| More Senedd madness on 13:43 - Jul 26 with 1067 views | felixstowe_jack |
| More Senedd madness on 06:12 - Jul 26 by Dr_Winston |
The Welsh population works out at about 5% of the total UK population so there's your baseline figure. 95% of DVLA staff would be redundant. That's about 4,500 people local to the Swansea area almost immediately jobless in the event of Welsh independence.
Overall about 29,000 people in Wales are employed by Central Govt (HMRC, DWP, Passport Office, IPO etc). That doesn't include those employed by the WG, which equates to about 5,500. Even if we're generous and assume that 10% of those could be redeployed under any prospective Independent Senedd, you're talking at least 25,000 people redundant. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:05]
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All those jobs pay above average wages and have good pension schemes. As you state 90 to 95% of those jobs would move to England and it is very likely the people in those jobs would be offered the chance to relocate to England and keep their jobs. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 13:58 - Jul 26 with 1055 views | Dr_Winston |
It's also worth factoring in the Welsh redundancies that would take place as a result of Scottish Independence. If the Scots jump ship 10% of the work done in places like the DVLA go with them.
Wee Jimmy certainly wouldn't want their vehicles and drivers licencing handled elsewhere. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 14:26 - Jul 26 with 1035 views | BryanSwan |
| More Senedd madness on 13:58 - Jul 26 by Dr_Winston |
It's also worth factoring in the Welsh redundancies that would take place as a result of Scottish Independence. If the Scots jump ship 10% of the work done in places like the DVLA go with them.
Wee Jimmy certainly wouldn't want their vehicles and drivers licencing handled elsewhere. |
Scotland leaving would probably help a lot of goverment departments catch up, but most likely the Gov would sack a load of people so the service would remain consistently poor. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 14:41 - Jul 26 with 1027 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 14:26 - Jul 26 by BryanSwan |
Scotland leaving would probably help a lot of goverment departments catch up, but most likely the Gov would sack a load of people so the service would remain consistently poor. |
Thing is, as scotland (according to official figures) is a net gainer (just say subsidised) from the UK, the DVLA could be allowed to run and catch up without any extra costs. The day would come though when redundancies happened, though maybe it could be allowed to happen by natural wastage? Don't replace leavers.
Some of the jobs would have to be replaced by the Senedd but then, they seem determined to cut motoring down so maybe they wouldn't?
If anybody in Wales is serious about going indy then surely they recognise the Senedd absolutely has to be investing in infarstructure AND in hi tech industry. Otherwise an indy Wales is doomed to be a low income, high tax nation. It'll be OK for the politicians and the already rich, the rest of us won't be happy though. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 15:08 - Jul 26 with 1014 views | Dr_Winston |
| More Senedd madness on 14:41 - Jul 26 by Catullus |
Thing is, as scotland (according to official figures) is a net gainer (just say subsidised) from the UK, the DVLA could be allowed to run and catch up without any extra costs. The day would come though when redundancies happened, though maybe it could be allowed to happen by natural wastage? Don't replace leavers.
Some of the jobs would have to be replaced by the Senedd but then, they seem determined to cut motoring down so maybe they wouldn't?
If anybody in Wales is serious about going indy then surely they recognise the Senedd absolutely has to be investing in infarstructure AND in hi tech industry. Otherwise an indy Wales is doomed to be a low income, high tax nation. It'll be OK for the politicians and the already rich, the rest of us won't be happy though. |
Until the already rich simply up sticks to the country next door that has a shared language, culture and lower tax rates.
Then we'll be a high tax, low investment, low wealth sh*thole that can't even attract tourists because of the taxes on them too. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 15:43 - Jul 26 with 997 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 15:08 - Jul 26 by Dr_Winston |
Until the already rich simply up sticks to the country next door that has a shared language, culture and lower tax rates.
Then we'll be a high tax, low investment, low wealth sh*thole that can't even attract tourists because of the taxes on them too. |
I reckon the already rich will be moving quite soon after a vote for indy. Wales will be even poorer than it is now and getting worse.
By the time we even have a vote I may not be around but we are working hard to make sure our son has resources so if he does decide to leave Wales, he'll have the means. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 16:10 - Jul 26 with 985 views | BryanSwan |
| More Senedd madness on 14:41 - Jul 26 by Catullus |
Thing is, as scotland (according to official figures) is a net gainer (just say subsidised) from the UK, the DVLA could be allowed to run and catch up without any extra costs. The day would come though when redundancies happened, though maybe it could be allowed to happen by natural wastage? Don't replace leavers.
