| Keir Starmer 23:54 - Sep 24 with 5864 views | WalterBoyd |
Thinks decriminalising class A drugs is the way forward.
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| Keir Starmer (n/t) on 20:28 - Sep 26 with 788 views | Jack123 |
| Keir Starmer on 20:10 - Sep 26 by jackrmee |
Exactly. Different substances affect people in different ways.
Alcohol kills more people than all the other drugs put together. Thats just the facts.
That doesn't mean that someoe should be able to tell you (someone it works for) that they will go to jail if they drink it.
You are an adult. You have the right to choose if you drink a little bit of alcohol or not.
For me, alcohol turns me into a different guy. I stopped drinking it many years ago.
I use cannabis, infrequently. Maybe if I need some insight or to help me think, or for creativity. Sometimes when I walk on the beach.
Cannabis has never killed anyone. Why should someone be able to tell me I can't use cannabis to help myself, yet I can drink alcohol, which sends me crazy? |
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| Keir Starmer on 20:39 - Sep 26 with 763 views | Fireboy2 |
| Keir Starmer on 20:10 - Sep 26 by jackrmee |
Exactly. Different substances affect people in different ways.
Alcohol kills more people than all the other drugs put together. Thats just the facts.
That doesn't mean that someoe should be able to tell you (someone it works for) that they will go to jail if they drink it.
You are an adult. You have the right to choose if you drink a little bit of alcohol or not.
For me, alcohol turns me into a different guy. I stopped drinking it many years ago.
I use cannabis, infrequently. Maybe if I need some insight or to help me think, or for creativity. Sometimes when I walk on the beach.
Cannabis has never killed anyone. Why should someone be able to tell me I can't use cannabis to help myself, yet I can drink alcohol, which sends me crazy? |
I disagree with you re cannabis never killing anyone, cannabis was ultimately responsible for my dad's demise, he got told that it helped ease the pain he had through arthritis, yes it did but the stupid old goat never stopped smoking the sh!t and it affected his appetite massively, he used eat like a horse then after starting smoking cannabis he just stopped eating, it was horrible to watch him basically wither down to nothing, I and especially my brother tried our best to help him but he just couldn't shake it. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer on 20:46 - Sep 26 with 752 views | jackrmee |
| Keir Starmer on 20:39 - Sep 26 by Fireboy2 |
I disagree with you re cannabis never killing anyone, cannabis was ultimately responsible for my dad's demise, he got told that it helped ease the pain he had through arthritis, yes it did but the stupid old goat never stopped smoking the sh!t and it affected his appetite massively, he used eat like a horse then after starting smoking cannabis he just stopped eating, it was horrible to watch him basically wither down to nothing, I and especially my brother tried our best to help him but he just couldn't shake it. |
That's sad to hear mate. I for one am not going to argue with you about what caused what. Apologies.
Maybe I can't use that comparison that it hasn't killed anyone, but my point still stands. Its safer than alcohol (for me) so I should have the choice, not be punished for it. Especially as I don't get punished for drinking alcohol, which does serious damage to my health, both mentally and physically, as well as getting me in a lot of trouble and hurting people I care about. |  |
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| Keir Starmer on 21:00 - Sep 26 with 744 views | Fireboy2 |
| Keir Starmer on 20:46 - Sep 26 by jackrmee |
That's sad to hear mate. I for one am not going to argue with you about what caused what. Apologies.
Maybe I can't use that comparison that it hasn't killed anyone, but my point still stands. Its safer than alcohol (for me) so I should have the choice, not be punished for it. Especially as I don't get punished for drinking alcohol, which does serious damage to my health, both mentally and physically, as well as getting me in a lot of trouble and hurting people I care about. |
No probs mate, everyone has opinions and I'm glad you sorted your problems out with alcohol.
Cannabis like alcohol affects different people in different ways, I can drink 10-15 pints and can not have a drink for a while whilst a couple of mates of mine turned into alcoholics which ultimately killed them, Cannabis can affect the mind not just the appetite, it can affect your mental health, make you anxious and bring on depression. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 21:08 - Sep 26 with 740 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Keir Starmer on 21:00 - Sep 26 by Fireboy2 |
No probs mate, everyone has opinions and I'm glad you sorted your problems out with alcohol.
