| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 10:10 - Jan 22 with 6675 views | SwansIndependent |
 What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 22nd Jan 2023 10:09Swansea City have three players who many supporters hope never play for the club again. The latest is Morgan Whittaker to join Michael Obafemi and Jamie Paterson. We will remain as professional as we can regards these three. Suffice to say they are unprofessional and are of no value to Swansea City and the travelling thousands who continue to support our club.  0
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:38 - Jan 24 with 1022 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:45 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
We have now had 3 players refuse to play (reportedly) in 18 months.
When was the last time a Swansea manager had 3 separate players refuse to play?
I can’t think of one.
Those who aren’t willing to see the obvious are only lying to themselves. Blame certainly doesn’t stop at the players in question. Not even close. |
Sorry but it is 100% the blame of the players in question. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:39 - Jan 24 with 1022 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:15 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
And he should look to other previous managers as to how to act professionally.
It works both ways. |
He has three mentors who he is working with. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:41 - Jan 24 with 1012 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:22 - Jan 24 by onehunglow |
Contracts pretty meaningless really as players move when it suits them. Exactly the same with managers
If Martin was to receive a lucrative deal,he will be off breaking his contract in the process . |
Actually his contract has a fee attached to it as all managers do these days, this effectively means he wouldn’t break his contract. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:03 - Jan 24 with 1002 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:45 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
We have now had 3 players refuse to play (reportedly) in 18 months.
When was the last time a Swansea manager had 3 separate players refuse to play?
I can’t think of one.
Those who aren’t willing to see the obvious are only lying to themselves. Blame certainly doesn’t stop at the players in question. Not even close. |
I haven’t heard anything from anyone stating this, and I speak to quite a few people to keep our website up to speed, as do three others. Without them we would be totally uninformed.
As for the manager who has had far more issues than Martin I refer you to Laudrup. Having being given some access to the club when doing a piece for 442 and World Soccer I can tell you Monk, Britton, and three others all downed tools when Laudrup first got appointed. They went to the board and stated his training was pointless. They were told clearly that a man with his credentials and career with over three hundred games for Barca, Real Madrid and Juve possibly knows a tad more than they do.
Albeit for eighteen months he delivered the best times I have seen at Swansea City and some of the best players. Laudrup had revolt after revolt when he was Swansea manager, from the Spanish split in the squad to literally having to separate players from knocking the Shit out of each other. Flores a prime example, I won’t go in to that.
Martin’s management of these three players who wouldn’t get a kick in that side are basic issues many clubs have. He has dealt with it just fine for me, and financially I’m certain there will be some positives in the coming week. And if not then there’s at least two players, I’ll leave Paterson out of this who can either spend the rest of the season doing nothing and still not enjoying their lives or get to work and make a summer move more possible. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:25 - Jan 24 with 979 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:03 - Jan 24 by KeithHaynes |
I haven’t heard anything from anyone stating this, and I speak to quite a few people to keep our website up to speed, as do three others. Without them we would be totally uninformed.
As for the manager who has had far more issues than Martin I refer you to Laudrup. Having being given some access to the club when doing a piece for 442 and World Soccer I can tell you Monk, Britton, and three others all downed tools when Laudrup first got appointed. They went to the board and stated his training was pointless. They were told clearly that a man with his credentials and career with over three hundred games for Barca, Real Madrid and Juve possibly knows a tad more than they do.
Albeit for eighteen months he delivered the best times I have seen at Swansea City and some of the best players. Laudrup had revolt after revolt when he was Swansea manager, from the Spanish split in the squad to literally having to separate players from knocking the Shit out of each other. Flores a prime example, I won’t go in to that.
Martin’s management of these three players who wouldn’t get a kick in that side are basic issues many clubs have. He has dealt with it just fine for me, and financially I’m certain there will be some positives in the coming week. And if not then there’s at least two players, I’ll leave Paterson out of this who can either spend the rest of the season doing nothing and still not enjoying their lives or get to work and make a summer move more possible. |
Good to see a common sense post with facts not nonsense, from someone who is really ITK.
