| Keir Starmer loses ground... 08:58 - Aug 20 with 3835 views | Kerouac |
...in the 'Savanta ComRes survey' Boris Johnson has extended his lead on Starmer by 4 points.
Why do you think this is?
Do you take polls seriously?
What is Keir getting wrong? |  |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:03 - Aug 20 with 1895 views | Best_loser |
It's so far from an election nobody cares |  | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:17 - Aug 20 with 1875 views | felixstowe_jack |
Well starmer has done nothing but critise without offering any constructive ideas. I notice he has no criticised any of the Welsh Assembly actions even though they have just followed the UK lead just twoor three weeks later. |  |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:20 - Aug 20 with 1876 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:17 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Well starmer has done nothing but critise without offering any constructive ideas. I notice he has no criticised any of the Welsh Assembly actions even though they have just followed the UK lead just twoor three weeks later. |
I reckon you’re pretty close to the mark with this.
It also doesn’t help that there’s so few options to talk about/challenge at the moment. It’s been all Covid with the exam stuff thrown in this week (and Johnson has been AWOL through this) | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 10:16 - Aug 20 with 1850 views | Highjack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:17 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Well starmer has done nothing but critise without offering any constructive ideas. I notice he has no criticised any of the Welsh Assembly actions even though they have just followed the UK lead just twoor three weeks later. |
It also doesn’t help that he’s literally the most boring human being on the planet. |  |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 10:45 - Aug 20 with 1833 views | Dr_Winston |
Starmer's still got enough battles to fight in his own party at the moment before he can worry about Johnson. Momentum haven't gone away. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 12:48 - Aug 20 with 1791 views | BillyChong |
How are the Tories polling anything above 0% given the last few months? People are mental | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 13:27 - Aug 20 with 1775 views | Highjack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 10:16 - Aug 20 by Highjack |
It also doesn’t help that he’s literally the most boring human being on the planet. |
Apart from Mart obviously.  | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:27 - Aug 20 with 1727 views | sP7qupUf |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:17 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Well starmer has done nothing but critise without offering any constructive ideas. I notice he has no criticised any of the Welsh Assembly actions even though they have just followed the UK lead just twoor three weeks later. |
He is playing a blinder. There is a long way to go before the next election.
He is concentrating getting his own house in order first. This is a priority. The Momentum power base is being eroded with the removal of central party officials, Long Bailey etc. Red Len is on the way out and it looks like a more moderate successor is n the way in. The anti Semitic issue is being addressed. These are key in building a strong opposition. This is being reinforced with a better shadow team.Corbyn's lot were just awful.
With regard to plans. He is doing the right thing. He is critical of the government when needed but does support certain policies in principle e.g. return to schools, development of track and trace etc. The fact that the government have been hopeless in carrying them out allows him the luxury of being able to criticise and question decisions in the national interest. That is what a good opposition does. It is important to hold any government to account, especially this lot who are shady as hell. Look at the lies throughout the C-19 crisis, the Cummings affair, Jenrick and planning, the Russian report, giving untended contracts out to mates of Gove and Cummmings, the attempt to appoint Grayling, getting rid of PHE before an independent inquiry and relating it with a body led by a Tory peer who has made a hash of track and trace, not taking the Whip from an MP accused of rape and...now the exam fiasco. Johnson evades answering questions,blusters, misleads the house, lies and goes missing. This government is rotten to the core and Starmer is right to go for them.
The Tories are frightened of him. The greatest compliment that they are paying him is silence. They cannot lay a glove on him. He has no baggage. The business touted over child protection is not true. If it were they would be all over it like a rash. The couple of ladies who tried to smear him were shot down in flames by the Tory Chief Whip as they were wrong. I would say that he is being very astute. The government are struggling. He is willing to support doing the right things in the nation's interest. The government are just getting it all horribly wrong and he is pointing it out. Now is not the time for him to put his own policies forward as there is a national crisis to deal with. Putting policies forward at this point would potentially give Johnson and Cummings ammunition to have a go at him and detract from their failures. Why on earth would Starmer want to do that? as I said, at the moment they cannot touch him. | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:47 - Aug 20 with 1708 views | Highjack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:27 - Aug 20 by sP7qupUf |
He is playing a blinder. There is a long way to go before the next election.
He is concentrating getting his own house in order first. This is a priority. The Momentum power base is being eroded with the removal of central party officials, Long Bailey etc. Red Len is on the way out and it looks like a more moderate successor is n the way in. The anti Semitic issue is being addressed. These are key in building a strong opposition. This is being reinforced with a better shadow team.Corbyn's lot were just awful.
