| van der Hoorn 00:44 - Mar 1 with 4309 views | Kerouac |
...is now our best defender by a mile.
£2m? What a bargain!
If we can get £25m for Mawson DO IT.
He is a good lad but nowhere near as good as van der Hoorn.
The one who needs replacing (has done for about 3 f*cking years) is Kyle Bartley, use the profit from Mawson to get another HG centre-half (from the Championship) and a winger/no.10...then flog Bartley and invest in a young 4th choice centre-half with potential...and we will have improved our team...of course in reality they would trouser the cash, but I can but hope. |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 00:49 - Mar 1 with 3912 views | Loyal |
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| van der Hoorn on 02:38 - Mar 1 with 3836 views | Dyfnant |
Bartley’s out of contract in the summer isn’t he. |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 05:26 - Mar 1 with 3775 views | icecoldjack |
If Bartley is out of contract in the summer then it's nothing short of negligence by our board ! we all know Bartley is capable in the championship at the very least so it makes no sense for him to walk away for free when it's an easy £5m if we wanted to sell.
Money is slipping through the clubs fingers on so many levels, it's shambolic . |  | | |
| van der Hoorn on 06:37 - Mar 1 with 3723 views | Dr_Winston |
Bartley signed a nice four year contract at the start of the season.
We've got four decent central defenders. In an ideal world maybe we'd look at signing one who doesn't look as terrified in possession as Fernandez does but it's a fairly low priority at the moment. |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 08:03 - Mar 1 with 3586 views | karnataka |
As I said in an earlier thread: vdH has come on a bundle under Carlos but still appears to be 3rd in the pecking order behind FF & AM as he always seems to be the one sacrificed if we go to a back 4 but he does seem to be a more robust and uncompromising defender than either of the other 2 when it's needed and is less inclined to faff about. |  | | |
| van der Hoorn on 08:05 - Mar 1 with 3581 views | Neath_Jack |
F*ck me, it wasn't long ago that the brains trust on here were classing VDH as worse than Bartley.
Nowt as fickle as football fans aye. |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 08:08 - Mar 1 with 3569 views | Swanjaxs |
| van der Hoorn on 08:03 - Mar 1 by karnataka |
As I said in an earlier thread: vdH has come on a bundle under Carlos but still appears to be 3rd in the pecking order behind FF & AM as he always seems to be the one sacrificed if we go to a back 4 but he does seem to be a more robust and uncompromising defender than either of the other 2 when it's needed and is less inclined to faff about. |
I said earlier in the season when VDH was taken off at half time home to Watford when Clement went to a flat back four we'd taken off the wrong centre half, same happened at Brighton.... |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 08:09 - Mar 1 with 3567 views | Whiterockin |
| van der Hoorn on 08:03 - Mar 1 by karnataka |
As I said in an earlier thread: vdH has come on a bundle under Carlos but still appears to be 3rd in the pecking order behind FF & AM as he always seems to be the one sacrificed if we go to a back 4 but he does seem to be a more robust and uncompromising defender than either of the other 2 when it's needed and is less inclined to faff about. |
If we play a back four Mawson should never play. He is fine when we play 3 central defenders but poor when we play 2. Saturday was a typical example when we changed the system. |  | | |
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| van der Hoorn on 08:21 - Mar 1 with 3545 views | builthjack |
| van der Hoorn on 08:09 - Mar 1 by Whiterockin |
If we play a back four Mawson should never play. He is fine when we play 3 central defenders but poor when we play 2. Saturday was a typical example when we changed the system. |
Spot on |  |
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| van der Hoorn on 08:24 - Mar 1 with 3541 views | nantywatcher |
Daft OP!
VdH has a great attitude, but he is the weakest of good back four choice. We definitely need to hang on to Bartley, after a long injury and limited chances to play he's looking good. At times his distribution is sublime; more game time will only improve him (also he is the most natural leader in the squad.) |  | | |
| van der Hoorn on 09:20 - Mar 1 with 3448 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| van der Hoorn on 08:24 - Mar 1 by nantywatcher |
Daft OP!
VdH has a great attitude, but he is the weakest of good back four choice. We definitely need to hang on to Bartley, after a long injury and limited chances to play he's looking good. At times his distribution is sublime; more game time will only improve him (also he is the most natural leader in the squad.) |
Definitely not.
FF is the weakest in tackles and distribution.
None of them is perfect and have different strengths and weaknesses, but usually make a good team.
But not when their confidence goes like under Bradley.
The bigger weakness defensively is in the middle, which puts more load on them. [Post edited 1 Mar 2018 9:21]
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| van der Hoorn on 09:52 - Mar 1 with 3387 views | Kerouac |
| van der Hoorn on 08:24 - Mar 1 by nantywatcher |
Daft OP!
VdH has a great attitude, but he is the weakest of good back four choice. We definitely need to hang on to Bartley, after a long injury and limited chances to play he's looking good. At times his distribution is sublime; more game time will only improve him (also he is the most natural leader in the squad.) |
I don't know what game you are watching but van der Hoorn is the best of the centre-backs in terms of who can play from the back.
Bartley is a liability bringing the ball forward.
Fernandez can't pass.
Mawson can pick a pass but makes some dodgy decisions.
van der Hoorn is also the most intelligent of the defenders, which is why he always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He reads the game.
He also doesn't f*ck about. When he makes a decision he sees the thing through, no nonsense.
I liked him from the start but admit he had a dodgy spell when he was in and out of the team, he made some errors.