Two much nonsense and innuendo on this site from those determined to knock Martin for things that are beyond his control |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:43 - Jan 24 with 905 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:25 - Jan 24 by STID2017 |
Good to see a common sense post with facts not nonsense, from someone who is really ITK.
Two much nonsense and innuendo on this site from those determined to knock Martin for things that are beyond his control |
The Dr does drill down and posts some genuinely good stuff.
On his day he is a very effective Jon de Guzman.
In fact how … | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:58 - Jan 24 with 857 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:38 - Jan 24 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sorry but it is 100% the blame of the players in question. |
But it isn’t, that’s ludicrous.
You can say you wish to direct 100% of your frustration to them if you like. But regarding the blame share, it’s not really subjective. They all are to blame. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:59 - Jan 24 with 845 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:39 - Jan 24 by KeithHaynes |
He has three mentors who he is working with. |
And still ignores players he doesn’t like.. he needs new ones then maybe. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:59 - Jan 24 with 870 views | vetchonian |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:25 - Jan 24 by STID2017 |
Good to see a common sense post with facts not nonsense, from someone who is really ITK.
Two much nonsense and innuendo on this site from those determined to knock Martin for things that are beyond his control |
everyone knows my opinion and views on Martin and I still dont understand the support he is getting despite our performances and position.
we have had player problems for many years Colin Randell signed under John Bond refused to play for a period but many on here wont remember that
interesting that Laudrup is referred to on this thread and the player revolt....the same player revolt that got h sacked .....after our then erstwhile chairman appointed that great coach Minch to Laudrups back room staff.
the manager who had led is to our first major trophy and a European adventure came under pressure on here as our PL results were poor...yet a manager who.has achieved zilch is still being supported despite no progress in 18 months in post
There is no loyalty with players to clubs and it's made worse with agents.
I'm not defending the trio but look at few things last Season Piroe was a "victim" of the Martin treatment yet bounced back......I d8mt know what is going on but there Re two sides to every story....Obafemi was full of smiles after scoring his goal against Cardiff back in October....I'm sorry but somewhere Martin is a part of this.... what are the issues Doc P has talked about how players are marginalised...Whittzkernis joe getting stick from the fan base ...look at it he knows Martin doesnt want him..he was doing well at Plymouth top of the league likely to get promoted to the championship and he is starting meanwhile he is recalled to us where Martin is on record that he not in his plans and then used as an asset .it potentially sell to a lower potential club Glasgow Rangers or be benched Warmer here if no deal is struck
yes Obafemi has history but I'm sure other managers may have managed the si situation better....fir me Martin has an ego and that is what counts....seen too many managers in my career outside of football fail due to that.
the bigger worry for.meis thewhile club management structure Patos issues seem to stem from the context changes last season there is obviously some discount between Russ and Winter and Jake...obviously so with the Whittaker situation.
It's not all Martin's fault but I'm sorry he does have to take part of the blame...Yes neither Latii or Manning have downed tools but let's remember they are part of Martins favoured onesLati getsnplayes put of position...and gets picked despite T times being awful through mi.fault of his own....by being a round pegs in a square hole....his agent is possibly on his ear telling him he is worth more than we are offering especially givenjos consistent selection.....Manning is just a mercenary....funny really Fultin is receiving "support" from posters given his reaction and treTmentlast season yet last year he received pelters on here and was referred to as jot giod enough......fans eg
at the end of the day things have changed most players care little for the badge....gone are the days where the side has locals or players who cared...... | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 21:05 - Jan 24 with 836 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 15:03 - Jan 24 by KeithHaynes |
I haven’t heard anything from anyone stating this, and I speak to quite a few people to keep our website up to speed, as do three others. Without them we would be totally uninformed.
As for the manager who has had far more issues than Martin I refer you to Laudrup. Having being given some access to the club when doing a piece for 442 and World Soccer I can tell you Monk, Britton, and three others all downed tools when Laudrup first got appointed. They went to the board and stated his training was pointless. They were told clearly that a man with his credentials and career with over three hundred games for Barca, Real Madrid and Juve possibly knows a tad more than they do.
