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The point of legalisation is that it removes desperate people away from criminal gangs, it removes vulnerable children away from being exploited from county lines dealing, it removes people being trafficked to become cannabis gardeners.
If it’s regulated a lot of people who would otherwise buy from dealers for drugs mixed with all sorts of horrible things will know they will be safer, needle exchanges, more likely to turn for help if they know they won’t be criminalised.
It’ll free police time from dealing with low level addicts and enable them to concentrate on the gangs.
Car alarms cannot be compared, as the car remains there to be stolen, here their supply market is fatally weakened.
It’ll be impossible to remove the demand, people always have and always will take drugs, chase a high etc. This way, it’s brought under some form of control.
We do have lengthy sentences, in the States, they’ve life sentences for this, but they’ve still a huge drug problem. That’s an easy out which Patel keeps postering all the time. That is not the answer.
A good reply and what I'd expect. I disagree though. Either society keeps these away from the public or we suffer .
It seems Starmer is having trouble with his deputy leader. She has shown she has a right potty mouth. Seems she wants to reinforce the image of Labour as the "nasty" party.
Prohibition doesn't work. Has never worked. So much petty acquisitive crime is a direct result of the drugs trade. All you're doing is creating a lucrative industry for those of a criminal persuasion.
Legalise, control and treat. Draconian sentences for those selling outside the law or commiting crimes to fund purchases outside the law.
"Legalise, control and treat. Draconian sentences for those selling outside the law or committing crimes to fund purchases outside the law."
If you think that'll work you're living in cuckoo land, the drug black market will never go away, nor the crime, plus draconian sentences will never be implemented.
I've been sayin this for a while. Take the profits away from the criminals and put them in the exchequer. We'd know who all the addicts were and make it easier to help them get treatment. It'd be worth making it a loss leader to put the big dealers out of business.
It'd have to go hand in hand with far more severe sentencing for dealing/supplying and buying from illegal sources though, Carrot and stick working together.
The profits/wealth are being taken away from criminals, right now, it's a massive minefield though I'd imagine.
I also think to some extent we’re criminalising the wrong people.
Think of the kid our young adult who gets caught the first time they have something on them they shouldn’t. The punishment isn’t just the fine or jail time of whatever it is. It’s the associated record.
That young person will be denied the chance to work in numerous sectors and could end up doing nothing at all and spiralling into being a drain on society.
Ironically, it’ll be the same people calling for heavier sentences going red in the face about the spongers those sentences formed.
Yes let's not worry about the victims. Unless you make the drugs free they will still rob & kill for their fixes when they have no money and more than likely end up dead from an overdose. Misery for their family, misery for them, misery for their victims and families. But that is OK because they need a fix. More work for hospitals when the OD as well. Great, let's make it easier for them and sod the rest of society.
Yes let's not worry about the victims. Unless you make the drugs free they will still rob & kill for their fixes when they have no money and more than likely end up dead from an overdose. Misery for their family, misery for them, misery for their victims and families. But that is OK because they need a fix. More work for hospitals when the OD as well. Great, let's make it easier for them and sod the rest of society.
Very judgemental there.
The vast vast majority of drug users, do so safely and without any problems. I think it's only about 5% of users who actually need to rob and steal etc.
Another thing. I guess the majority of people posting here drink alcohol, or at least condone their friends and family doing so. That's a drug by the way. And it kills more than ALL other drugs put together. ALL OTHER DRUGS.
The vast vast majority of drug users, do so safely and without any problems. I think it's only about 5% of users who actually need to rob and steal etc.
Another thing. I guess the majority of people posting here drink alcohol, or at least condone their friends and family doing so. That's a drug by the way. And it kills more than ALL other drugs put together. ALL OTHER DRUGS.
Spot on. Millions drink alcohol and take recreational drugs without any ill defects whatsoever. It's a small proportion that go on to become addicts, yet we treat them like criminals.
The vast vast majority of drug users, do so safely and without any problems. I think it's only about 5% of users who actually need to rob and steal etc.
Another thing. I guess the majority of people posting here drink alcohol, or at least condone their friends and family doing so. That's a drug by the way. And it kills more than ALL other drugs put together. ALL OTHER DRUGS.
Yes I am very judgemental. As a matter of fact I only condone "drinking" because it is legal. I have no problem with someone else drinking alcohol with a meal to enhance the experience. As you say alcohol is a much bigger problem. So by your logic "let's make hard drugs just as accessible as alcohol" so that we can get it to the same level of a problem. Great.
Yes I am very judgemental. As a matter of fact I only condone "drinking" because it is legal. I have no problem with someone else drinking alcohol with a meal to enhance the experience. As you say alcohol is a much bigger problem. So by your logic "let's make hard drugs just as accessible as alcohol" so that we can get it to the same level of a problem. Great.
I doubt people would be running to a drug consumption room in order to take heroin, simply because it's not a criminal offence.
The same as I doubt that people would stop drinking alcohol if they made it illegal.
Alcohol IS the hard drug. If it was invented now, it would be immediately banned and made class A.