Some of the jobs would have to be replaced by the Senedd but then, they seem determined to cut motoring down so maybe they wouldn't?
If anybody in Wales is serious about going indy then surely they recognise the Senedd absolutely has to be investing in infarstructure AND in hi tech industry. Otherwise an indy Wales is doomed to be a low income, high tax nation. It'll be OK for the politicians and the already rich, the rest of us won't be happy though. |
The DVLA need more staff as it is, may just provide a better service with less work. But you're probably right, this goverment would try and cut costs as soon as they could even if it meant a poor service.
I agree with some of your last statement, money really does need to be put into infrastructure for industries. There are plenty of opportunities to do so.
As for higher taxes, i wouldnt be completely against paying a bit more if i knew it was going to improve public services.Rather than funneled into pointless projects or capitalist friends pockets. (Both the Senedd and WM are guilty of that). | |
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| More Senedd madness on 16:22 - Jul 26 with 976 views | pencoedjack |
| More Senedd madness on 14:41 - Jul 26 by Catullus |
Thing is, as scotland (according to official figures) is a net gainer (just say subsidised) from the UK, the DVLA could be allowed to run and catch up without any extra costs. The day would come though when redundancies happened, though maybe it could be allowed to happen by natural wastage? Don't replace leavers.
Some of the jobs would have to be replaced by the Senedd but then, they seem determined to cut motoring down so maybe they wouldn't?
If anybody in Wales is serious about going indy then surely they recognise the Senedd absolutely has to be investing in infarstructure AND in hi tech industry. Otherwise an indy Wales is doomed to be a low income, high tax nation. It'll be OK for the politicians and the already rich, the rest of us won't be happy though. |
Last paragraph sums it up nicely. |  | | |
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| More Senedd madness on 16:46 - Jul 26 with 963 views | johnlangy |
| More Senedd madness on 06:12 - Jul 26 by Dr_Winston |
The Welsh population works out at about 5% of the total UK population so there's your baseline figure. 95% of DVLA staff would be redundant. That's about 4,500 people local to the Swansea area almost immediately jobless in the event of Welsh independence.
Overall about 29,000 people in Wales are employed by Central Govt (HMRC, DWP, Passport Office, IPO etc). That doesn't include those employed by the WG, which equates to about 5,500. Even if we're generous and assume that 10% of those could be redeployed under any prospective Independent Senedd, you're talking at least 25,000 people redundant. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 10:05]
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5% of UK civil service jobs equate to about 25,000.
Just to use your own logic re the Welsh population size. Lots of civil service jobs are done on behalf of Wales in depts based in England. | | | |
| More Senedd madness on 18:51 - Jul 26 with 938 views | Catullus |
| More Senedd madness on 16:46 - Jul 26 by johnlangy |
5% of UK civil service jobs equate to about 25,000.
Just to use your own logic re the Welsh population size. Lots of civil service jobs are done on behalf of Wales in depts based in England. |
OK lets discuss "lots"...do you have any idea of how many "lots" is? Do you have any idea if we would need all of these jobs because there are some things Wales would probably not worry about, like having an armed forces for example, and nuclear weapons.
So lets start with reserved powers, policing and justice, yes we'd need jobs here for that. What else is there? | |
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| More Senedd madness on 19:21 - Jul 26 with 918 views | Flashberryjack |
| More Senedd madness on 15:08 - Jul 26 by Dr_Winston |
Until the already rich simply up sticks to the country next door that has a shared language, culture and lower tax rates.
Then we'll be a high tax, low investment, low wealth sh*thole that can't even attract tourists because of the taxes on them too. |
I know of two medium sized companies that are already seriously considering moving their business to England, at the moment they are weighing up the cost of moving against the extra business they expect to generate plus the amount they'll save on transport costs..
Drakeford and his mob of bunglers are slowly but surely killing Wales, unless of course you grow trees. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 21:15 - Jul 26 with 873 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 19:21 - Jul 26 by Flashberryjack |
I know of two medium sized companies that are already seriously considering moving their business to England, at the moment they are weighing up the cost of moving against the extra business they expect to generate plus the amount they'll save on transport costs..
