under Cooper...how could we be when we had no target man...yes we may have at times put the ball into the channels to be chased by Roberts and BIdwell we more often than not also played out form the back acrodss the back 3 .The biggest issue was we were all at home watching on the TV no crowds no moise no atmosphere and when the games became tepid it is then easy to get bored and distrcted. If we had had to watch Saturdays performance in the smae way Im not so sure there would be a smany positive comments as there currently are.
Lets see how it goes tonight. |
Same, currently I am behind the manager. I have not once slagged him off - contrary to popular belief.
I just dislike the myths that are constantly peddled and shoehorned fraudulently to represent an alternate reality.
It is concerning, but I hope he can turn it around. We do have some favorable games now so its as good a time as any. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 12:39 - Sep 15 with 436 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 12:35 - Sep 15 by PatchesOHoulihan |
They may well have been playing pasisng football last year but it is clear what we are trying to do this year is different to how our passing was last year even if you want to be awkward about it |
Of course, but my point is these players weren't here last year.
So while it is a change for you, it isn't for them. I am not being awkward, I am telling you that the change he is making is being overblown.
It is the exact change Cooper had to make when he took over from Potter. 4 old players in the starting 11 that had to adapt to his new style from the old one, and 7 drafted in that could fit the system.
The scale of change needed to impart on the side is no different. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 13:29 - Sep 15 with 406 views | Fireboy2 |
| Negative views and match attendance on 10:40 - Sep 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
No, Cooper's team.
The year after we had 3 wins, 2 draws and 1 defeat.
Fitness training is the coaches area, not the managers.
We were fit enough to finish 4th... [Post edited 15 Sep 2021 10:47]
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And lose comprehensively in the final in May.
Pre season training starts in July when most players fitness drop dramatically, that comes from experience. | | | |
| Negative views and match attendance on 13:40 - Sep 15 with 385 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Negative views and match attendance on 13:29 - Sep 15 by Fireboy2 |
And lose comprehensively in the final in May.
Pre season training starts in July when most players fitness drop dramatically, that comes from experience. |
To a team competing extremely well in the Premier League yes, netting us £20m in the process for getting to the Final.
Excellent achievement for the club.
As I said, fitness is the coaches job not the managers. | |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 13:56 - Sep 15 with 383 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Negative views and match attendance on 13:40 - Sep 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
To a team competing extremely well in the Premier League yes, netting us £20m in the process for getting to the Final.
Excellent achievement for the club.
As I said, fitness is the coaches job not the managers. |
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| Negative views and match attendance on 14:14 - Sep 15 with 374 views | vetchonian |
| Negative views and match attendance on 13:56 - Sep 15 by Treforys_Jack |
Who manages the coaches ? |
the drivers? | |
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, on all seriousness I tend to agree over analysis has somewhat ruined the game for me, that and the PL, but I fully take on board you're an enthusiast, and that is absolutely fine.