| More Senedd madness on 17:06 - Jul 25 with 934 views | builthjack |
| More Senedd madness on 17:04 - Jul 25 by Boundy |
I'm not disputing what you say except to add that isn't the case throughout Wales , far from it . |
Tenant farmers and very small farms are different . |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 18:16 - Jul 25 with 899 views | pencoedjack |
| More Senedd madness on 10:16 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
Kilky thinks you can't be Welsh if you vote tory. He probably blindly votes the same way time after time (assuming he votes) without a second thought and cannot see the stupidity in that.
He welcomes anybody into Wales as long as they aren't English.
He's convinced himself Drakeford is for independence despite Drakeford clearly saying he isn't.
He's blinkered, narrow minded, heck not even narrow, he's a closed mind.
It's people voting exactly the same way no matter what that has delivered all our problems. The Tories and Labour have no need to change, to grow and develop better ideas because their sheep will always support them.
People need to look at their choices, think about them and make the best choice not merely turn up and vote as they have always voted. They are actually more like the fabled Lemmings than Sheep. Even if Lemmings don't actually do what many think they do!
I often (well mostly) disagree with Kerouac but his post on this looks accurate to me. |
Why anyone responds to him baffles me.
The only people who will be spending money in Wales in the near future is tourists because we will have no industry left.
Sure these idiot Indy types will love cleaning the bogs in some West Wales b&b of English guests. |  | | |
| More Senedd madness on 18:33 - Jul 25 with 886 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 16:57 - Jul 25 by builthjack |
Farmers in Wales have never been so well.off. seriously.
Farmers 20-30 years ago struggled. They came to market with stock boxes held together with wire, houses in poor condition, Barns in a poor state of repair, battered vehicles, 25--30kg lambs, old tractors etc.
Now they have newish vehicles, .any of them 60k range rovers, newish stock boxes, newish tractors and implements, nice houses, the kids have nice houses, holiday cottages and done up barns, 35-50kg lambs as can afford to feed them etc.
They will.complain, but are 50 times better off these days.
I should.know. |
Well I don't see them anymore and it's been 11 years since I was medically retired but the farmers I used to deliver too only fitted the worst of what you say, batterered vehicles, battered equipment, battered old cars, houses and barns that looked...battered! There are some rich farmers obviously and some know how to rinse the system. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 19:17 - Jul 25 with 860 views | BryanSwan |
| More Senedd madness on 16:34 - Jul 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
As would be the case of Scotland or wales went independent |
Why would that be the case? Scotland, Wales and England would all be stupid if any of them were to stop freedom of movement and trade between themselves after Indy.
It would be bad for all parties involved. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 19:29 - Jul 25 with 842 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| More Senedd madness on 19:17 - Jul 25 by BryanSwan |
Why would that be the case? Scotland, Wales and England would all be stupid if any of them were to stop freedom of movement and trade between themselves after Indy.
It would be bad for all parties involved. |
Scotland would inevitably end up back in the EU. They wouldn’t have any say on their border conditions under that scenario. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 19:54 - Jul 25 with 825 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 19:17 - Jul 25 by BryanSwan |
Why would that be the case? Scotland, Wales and England would all be stupid if any of them were to stop freedom of movement and trade between themselves after Indy.
It would be bad for all parties involved. |
If Scotland and Wales went indy it depends on whether we joned the EU. Even if we applied to the EU it could take over a decade to be welcomed fully into their club. Assume we were, their rules would mean hard borders
That in itself would be suicide for Wales. How much of our trade is with the EU (or was pre brexit) and how much is with the UK/England?
This much of course, Drakeford knows. Drakeford says Westminster should give us more money but they could double the subsidy and he'd want more. He is running up bills he can't pay. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 20:32 - Jul 25 with 808 views | onehunglow |
| More Senedd madness on 19:54 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
If Scotland and Wales went indy it depends on whether we joned the EU. Even if we applied to the EU it could take over a decade to be welcomed fully into their club. Assume we were, their rules would mean hard borders
That in itself would be suicide for Wales. How much of our trade is with the EU (or was pre brexit) and how much is with the UK/England?