Drakeford and his mob of bunglers are slowly but surely killing Wales, unless of course you grow trees. |
Why would any business move to the high Real Estate and higher wages of England…?
Plus Brexit means its difficult to sell outside the uk.
Plus the Tory created cost of living crises with fuel price increases and rampant inflation.
Labour shortages.
Farming and fishing in tatters.
Yes hugely attractive, i am sure. Ffs. |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 21:24 - Jul 26 with 860 views | Flashberryjack |
| More Senedd madness on 21:15 - Jul 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Why would any business move to the high Real Estate and higher wages of England…?
Plus Brexit means its difficult to sell outside the uk.
Plus the Tory created cost of living crises with fuel price increases and rampant inflation.
Labour shortages.
Farming and fishing in tatters.
Yes hugely attractive, i am sure. Ffs. |
You need to open the other eye, I'm sure it would help you see things so much better.
Try it. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 21:38]
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| More Senedd madness on 22:43 - Jul 26 with 806 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 21:24 - Jul 26 by Flashberryjack |
You need to open the other eye, I'm sure it would help you see things so much better.
Try it. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 21:38]
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Be sure to let us know how your imaginary friend gets on 👠[Post edited 26 Jul 2022 22:44]
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| More Senedd madness on 22:58 - Jul 26 with 802 views | Brynmill_Jack |
Why? Who’ve they named bard?? A controversial choice? |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 15:00 - Aug 2 with 672 views | Flashberryjack |
Someone needs to stop Drakeford doing as he pleases, who the f*ck in their right mind wants more politicians. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 15:13 - Aug 2 with 664 views | Whiterockin |
| More Senedd madness on 15:00 - Aug 2 by Flashberryjack |
Someone needs to stop Drakeford doing as he pleases, who the f*ck in their right mind wants more politicians. |
Agree, but if a Conservative MP/leader candidate is against it, it will only encourage the Labour die hards for it to go through. |  | | |
| More Senedd madness on 15:21 - Aug 2 with 649 views | raynor94 |
| More Senedd madness on 22:43 - Jul 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Be sure to let us know how your imaginary friend gets on 👠[Post edited 26 Jul 2022 22:44]
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Brilliant coming from Mr Mitty |  |
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| More Senedd madness on 15:49 - Aug 2 with 634 views | pencoedjack |
| More Senedd madness on 15:00 - Aug 2 by Flashberryjack |
Someone needs to stop Drakeford doing as he pleases, who the f*ck in their right mind wants more politicians. |
It will never happen in Wales.
Jimmy Saville with Gary Glitter as his deputy would get voted in if they were the Labour candidates.
I imagine Vaughan Gething will be taking the reins in the near future ..... something to look forward too  | | | |
| More Senedd madness on 16:40 - Aug 2 with 615 views | Kilkennyjack |
| More Senedd madness on 15:49 - Aug 2 by pencoedjack |
It will never happen in Wales.
Jimmy Saville with Gary Glitter as his deputy would get voted in if they were the Labour candidates.
I imagine Vaughan Gething will be taking the reins in the near future ..... something to look forward too |
Whereas Savile was an actual Tory activist who had Christmas celebrations with Mrs Thatcher herself.
Why does your Tory party attract such weirdo supporters…? | |
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| More Senedd madness on 16:45 - Aug 2 with 612 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| More Senedd madness on 16:40 - Aug 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Whereas Savile was an actual Tory activist who had Christmas celebrations with Mrs Thatcher herself.
Why does your Tory party attract such weirdo supporters…? |
To be fair Savile cosied up to whoever was in power at the time.
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| More Senedd madness on 16:48 - Aug 2 with 609 views | Dr_Winston |
There's not much wrong with what Sunak has said there. Obviously Wales would prefer to play a really small role in a UK wide inquiry rather than have its multitude of failings laid bare by one of its own. | |
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| More Senedd madness on 18:31 - Aug 2 with 569 views | Boundy |
Drakeford likes to dish it out , lets see if the quivering quim can take it , I suspect not | |
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| More Senedd madness on 18:33 - Aug 2 with 568 views | Boundy |
| More Senedd madness on 16:40 - Aug 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Whereas Savile was an actual Tory activist who had Christmas celebrations with Mrs Thatcher herself.
Why does your Tory party attract such weirdo supporters…? |
Ever heard of George Thomas , if not look him up he was Welsh you know , | |
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