Albeit for eighteen months he delivered the best times I have seen at Swansea City and some of the best players. Laudrup had revolt after revolt when he was Swansea manager, from the Spanish split in the squad to literally having to separate players from knocking the Shit out of each other. Flores a prime example, I won’t go in to that.
Martin’s management of these three players who wouldn’t get a kick in that side are basic issues many clubs have. He has dealt with it just fine for me, and financially I’m certain there will be some positives in the coming week. And if not then there’s at least two players, I’ll leave Paterson out of this who can either spend the rest of the season doing nothing and still not enjoying their lives or get to work and make a summer move more possible. |
Nobody refused to play under Laudrup as far as I’m aware.
That was the Garry Monk led revolution as he wanted to be the manager and was annoyed that he was an aging player that couldn’t get game time. Much of it was player vs player in a fractioned group. It was due to one continuous issue rather than continued managerial mishandling of players.
But 3 separate players refusing to play in 3 separate incidents and time periods is unheard of. When patterns emerge then you have to look far deeper than the reactions, you have to look at the causes too.
From what I’ve been told it’s perfectly understandable, not advisable and not to be condoned, but it’s understandable. Martin needs to man manage far better which would avoid it all. The way he treats players he doesn’t like is unacceptable. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:40 - Jan 25 with 784 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:58 - Jan 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
But it isn’t, that’s ludicrous.
You can say you wish to direct 100% of your frustration to them if you like. But regarding the blame share, it’s not really subjective. They all are to blame. |
An individual is in complete control of their own choices. If they choose to take this action it is completely on them. They can have agents chirping in their ears or family members and it may be true they don’t like their boss etc but the choice to act like petulant little children is all them.
If obafemi and Whittaker were to knuckle down, play good games and score a few goals in the second half of the season both would end up having far better options than Burnley or Rangers. They obviously aren’t seeing the big picture. Because they are thick. Thick, unprofessional and childish. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:07 - Jan 25 with 772 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:59 - Jan 24 by vetchonian |
everyone knows my opinion and views on Martin and I still dont understand the support he is getting despite our performances and position.
we have had player problems for many years Colin Randell signed under John Bond refused to play for a period but many on here wont remember that
interesting that Laudrup is referred to on this thread and the player revolt....the same player revolt that got h sacked .....after our then erstwhile chairman appointed that great coach Minch to Laudrups back room staff.
the manager who had led is to our first major trophy and a European adventure came under pressure on here as our PL results were poor...yet a manager who.has achieved zilch is still being supported despite no progress in 18 months in post
There is no loyalty with players to clubs and it's made worse with agents.
I'm not defending the trio but look at few things last Season Piroe was a "victim" of the Martin treatment yet bounced back......I d8mt know what is going on but there Re two sides to every story....Obafemi was full of smiles after scoring his goal against Cardiff back in October....I'm sorry but somewhere Martin is a part of this.... what are the issues Doc P has talked about how players are marginalised...Whittzkernis joe getting stick from the fan base ...look at it he knows Martin doesnt want him..he was doing well at Plymouth top of the league likely to get promoted to the championship and he is starting meanwhile he is recalled to us where Martin is on record that he not in his plans and then used as an asset .it potentially sell to a lower potential club Glasgow Rangers or be benched Warmer here if no deal is struck
yes Obafemi has history but I'm sure other managers may have managed the si situation better....fir me Martin has an ego and that is what counts....seen too many managers in my career outside of football fail due to that.
the bigger worry for.meis thewhile club management structure Patos issues seem to stem from the context changes last season there is obviously some discount between Russ and Winter and Jake...obviously so with the Whittaker situation.
It's not all Martin's fault but I'm sorry he does have to take part of the blame...Yes neither Latii or Manning have downed tools but let's remember they are part of Martins favoured onesLati getsnplayes put of position...and gets picked despite T times being awful through mi.fault of his own....by being a round pegs in a square hole....his agent is possibly on his ear telling him he is worth more than we are offering especially givenjos consistent selection.....Manning is just a mercenary....funny really Fultin is receiving "support" from posters given his reaction and treTmentlast season yet last year he received pelters on here and was referred to as jot giod enough......fans eg
at the end of the day things have changed most players care little for the badge....gone are the days where the side has locals or players who cared...... |
Not again.