Cannabis like alcohol affects different people in different ways, I can drink 10-15 pints and can not have a drink for a while whilst a couple of mates of mine turned into alcoholics which ultimately killed them, Cannabis can affect the mind not just the appetite, it can affect your mental health, make you anxious and bring on depression. |
If you smoke it, it will give you lung cancer, just like tobacco. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 21:11 - Sep 26 with 739 views | Catullus |
People arguing it shouldn't be legalised and the arguments against them are all valid.
Prohibition hasn't worked. We throw thousands of police hours at the war on drugs, what if we could reduce drug crime by legalising and at the same time throw most of those thousands of hours at policing other crimes?
Why do people expect us to carry on doing the same things when they haven't worked for over 30 years, isn't that a definition of insanity, 30 years of insanity? Something has to change.
Don't forget Starmers previous career, he probably knows a lot about this subject and has formed an opinion based on knowledge. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 21:15 - Sep 26 with 736 views | Fireboy2 |
| Keir Starmer on 21:08 - Sep 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
If you smoke it, it will give you lung cancer, just like tobacco. |
It may give you lung cancer not will. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 21:40 - Sep 26 with 716 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer on 18:13 - Sep 26 by onehunglow |
I disagree lisa.
It is utterly dumb to legalise such dangerous products hoping that people will somehow refrain from doing dope.Almost as dumb as thinking criminality will decrease. It wont.
Might as well legalise burglary a that is out of control too and cant be seemingly policed although that is down to cretinous Senior police officers |
We don't expect ppl to refrain from them, because we know that won't happen. I would still enjoy a few pints whether it was legal or not , we just want it to be controlled so ppl don't die and criminal gangs don't flourish. | | | |
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| Keir Starmer on 21:40 - Sep 26 with 716 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer on 16:11 - Sep 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
I wasn't responding to your first comment as know full well.
Let's let every law breaker off with their first offence shall we, or the first time they are actually caught. [Post edited 26 Sep 2021 16:12]
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There’s a lot of emphasis these days on restorative justice and diversionary activities and it totally and utterly makes sense for minor offences, I am not talking about the serious stuff here.
If the intervention is effective then the transgressor won’t come in to contact with the police again and will be able to put this behind them and move forward with their life, they won’t be stigmatised and unable to apply for jobs as they have criminal records etc. If the offender doesn’t take the chance they’ve been given, they will come again. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 22:52 - Sep 26 with 674 views | Sirjohnalot |
Reading through the few pages, what a brilliant thread. All different opinions. Love it. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer on 23:11 - Sep 26 with 658 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Keir Starmer on 21:15 - Sep 26 by Fireboy2 |
It may give you lung cancer not will. |
You are correct, but it is considered to be more carcinogenic than tobacco.
There also suggestions of more mouth and throat cancer as well
So take your chances of you want to. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 08:43 - Sep 27 with 599 views | felixstowe_jack |
Starmer calling for an end to fee paying schools, which will only result in more pupils having to attend state schools at tax payers expense.
Which of these current labour politicians attend fee paying schools?
Sir Keir, Anneliese Dodds, John Haig, Thangam Debbonaire. Correct they all did.
Not forgetting Tony Blair and Diane Abbott who both sent their children to fee paying schools.
Hypocrisy. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 10:59 - Sep 27 with 577 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer on 08:43 - Sep 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Starmer calling for an end to fee paying schools, which will only result in more pupils having to attend state schools at tax payers expense.
Which of these current labour politicians attend fee paying schools?
Sir Keir, Anneliese Dodds, John Haig, Thangam Debbonaire. Correct they all did.
Not forgetting Tony Blair and Diane Abbott who both sent their children to fee paying schools.
Hypocrisy. |
Kier Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School after passing the 11 Plus exam, at that time it was a State School. While he was there, (probably halfway through) it became an Independent School - he was never required to pay school fees. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 11:02 - Sep 27 with 566 views | onehunglow |
| Keir Starmer on 10:59 - Sep 27 by majorraglan |
Kier Starmer went to Reigate Grammar School after passing the 11 Plus exam, at that time it was a State School. While he was there, (probably halfway through) it became an Independent School - he was never required to pay school fees. |
But his point remains on Abbot and she says she represents the poor .
Plenty in Labour past and present privately educated | |
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| Keir Starmer on 11:09 - Sep 27 with 571 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Keir Starmer on 08:43 - Sep 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Starmer calling for an end to fee paying schools, which will only result in more pupils having to attend state schools at tax payers expense.
