| Keir Starmer 23:54 - Sep 24 with 6531 views | WalterBoyd |
Thinks decriminalising class A drugs is the way forward.
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| Keir Starmer on 18:32 - Sep 27 with 1144 views | Sirjohnalot |
My profession is full of Fee paid schools, red brick, Oxbridge types. I’m lucky my Chambers has a load of people like me, working class, comprehensive educated left of middle rebels. Much harder to get anywhere if your dad didn’t hang out drinking port with judges (steel worker in Port Talbot and best man I know )
Always fun to stick it to the posh boys |  | | |
| Keir Starmer on 18:36 - Sep 27 with 1134 views | KeithHaynes |
| Keir Starmer on 18:32 - Sep 27 by Sirjohnalot |
My profession is full of Fee paid schools, red brick, Oxbridge types. I’m lucky my Chambers has a load of people like me, working class, comprehensive educated left of middle rebels. Much harder to get anywhere if your dad didn’t hang out drinking port with judges (steel worker in Port Talbot and best man I know )
Always fun to stick it to the posh boys |
When a young person stumbles out of the dust and chippings of a working class life, makes a noise and achieves irrespective of the hurdles it’s worth shouting very loud. |  |
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| Keir Starmer on 18:37 - Sep 27 with 1126 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Keir Starmer on 11:53 - Sep 27 by felixstowe_jack |
Keir Starmer attended Reigate Grammar school which is a fee paying independent school.
Double hypocrite, after all it was labour who abolished all the Grammar schools which offered the best education to everyone. |
It wasn’t when he went there.
Plus he didn't decide where he went anyway.
And grammar schools only work better for 20% if indeed they do which is debatable. What about the other 80%? | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 18:40 - Sep 27 with 1119 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Keir Starmer on 18:36 - Sep 27 by KeithHaynes |
When a young person stumbles out of the dust and chippings of a working class life, makes a noise and achieves irrespective of the hurdles it’s worth shouting very loud. |
I had the luxury of a extremely loving upbringing and being able to chat crap to people. Parents always thought I’d make a million in Clydach Market : )
Criminal law in a lot about how you relate to people and being able to lead lying witnesses down an alley they can’t escape from. Great fun | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 18:48 - Sep 27 with 1096 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Keir Starmer on 13:03 - Sep 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
About 100,000 children benefit from bursaries and attend private schools as part of their charitable status. What happens to these children when they lose their charitable status? Anyone know? |
It’s actually about 6000 a year that receive a full scholarship and about 12,000 more that receive some help. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 19:07 - Sep 27 with 1072 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer on 18:48 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s actually about 6000 a year that receive a full scholarship and about 12,000 more that receive some help. |
Plus many of the burseries are surprisingly small and are handed out to only 1 in 5 of disadvantaged children.
I've stated before, I've nothing against private school but they're not charities - they're businesses. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 19:33 - Sep 27 with 1051 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer on 18:48 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s actually about 6000 a year that receive a full scholarship and about 12,000 more that receive some help. |
http://www.gettherightschool.c
About 150,000 in private secondary schools receive some support according to this.
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| Keir Starmer on 19:49 - Sep 27 with 1035 views | londonlisa2001 |
Private school bursaries as mentioned are for those aged 13-18 - 5 years.
The total of pupils receiving some form of bursary at prep school age (5-13) is about 10,000. Not oer year, total. Most scholarships kick in for senior school.
The reality is that people scraping money together for heating their homes pay 5% VAT. Those paying £30k-£40k per year for school pay no VAT. That doesn’t seem particularly fair.
Yeah, you completely changed your post to which this was a reply.
Whatever. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 20:11]
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| Keir Starmer on 19:54 - Sep 27 with 1029 views | 73__73 |
| Keir Starmer on 19:49 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Private school bursaries as mentioned are for those aged 13-18 - 5 years.
The total of pupils receiving some form of bursary at prep school age (5-13) is about 10,000. Not oer year, total. Most scholarships kick in for senior school.
The reality is that people scraping money together for heating their homes pay 5% VAT. Those paying £30k-£40k per year for school pay no VAT. That doesn’t seem particularly fair.
Yeah, you completely changed your post to which this was a reply.
Whatever. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 20:11]
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Of course it’s fair. Absolutely nothing wrong with paying for a private education. Much better than comprehensive state run crap. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 20:00 - Sep 27 with 1029 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer on 19:49 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Private school bursaries as mentioned are for those aged 13-18 - 5 years.