This much of course, Drakeford knows. Drakeford says Westminster should give us more money but they could double the subsidy and he'd want more. He is running up bills he can't pay. |
which currency would they use? | |
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| More Senedd madness on 20:39 - Jul 25 with 804 views | Togg |
| More Senedd madness on 20:32 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
which currency would they use? |
...... and all those lovely jobs in the DVLA and tax office. I'm sure the workers will be dead chuffed..not. | | | |
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| More Senedd madness on 21:00 - Jul 25 with 795 views | BryanSwan |
| More Senedd madness on 19:54 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
If Scotland and Wales went indy it depends on whether we joned the EU. Even if we applied to the EU it could take over a decade to be welcomed fully into their club. Assume we were, their rules would mean hard borders
That in itself would be suicide for Wales. How much of our trade is with the EU (or was pre brexit) and how much is with the UK/England?
This much of course, Drakeford knows. Drakeford says Westminster should give us more money but they could double the subsidy and he'd want more. He is running up bills he can't pay. |
It certainly would be interesting to see what would happen. It would be suicide for any of the UK countries to completely cut themselves off. Would be North Korea Mk.2.
I mean with Tories in Wesminster they are more than happy to let Wales and Scotland starve, neither will ever return any significant number of MPs for them.
The way funding is worked out in the UK has been wrong for decades, nothing is ever funded on need. Which has left all of the countries in the absolute shambles they are now. (Barring the South East Eng). | |
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| More Senedd madness on 21:12 - Jul 25 with 771 views | Flashberryjack |
| More Senedd madness on 20:32 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
which currency would they use? |
Arian Cymru. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 21:13 - Jul 25 with 771 views | Dr_Winston |
If an independent Wales or Scotland joined the EU it would entirely defeat the purpose of becoming independent in the first place.
No advocate for either has successfully squared that circle yet. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 22:32 - Jul 25 with 731 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 20:32 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
which currency would they use? |
That was the first thing Drakeford said when asked about indy. he said if we choose to use Sterling then we weren't independent as we'd be in thrall to Westminsters/BoE's financial policies.
Besides, that particular legal argument rumbles on, Westminster repeats that Scotland couldn't use Sterling without Westminsters consent. We'll have to wait til it's legally sorted to know for sure. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 22:35 - Jul 25 with 728 views | builthjack |
| More Senedd madness on 22:32 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
That was the first thing Drakeford said when asked about indy. he said if we choose to use Sterling then we weren't independent as we'd be in thrall to Westminsters/BoE's financial policies.
Besides, that particular legal argument rumbles on, Westminster repeats that Scotland couldn't use Sterling without Westminsters consent. We'll have to wait til it's legally sorted to know for sure. |
Scotland will surely use the Euro when they go independent | |
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| More Senedd madness on 22:43 - Jul 25 with 723 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 22:35 - Jul 25 by builthjack |
Scotland will surely use the Euro when they go independent |
Sturgeon kept saying they'd use Sterling. I guess the EU won't refuse them the Euro though. As long as they bow to some rules.
That's when they finally go indy, however long that takes, it's another legality that needs sorting. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 22:44 - Jul 25 with 721 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 20:39 - Jul 25 by Togg |
...... and all those lovely jobs in the DVLA and tax office. I'm sure the workers will be dead chuffed..not. |
Lots of jobs in the civil service would move into Wales, of course.
DWP, Tax, DoJ, DoT, MoD etc etc |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 22:51 - Jul 25 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 22:43 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
Sturgeon kept saying they'd use Sterling. I guess the EU won't refuse them the Euro though. As long as they bow to some rules.
That's when they finally go indy, however long that takes, it's another legality that needs sorting. |
Its a piece of pish.