Which of these current labour politicians attend fee paying schools?
Sir Keir, Anneliese Dodds, John Haig, Thangam Debbonaire. Correct they all did.
Not forgetting Tony Blair and Diane Abbott who both sent their children to fee paying schools.
Hypocrisy. |
He didn’t. He called for an end to charitable status.
And he didn’t attend private school.
And Blair’s kids didn’t attend private school. They went to the London Oratory which is a Roman Catholic faith school. No fees.
Someone could go to a Private school and not agree with them anyway. It’s not hypocrisy. They don’t choose where they go as kids. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 27 with 560 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer on 11:09 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
He didn’t. He called for an end to charitable status.
And he didn’t attend private school.
And Blair’s kids didn’t attend private school. They went to the London Oratory which is a Roman Catholic faith school. No fees.
Someone could go to a Private school and not agree with them anyway. It’s not hypocrisy. They don’t choose where they go as kids. |
Keir Starmer attended Reigate Grammar school which is a fee paying independent school.
Double hypocrite, after all it was labour who abolished all the Grammar schools which offered the best education to everyone. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 12:06 - Sep 27 with 554 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Keir Starmer attended Reigate Grammar school which is a fee paying independent school.
Double hypocrite, after all it was labour who abolished all the Grammar schools which offered the best education to everyone. |
It is a fee paying school now, but it wasn’t when he started there as an 11 year old, it was then a State run Grammar School. It became a fee paying school in 1976, about half way through.
There’s a big difference between that and going to a Private School from the outset, but I suspect you knew that and are twisting things again to suit your agenda. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 13:03 - Sep 27 with 547 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer on 12:06 - Sep 27 by majorraglan |
It is a fee paying school now, but it wasn’t when he started there as an 11 year old, it was then a State run Grammar School. It became a fee paying school in 1976, about half way through.
There’s a big difference between that and going to a Private School from the outset, but I suspect you knew that and are twisting things again to suit your agenda. |
About 100,000 children benefit from bursaries and attend private schools as part of their charitable status. What happens to these children when they lose their charitable status? Anyone know? |  |
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| Keir Starmer on 13:19 - Sep 27 with 544 views | controversial_jack |
As someone posted earlier, it's hardly the fault of the kids where they are sent to school | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 13:35 - Sep 27 with 528 views | onehunglow |
| Keir Starmer on 13:19 - Sep 27 by controversial_jack |
As someone posted earlier, it's hardly the fault of the kids where they are sent to school |
And bear in mind the fact these kids are sent away from home ASAP to be abused in various ways.
Privileged …never. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 15:37 - Sep 27 with 508 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer on 13:35 - Sep 27 by onehunglow |
And bear in mind the fact these kids are sent away from home ASAP to be abused in various ways.
Privileged …never. |
They don't all get bummed by prefects and older boys lol | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 16:21 - Sep 27 with 481 views | Catullus |
| Keir Starmer on 15:37 - Sep 27 by controversial_jack |
They don't all get bummed by prefects and older boys lol |
No? Is that because the teachers need to have their turn 
I would agree with doing away with fee paying schools if the whole education system could be uograded to the same standard as a minimum.
I do agree though, those politicians who say one thing then do another are complete hypocrites, at least have some honesty. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 16:22 - Sep 27 with 480 views | krunchykarrot |
If people want to send their kids to private school then thats their choice. Instaed of taxing these schools out of business why cant we copy the successfull module. Throwing money at our state education system has failed miserably with us falling further back. Its no coincidence that the countries that are top of all learning lists do not follow our teaching modules. Singapore and Vietnam for example still use our olld system and get signifigantly higher results. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer on 16:23 - Sep 27 with 478 views | Lohengrin |
| Keir Starmer on 13:03 - Sep 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
About 100,000 children benefit from bursaries and attend private schools as part of their charitable status. What happens to these children when they lose their charitable status? Anyone know? |
They become wards of the Road Hauliers Association and begin immediate work toward gaining a HGV Class 1?  |  |
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| Keir Starmer on 17:46 - Sep 27 with 461 views | Fireboy2 |
| Keir Starmer on 23:11 - Sep 26 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are correct, but it is considered to be more carcinogenic than tobacco.
There also suggestions of more mouth and throat cancer as well
So take your chances of you want to. |
Not really, thank you. | | | |
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