I don't think there has been one overdose in any drug consumption room, so it's not the drugs that's killing people. It's the toxicity of street drugs.
So injecting heroine is ok for the vast vast majority then.
My God ,you truly are something else.
This is why we are screwed.
Alcohol can be taken in moderation .Not really so with smack.
Most people can have a glass or wine and a beer with no issues but few will want to jack up on smack .
Driving under the influence of drugs is arguably worse than alcohol.
Not all heroin users inject. There are fully functioning people who use heroin regularly, who do not have a problem with it. Professors, teachers, musicians.
Not all heroin users inject. There are fully functioning people who use heroin regularly, who do not have a problem with it. Professors, teachers, musicians.
Yes I know. I've had to call paramedics for those who ve used otherwise
The problem with heroin, is not the drug itself, but what it's mixed and cut with. You can be getting 30% mix one day, the next time the dealer messes up and it's 50% you are getting unknowingly. That's how overdoes happen and not users trying to get a bigger high.
Also, it's the impurities that cause the health problems, collapsed veins, ulcers, blood poisoning etc. If it was administered in a safe clean environment, it would cut down on many deaths and illnesses. It would be better quality and would be administered safely.
This is what has been found when it's been tried in other countries. It was even trialled successfully in Liverpool at one time, but the reactionaries pulled the plug on the funding, because, well, it's simply not how we do things here.
This is 2021 not 1971. we need another approach because the old ways simply do not work.
The problem with heroin, is not the drug itself, but what it's mixed and cut with. You can be getting 30% mix one day, the next time the dealer messes up and it's 50% you are getting unknowingly. That's how overdoes happen and not users trying to get a bigger high.
Also, it's the impurities that cause the health problems, collapsed veins, ulcers, blood poisoning etc. If it was administered in a safe clean environment, it would cut down on many deaths and illnesses. It would be better quality and would be administered safely.
This is what has been found when it's been tried in other countries. It was even trialled successfully in Liverpool at one time, but the reactionaries pulled the plug on the funding, because, well, it's simply not how we do things here.
This is 2021 not 1971. we need another approach because the old ways simply do not work.
And also the case pure heroin will almost certainly kill you.
The profits/wealth are being taken away from criminals, right now, it's a massive minefield though I'd imagine.
If the assets can be traced they can be seized and after a Court process they can be confiscated, however, once the money is laundered or offshore it’s difficult to trace it.
Yes let's not worry about the victims. Unless you make the drugs free they will still rob & kill for their fixes when they have no money and more than likely end up dead from an overdose. Misery for their family, misery for them, misery for their victims and families. But that is OK because they need a fix. More work for hospitals when the OD as well. Great, let's make it easier for them and sod the rest of society.
How’ve you got there from my example of a youngsters punishment for a first possession offence?
Is that what you’re after - first pull for possession for a 16 year old to ruin the rest of their lives, costing the taxpayer a fortune?
And also the case pure heroin will almost certainly kill you.
Why do we still take drugs?
That is the question we should be asking
I never said pure heroin as that will kill, but measured doses mixed with whatever is deemed safe.
Drugs are used for recreational highs, the same as alcohol and tobacco. There has always been a market for it and always will be.I like a few pints myself and have often over indulged, but It has never been a problem for me, as i have had a good family upbringing, and good job and a family life.
I didn't have the need to use drugs or alcohol as an escape, which is what I believe most drug users take it for. We are only referring to a fairly small minority who get addicted, but they seem to cause a lot of problems, but treating them as crims is not the way
Pure heroin is used every day in hospitals and medical situations around the world. It's called morphine.
It's about 70%. it's obviously given in regulated doses by expert doctors. Patients when recovered and come off the morphine don't get addicted. It's not the drug that's addictive it's the circumstances of the users.
During the Vietnam war, many US troops were on heroin regularly, and it was feared that they would flood the streets when they were demobbed. It didn't happen that way. When the troops were back home and away from the fear and stress of the war zones, they didn't have the need to take it any longer, and simply stopped. Of course, there were still some that took it to get away from their memories or whatever, but in general the drug itself wasn't addictive.
It's about 70%. it's obviously given in regulated doses by expert doctors. Patients when recovered and come off the morphine don't get addicted. It's not the drug that's addictive it's the circumstances of the users.
During the Vietnam war, many US troops were on heroin regularly, and it was feared that they would flood the streets when they were demobbed. It didn't happen that way. When the troops were back home and away from the fear and stress of the war zones, they didn't have the need to take it any longer, and simply stopped. Of course, there were still some that took it to get away from their memories or whatever, but in general the drug itself wasn't addictive.
Exactly. Which is why the teachers and other fully functional people are able to carry on normally while also using it.
Addiction has many causes. If drugs didn't exist, the addiction would manifest elsewhere. Porn, gambling, video games.
How’ve you got there from my example of a youngsters punishment for a first possession offence?
Is that what you’re after - first pull for possession for a 16 year old to ruin the rest of their lives, costing the taxpayer a fortune?
I wasn't responding to your first comment as know full well. Let's let every law breaker off with their first offence shall we, or the first time they are actually caught.
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