This ship has sailed away.
It is better not to criticise Russell .
Clearly | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:11 - Jan 25 with 771 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:59 - Jan 24 by vetchonian |
everyone knows my opinion and views on Martin and I still dont understand the support he is getting despite our performances and position.
we have had player problems for many years Colin Randell signed under John Bond refused to play for a period but many on here wont remember that
interesting that Laudrup is referred to on this thread and the player revolt....the same player revolt that got h sacked .....after our then erstwhile chairman appointed that great coach Minch to Laudrups back room staff.
the manager who had led is to our first major trophy and a European adventure came under pressure on here as our PL results were poor...yet a manager who.has achieved zilch is still being supported despite no progress in 18 months in post
There is no loyalty with players to clubs and it's made worse with agents.
I'm not defending the trio but look at few things last Season Piroe was a "victim" of the Martin treatment yet bounced back......I d8mt know what is going on but there Re two sides to every story....Obafemi was full of smiles after scoring his goal against Cardiff back in October....I'm sorry but somewhere Martin is a part of this.... what are the issues Doc P has talked about how players are marginalised...Whittzkernis joe getting stick from the fan base ...look at it he knows Martin doesnt want him..he was doing well at Plymouth top of the league likely to get promoted to the championship and he is starting meanwhile he is recalled to us where Martin is on record that he not in his plans and then used as an asset .it potentially sell to a lower potential club Glasgow Rangers or be benched Warmer here if no deal is struck
yes Obafemi has history but I'm sure other managers may have managed the si situation better....fir me Martin has an ego and that is what counts....seen too many managers in my career outside of football fail due to that.
the bigger worry for.meis thewhile club management structure Patos issues seem to stem from the context changes last season there is obviously some discount between Russ and Winter and Jake...obviously so with the Whittaker situation.
It's not all Martin's fault but I'm sorry he does have to take part of the blame...Yes neither Latii or Manning have downed tools but let's remember they are part of Martins favoured onesLati getsnplayes put of position...and gets picked despite T times being awful through mi.fault of his own....by being a round pegs in a square hole....his agent is possibly on his ear telling him he is worth more than we are offering especially givenjos consistent selection.....Manning is just a mercenary....funny really Fultin is receiving "support" from posters given his reaction and treTmentlast season yet last year he received pelters on here and was referred to as jot giod enough......fans eg
at the end of the day things have changed most players care little for the badge....gone are the days where the side has locals or players who cared...... |
Your penultimate paragraph on Fulton indicate# how football makes chumps out of us all. A player told not good enough after just a month who is now second name on team sheet.
Amazing really .
Shows how what looks like dumbarse opinions come back to bite | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:52 - Jan 25 with 739 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:40 - Jan 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
An individual is in complete control of their own choices. If they choose to take this action it is completely on them. They can have agents chirping in their ears or family members and it may be true they don’t like their boss etc but the choice to act like petulant little children is all them.
If obafemi and Whittaker were to knuckle down, play good games and score a few goals in the second half of the season both would end up having far better options than Burnley or Rangers. They obviously aren’t seeing the big picture. Because they are thick. Thick, unprofessional and childish. |
Of course, but it’s completely avoidable.
If you poke a known angry man with a stick and he attacks you, while yes the attacker is in the wrong but it’s completely avoidable and your behaviour is the instigating factor behind it.
The manager Is the only one who’s job it is to manage this squad and the personalities within it. It’s literally his job description. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:27 - Jan 25 with 745 views | pete |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:52 - Jan 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course, but it’s completely avoidable.
If you poke a known angry man with a stick and he attacks you, while yes the attacker is in the wrong but it’s completely avoidable and your behaviour is the instigating factor behind it.