Scotland will join the EU at record speed, just to pish off Brexit England.
Scotland will take the Euro, like Ireland.
The border issue will be sorted with France.
Jobs a good one …. and Scotland will rise.
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| More Senedd madness on 22:53 - Jul 25 with 710 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 22:32 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
That was the first thing Drakeford said when asked about indy. he said if we choose to use Sterling then we weren't independent as we'd be in thrall to Westminsters/BoE's financial policies.
Besides, that particular legal argument rumbles on, Westminster repeats that Scotland couldn't use Sterling without Westminsters consent. We'll have to wait til it's legally sorted to know for sure. |
Westminster cannot stop Scotland using Sterling. Fact.
Although they will choose the Euro. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 23:00 - Jul 25 with 707 views | raynor94 |
| More Senedd madness on 22:44 - Jul 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Lots of jobs in the civil service would move into Wales, of course.
DWP, Tax, DoJ, DoT, MoD etc etc |
Remind us again, what job are you employed in? |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 06:12 - Jul 26 with 673 views | Dr_Winston |
The Welsh population works out at about 5% of the total UK population so there's your baseline figure. 95% of DVLA staff would be redundant. That's about 4,500 people local to the Swansea area almost immediately jobless in the event of Welsh independence.
Overall about 29,000 people in Wales are employed by Central Govt (HMRC, DWP, Passport Office, IPO etc). That doesn't include those employed by the WG, which equates to about 5,500. Even if we're generous and assume that 10% of those could be redeployed under any prospective Independent Senedd, you're talking at least 25,000 people redundant. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:05]
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| More Senedd madness on 06:21 - Jul 26 with 666 views | Togg |
| More Senedd madness on 22:44 - Jul 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Lots of jobs in the civil service would move into Wales, of course.
DWP, Tax, DoJ, DoT, MoD etc etc |
I think there will be definitely be a deficit of Civil Service jobs. | | | |
| More Senedd madness on 06:28 - Jul 26 with 664 views | Togg |
| More Senedd madness on 22:43 - Jul 25 by Catullus |
Sturgeon kept saying they'd use Sterling. I guess the EU won't refuse them the Euro though. As long as they bow to some rules.
That's when they finally go indy, however long that takes, it's another legality that needs sorting. |
Last time I looked the pound was worth 1.18 euro. Hypothetically, If Scotland used the euro would there then be parity in the value? The best thing Gordon Brown did was keep Sterling the currency of the UK. | | | |
| More Senedd madness on 12:51 - Jul 26 with 598 views | Boundy |
| More Senedd madness on 06:21 - Jul 26 by Togg |
I think there will be definitely be a deficit of Civil Service jobs. |
I think he means as we'll be independent then we'll have our own departments. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 13:19 - Jul 26 with 582 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 12:51 - Jul 26 by Boundy |
I think he means as we'll be independent then we'll have our own departments. |
Thank you.
Also ….. save a load of money on military spend.
Cymru will not be in the business of bombing Arab shepherds.
Think Ireland, not UK/USA. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 13:30 - Jul 26 with 576 views | felixstowe_jack |
| More Senedd madness on 20:32 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
which currency would they use? |
All NEW countries joining the EU have to use the EURO. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 13:37 - Jul 26 with 570 views | felixstowe_jack |
| More Senedd madness on 22:53 - Jul 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Westminster cannot stop Scotland using Sterling. Fact.
Although they will choose the Euro. |
They could unofficialyl use Stering but then Scotland would have no say on interest rates or borrowing or money supply. Hardly independent at all.
If they ever meet the new financial criteria for joining the EU they would be forced to use the EURO, all NEW members have to. They would then be at the mercy of the Central European Bank, run by Germany and France and would have no say over interest rates . A bit like Greece who desperately need a currency with a much lower value to promote tourism.
Again Scotland would not be independent.
Fortunately the Majority of voters in Scotland know this snd support for independence is only around 45% the same as their once in a generation referendum. | |
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