The more he plays though the better he gets.
He would be first name on the team sheet for me right now. | |
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| van der Hoorn on 10:11 - Mar 1 with 3353 views | whiterock |
| van der Hoorn on 09:52 - Mar 1 by Kerouac |
I don't know what game you are watching but van der Hoorn is the best of the centre-backs in terms of who can play from the back.
Bartley is a liability bringing the ball forward.
Fernandez can't pass.
Mawson can pick a pass but makes some dodgy decisions.
van der Hoorn is also the most intelligent of the defenders, which is why he always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He reads the game.
He also doesn't f*ck about. When he makes a decision he sees the thing through, no nonsense.
I liked him from the start but admit he had a dodgy spell when he was in and out of the team, he made some errors.
The more he plays though the better he gets.
He would be first name on the team sheet for me right now. |
I like Mickey the Clog for his no nonsense style, row Z if in any doubt but that is not the Swansea way, we like to play it out from the back and Mawson is the only one that doesn't look flustered. Ash in his pomp was similar | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 10:21 - Mar 1 with 3336 views | felixstowe_jack |
Apart from his two mistakes for the critical first goal against Brighton. He opted to let the ball bounce in front of him instead of just making a headed clearance. Then he let the ball run to the Brighton player and needlessly fouled him to give away a penalty. | |
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| van der Hoorn on 11:05 - Mar 1 with 3279 views | pencoedjack |
| van der Hoorn on 06:37 - Mar 1 by Dr_Winston |
Bartley signed a nice four year contract at the start of the season.
We've got four decent central defenders. In an ideal world maybe we'd look at signing one who doesn't look as terrified in possession as Fernandez does but it's a fairly low priority at the moment. |
Still getting the digs in about Fede I see |  | | |
| van der Hoorn on 11:14 - Mar 1 with 3262 views | jasper_T |
We bought Cian Harries as the "young centre half with potential" last summer. | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 11:40 - Mar 1 with 3223 views | Dyfnant |
All of our central defenders were destroyed by Bob Bradley. All except FF have very limited top level experience. The least useful is Bartley, born out by his lack of use by sucessive managers. He has as least stopped jumping into challenges as much but has proven ineffective from an offensive point of view at this level.
I’ll still be happy with Amat back provided he eases off a little with the man handling now VAR’s coming. This would also help balance the squad with a back up left sided centre back.
If an English premium bid comes for Bartley he should move on | |
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| van der Hoorn on 11:45 - Mar 1 with 3214 views | TheKirkyLife |
| van der Hoorn on 11:40 - Mar 1 by Dyfnant |
All of our central defenders were destroyed by Bob Bradley. All except FF have very limited top level experience. The least useful is Bartley, born out by his lack of use by sucessive managers. He has as least stopped jumping into challenges as much but has proven ineffective from an offensive point of view at this level.
I’ll still be happy with Amat back provided he eases off a little with the man handling now VAR’s coming. This would also help balance the squad with a back up left sided centre back.
If an English premium bid comes for Bartley he should move on |
Good news about Amat as well is that Betis has sort of turned him into an Eric Dier type - he's consistently utilised as either a CB or CDM which would offer us another flexible player on top of Clucas and A. Ayew.
Would not be surprised to see all five CBs stay with us into 2019 if we stay in the league. |  | | |
| van der Hoorn on 12:00 - Mar 1 with 3182 views | Whiterockin |
| van der Hoorn on 11:45 - Mar 1 by TheKirkyLife |
Good news about Amat as well is that Betis has sort of turned him into an Eric Dier type - he's consistently utilised as either a CB or CDM which would offer us another flexible player on top of Clucas and A. Ayew.
Would not be surprised to see all five CBs stay with us into 2019 if we stay in the league. |
Amat has played CDM a couple of time for us if I remember correctly. | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 12:39 - Mar 1 with 3090 views | BarrySwan |
If VdHorn is our best defender then we're already down.
I don't even consider him to be premier standard. | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 17:39 - Mar 1 with 2800 views | Al_Bundy |
We have 4 very average defenders at CB with Bartley being the worst of the 4 | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 18:22 - Mar 1 with 2755 views | nantywatcher |
| van der Hoorn on 17:39 - Mar 1 by Al_Bundy |
We have 4 very average defenders at CB with Bartley being the worst of the 4 |
Ever consider changing your user name to Al Numpty? | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 18:28 - Mar 1 with 2740 views | perplex |
| van der Hoorn on 08:05 - Mar 1 by Neath_Jack |
F*ck me, it wasn't long ago that the brains trust on here were classing VDH as worse than Bartley.
Nowt as fickle as football fans aye. |
He was, but he`s improved drastically play fair to him.. | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 19:14 - Mar 1 with 2692 views | Jango |
| van der Hoorn on 11:45 - Mar 1 by TheKirkyLife |
Good news about Amat as well is that Betis has sort of turned him into an Eric Dier type - he's consistently utilised as either a CB or CDM which would offer us another flexible player on top of Clucas and A. Ayew.
Would not be surprised to see all five CBs stay with us into 2019 if we stay in the league. |
Amat is an absolutely horrific centre half at this level. | | | |
| van der Hoorn on 19:22 - Mar 1 with 2677 views | Neath_Jack |
| van der Hoorn on 18:28 - Mar 1 by perplex |
He was, but he`s improved drastically play fair to him.. |
No he wasn't, he really, really wasn't.
Bartley isn't as bad as people make out either. Especially as a fourth choice defender. | |
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