The total of pupils receiving some form of bursary at prep school age (5-13) is about 10,000. Not oer year, total. Most scholarships kick in for senior school.
The reality is that people scraping money together for heating their homes pay 5% VAT. Those paying £30k-£40k per year for school pay no VAT. That doesn’t seem particularly fair.
Yeah, you completely changed your post to which this was a reply.
Whatever. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 20:11]
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I only asked what happened to those on bursaries, I didn't offer an opinion on fairness. If you look at VAT exempt services there are more discussions to be had. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 20:07 - Sep 27 with 1015 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Keir Starmer on 19:54 - Sep 27 by 73__73 |
Of course it’s fair. Absolutely nothing wrong with paying for a private education. Much better than comprehensive state run crap. |
I didn’t pass comment on private schools. I passed comment on the exemption from VAT. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 20:10 - Sep 27 with 1011 views | londonlisa2001 |
That’s talking about any help at all. Including specific trust funds, company sponsorships, military etc etc.
Plus it covers anything from 5% upwards (it states).
You specifically stated bursaries received as part of charitable status.
If you want to include the others, it wouldn’t be changed as a result of change of charitable status. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 20:33 - Sep 27 with 992 views | 73__73 |
| Keir Starmer on 20:07 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
I didn’t pass comment on private schools. I passed comment on the exemption from VAT. |
What about the thousands of pounds each year that private education saves the state. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 21:02 - Sep 27 with 975 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer on 20:07 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
I didn’t pass comment on private schools. I passed comment on the exemption from VAT. |
There are always many sides of an issue. Someone who has built up a successful career/business and is paying the top rate of tax and NI are paying something like 50 percent of their top earnings to the state, this would most likely be the income funding private school fees.
One perspective is if you put 20 percent on top then sending your adolescent to private school overseas becomes attractive.
Of course private schools can cut fees by 20 percent and ask for increased contributions for expenses. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 21:14]
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| Keir Starmer on 21:13 - Sep 27 with 969 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Keir Starmer on 21:02 - Sep 27 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There are always many sides of an issue. Someone who has built up a successful career/business and is paying the top rate of tax and NI are paying something like 50 percent of their top earnings to the state, this would most likely be the income funding private school fees.
One perspective is if you put 20 percent on top then sending your adolescent to private school overseas becomes attractive.
Of course private schools can cut fees by 20 percent and ask for increased contributions for expenses. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 21:14]
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VAT isn’t necessarily 20%
If someone is on a very small income paying VAT on many types of food or on heating is surely less fair?
The overall tax burden is far higher on the less well off due to the impact of VAT. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 21:54 - Sep 27 with 929 views | onehunglow |
Public school pupils are despised not because of professional opportunity but naked class hatred. Envy and jealousy.
Many "working class" ,if they make it big, send their kids as far as way as possible from "ordinary" kids. Same thing as buying large piles in Cheshire and not Levenshulme. There 's a reason for that.
It is utter hypocrisy. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 22:20 - Sep 27 with 925 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer on 19:49 - Sep 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Private school bursaries as mentioned are for those aged 13-18 - 5 years.
The total of pupils receiving some form of bursary at prep school age (5-13) is about 10,000. Not oer year, total. Most scholarships kick in for senior school.
The reality is that people scraping money together for heating their homes pay 5% VAT. Those paying £30k-£40k per year for school pay no VAT. That doesn’t seem particularly fair.
Yeah, you completely changed your post to which this was a reply.
Whatever. [Post edited 27 Sep 2021 20:11]
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I think you will find it was the EU who ordered all member countries to impose 5% VAT on gas and electricity as part of their single market policy.
Of course now we have left perhaps both labour and Conservatives could promise to remove the VAT when the country can afford it. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 23:24 - Sep 27 with 898 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Keir Starmer on 17:46 - Sep 26 by londonlisa2001 |
You’ve spent months urging people to do stupid things that endanger other people’s lives…
There is nothing bleeding heart about legalising drugs. It’s just sensible.
We’ve had decades of doing it your way and it doesn’t work.
Someone else’s go perhaps?
Can’t possibly go worse. |
Have you found those links yet?
You know the ones where I urged people to do stupid things that endanger other people's lives?