The manager Is the only one who’s job it is to manage this squad and the personalities within it. It’s literally his job description. |
i think his R M is head coach, and its the C E O or his staff who is looking after the players could be wrong of course | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 12:32 - Jan 25 with 693 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:27 - Jan 25 by pete |
i think his R M is head coach, and its the C E O or his staff who is looking after the players could be wrong of course |
The CEO has nothing to do with the squad.
The manager is called the manager because he is supposed to manage the squad.
Part of his skillset is supposed to be “man management”.
It’s something he appears incapable of, hence so many conflicts and players refusing to play.
So again, whilst they are in the wrong for doing that. Be needs to recognise the behaviours within him that is causing these players to react that way. This is the industry he is in and he has to adapt or fail.
Currently he is failing, as our average position of 14th since his arrival will attest. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:05 - Jan 25 with 665 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:52 - Jan 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course, but it’s completely avoidable.
If you poke a known angry man with a stick and he attacks you, while yes the attacker is in the wrong but it’s completely avoidable and your behaviour is the instigating factor behind it.
The manager Is the only one who’s job it is to manage this squad and the personalities within it. It’s literally his job description. |
Some people are unmanageable. You can be the best man manager in the world but if you’re dealing with some idiot who doesn’t care you got no chance. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:50 - Jan 25 with 629 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:05 - Jan 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Some people are unmanageable. You can be the best man manager in the world but if you’re dealing with some idiot who doesn’t care you got no chance. |
Exactly Joe | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:56 - Jan 25 with 603 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:05 - Jan 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Some people are unmanageable. You can be the best man manager in the world but if you’re dealing with some idiot who doesn’t care you got no chance. |
…. and we just so happen to have several at one time?
Seems highly improbable.
Dyer was seen as an issue at Southampton, we sorted him with correct man management and guidance.
I would happily bet that no other club will ever have an issue with Whittaker, and I’d probably bet that Obafemi and Pato won’t refuse to play for their next manager either.
Would anyone take me up on that?
I doubt it. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:20 - Jan 25 with 556 views | swan_si |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:11 - Jan 25 by onehunglow |
Your penultimate paragraph on Fulton indicate# how football makes chumps out of us all. A player told not good enough after just a month who is now second name on team sheet.
Amazing really .
Shows how what looks like dumbarse opinions come back to bite |
Was Fulton told " he was not good enough " ? If so, by who ?
The way I understood it was we were trying to get all the big earners of the books, Fulton being one of them was apparently told to find another club, I can't recall reading anywhere that he wasn't good enough, maybe you could point me in the right direction. |  | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:24 - Jan 25 with 549 views | Whiterockin |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:20 - Jan 25 by swan_si |
Was Fulton told " he was not good enough " ? If so, by who ?
The way I understood it was we were trying to get all the big earners of the books, Fulton being one of them was apparently told to find another club, I can't recall reading anywhere that he wasn't good enough, maybe you could point me in the right direction. |
That's exactly how I remember it. |  | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:25 - Jan 25 with 539 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:20 - Jan 25 by swan_si |
Was Fulton told " he was not good enough " ? If so, by who ?
The way I understood it was we were trying to get all the big earners of the books, Fulton being one of them was apparently told to find another club, I can't recall reading anywhere that he wasn't good enough, maybe you could point me in the right direction. |
Fulton was never told he want good enough a perusal of our reports of the time prove an accurate assessment. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:42 - Jan 25 with 497 views | swan_si |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:25 - Jan 25 by KeithHaynes |
Fulton was never told he want good enough a perusal of our reports of the time prove an accurate assessment. |
So its basically opinion reported as fact then.  | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:45 - Jan 25 with 484 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:42 - Jan 25 by swan_si |
So its basically opinion reported as fact then. |
The manager is quoted as stating he is free to find another club.
Then when he refused to move he faced Southampton in the FA Cup.
As we know two came in but Fulton turned them down.
Or he would have gone. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:47 - Jan 25 with 483 views | Whiterockin |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:42 - Jan 25 by swan_si |
So its basically opinion reported as fact then. |
More like a stick to beat the manager even if its incorrect. But don't let facts get in the way of obsession. | | | |
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