I am still waiting. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 22:30 - Sep 28 with 833 views | WalterBoyd |
| Keir Starmer on 20:39 - Sep 26 by Fireboy2 |
I disagree with you re cannabis never killing anyone, cannabis was ultimately responsible for my dad's demise, he got told that it helped ease the pain he had through arthritis, yes it did but the stupid old goat never stopped smoking the sh!t and it affected his appetite massively, he used eat like a horse then after starting smoking cannabis he just stopped eating, it was horrible to watch him basically wither down to nothing, I and especially my brother tried our best to help him but he just couldn't shake it. |
Just read two incredibly honest and touching posts. Yours the first, much respect for sharing that, must have been extremely tough dealing with and watching that to happen in front of you, to someone you love.
A wake up call for many who see cannabis use as having little consequence. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 13:11 - Sep 30 with 722 views | Catullus |
| Keir Starmer on 22:30 - Sep 28 by WalterBoyd |
Just read two incredibly honest and touching posts. Yours the first, much respect for sharing that, must have been extremely tough dealing with and watching that to happen in front of you, to someone you love.
A wake up call for many who see cannabis use as having little consequence. |
It's not that Cannabis has little consequence though. It's about the taking away of criminality and being able to help the drug users, it's about preventing harmful addictions while making money from it for the country instead of it going to criminal gangs, what could county lines gangs do if drugs were easily bought but legally?
Cannais isn't as harmful in this country as alcohol has been but prohibition hasn't worked, it just fueled crime in the USA, for example.
Legalise it and then at least the taxes would help pay for the teatments, NHS and police time. The big problem would be, the transition from crime to legality could be a long hard road. | |
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| Keir Starmer on 13:42 - Sep 30 with 716 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Keir Starmer on 13:11 - Sep 30 by Catullus |
It's not that Cannabis has little consequence though. It's about the taking away of criminality and being able to help the drug users, it's about preventing harmful addictions while making money from it for the country instead of it going to criminal gangs, what could county lines gangs do if drugs were easily bought but legally?
Cannais isn't as harmful in this country as alcohol has been but prohibition hasn't worked, it just fueled crime in the USA, for example.
Legalise it and then at least the taxes would help pay for the teatments, NHS and police time. The big problem would be, the transition from crime to legality could be a long hard road. |
Gangs don't pay "taxes", so how is the government going to undercut them?
If they legalise it, how then criminalise thee gangs, licensing? | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 00:19 - Oct 1 with 652 views | WalterBoyd |
| Keir Starmer on 13:11 - Sep 30 by Catullus |
It's not that Cannabis has little consequence though. It's about the taking away of criminality and being able to help the drug users, it's about preventing harmful addictions while making money from it for the country instead of it going to criminal gangs, what could county lines gangs do if drugs were easily bought but legally?
Cannais isn't as harmful in this country as alcohol has been but prohibition hasn't worked, it just fueled crime in the USA, for example.
Legalise it and then at least the taxes would help pay for the teatments, NHS and police time. The big problem would be, the transition from crime to legality could be a long hard road. |
I think you missed the point I was making. I thought Fireboy2 and Jackrmee were fantastic and brave in opening up about their stories, and I am humbled by them both.
They dont need it, but up very high, the top, in my rankings of what makes a top person. Life needs more like this. One day I hope to get there. | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 10:29 - Oct 1 with 607 views | onehunglow |
Very simply,even if it is legalise,criminals will continue to supply illegally .
If it's made legal and it's not really that dangerous,then will there be a legal age. What will it be 16/15/13/12 .9? | |
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| Keir Starmer on 10:41 - Oct 1 with 607 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer on 10:29 - Oct 1 by onehunglow |
Very simply,even if it is legalise,criminals will continue to supply illegally .
If it's made legal and it's not really that dangerous,then will there be a legal age. What will it be 16/15/13/12 .9? |
They won't supply if there's no demand.We don't see gangs supplying bootleg beer or spirits
I would suggest it to be 18, the same as alcohol and voting | | | |
| Keir Starmer on 11:23 - Oct 1 with 590 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer on 10:41 - Oct 1 by controversial_jack |
They won't supply if there's no demand.We don't see gangs supplying bootleg beer or spirits
I would suggest it to be 18, the same as alcohol and voting |
We see to see gangs supply beer, wine etc as it was cheaper to purchase in France than in the UK. Gangs still sell bootlegged alcohol, invariably to shops and a lot of this concerns passing off cheap stuff as off branded products. It’s usually a Trading Standards who pick these jobs up and they then pass on to Customs and Excise.
The “State” price would have to be cheaper than the gangsters price, there would also have to be massive sentences for the dealers who continued to peddle drugs illegally to deter them. | | | |
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