With regard to plans. He is doing the right thing. He is critical of the government when needed but does support certain policies in principle e.g. return to schools, development of track and trace etc. The fact that the government have been hopeless in carrying them out allows him the luxury of being able to criticise and question decisions in the national interest. That is what a good opposition does. It is important to hold any government to account, especially this lot who are shady as hell. Look at the lies throughout the C-19 crisis, the Cummings affair, Jenrick and planning, the Russian report, giving untended contracts out to mates of Gove and Cummmings, the attempt to appoint Grayling, getting rid of PHE before an independent inquiry and relating it with a body led by a Tory peer who has made a hash of track and trace, not taking the Whip from an MP accused of rape and...now the exam fiasco. Johnson evades answering questions,blusters, misleads the house, lies and goes missing. This government is rotten to the core and Starmer is right to go for them.
The Tories are frightened of him. The greatest compliment that they are paying him is silence. They cannot lay a glove on him. He has no baggage. The business touted over child protection is not true. If it were they would be all over it like a rash. The couple of ladies who tried to smear him were shot down in flames by the Tory Chief Whip as they were wrong. I would say that he is being very astute. The government are struggling. He is willing to support doing the right things in the nation's interest. The government are just getting it all horribly wrong and he is pointing it out. Now is not the time for him to put his own policies forward as there is a national crisis to deal with. Putting policies forward at this point would potentially give Johnson and Cummings ammunition to have a go at him and detract from their failures. Why on earth would Starmer want to do that? as I said, at the moment they cannot touch him. |
As you said there’s a long way to the next election, they don’t need to touch him.
He can’t lay a glove on the Tories either. They’ve got a massive majority thanks in part to our stupid outdated electoral system, they can do what they want. | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:48 - Aug 20 with 1708 views | Catullus |
Maybe Starmer is busy with the ongoing civil war in Labour. The Corbynites are not going quietly.
I don't give too much credence to the polls,
I don't think Starmer is getting much wrong there's judt not very much for him to call Bojo out on. People are fed up of hearing about Covid so apart from the exams fiasco he hasn't got many bullets to fire. It even seems he hasn't got much to say about Brexit any more. | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:54 - Aug 20 with 1702 views | Highjack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:48 - Aug 20 by Catullus |
Maybe Starmer is busy with the ongoing civil war in Labour. The Corbynites are not going quietly.
I don't give too much credence to the polls,
I don't think Starmer is getting much wrong there's judt not very much for him to call Bojo out on. People are fed up of hearing about Covid so apart from the exams fiasco he hasn't got many bullets to fire. It even seems he hasn't got much to say about Brexit any more. |
He’s deliberately trying to distance himself from the Brexit issue I think. A wise strategy. He completely cocked up Labour’s Brexit policy when he was Shadow Brexit minister but he’s got away with it because everyone is blaming Jezza. | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:01 - Aug 20 with 1688 views | waynekerr55 |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:54 - Aug 20 by Highjack |
He’s deliberately trying to distance himself from the Brexit issue I think. A wise strategy. He completely cocked up Labour’s Brexit policy when he was Shadow Brexit minister but he’s got away with it because everyone is blaming Jezza. |
Well given that Jezza was the leader and he ultimately signed it off... |  |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:04 - Aug 20 with 1687 views | Highjack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:01 - Aug 20 by waynekerr55 |
Well given that Jezza was the leader and he ultimately signed it off... |
In his (and sir keir’s) defence a lot of the policy is set by the NEC and the conference. So blame Eddie Izzard. | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:18 - Aug 20 with 1675 views | Nortbankboy |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:48 - Aug 20 by Catullus |
Maybe Starmer is busy with the ongoing civil war in Labour. The Corbynites are not going quietly.
I don't give too much credence to the polls,
I don't think Starmer is getting much wrong there's judt not very much for him to call Bojo out on. People are fed up of hearing about Covid so apart from the exams fiasco he hasn't got many bullets to fire. It even seems he hasn't got much to say about Brexit any more. |
Are u real?not much to call the liar out on!
Feck me he's disappeared again.
When anything goes wrong he goes missing.
He's no Winston Churchill | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:56 - Aug 20 with 1660 views | majorraglan |
I am pretty surprised by it.
Boris is copping it from a lot of different directions, reading the Express and DM the Tory supporters on there are questioning his governance. When Covid first kicked off he seemed quite plausible and things seemed to be going ok, but as it’s gone on the shortcomings have been exposed, failed to go to COBRA meetings, testing, tracing App, lockdown too late, Cummings, track and test, purchase of defective PPE, new arrival quarantines 3 months late, Air bridges and now we have the the A level and GCSE fiascos complete with U turn.
These are also the people we have trusted to negotiate our Brexit Deal FFS. And the $64m question is where is he now! | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:02 - Aug 20 with 1652 views | Professor |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:56 - Aug 20 by majorraglan |
I am pretty surprised by it.
Boris is copping it from a lot of different directions, reading the Express and DM the Tory supporters on there are questioning his governance. When Covid first kicked off he seemed quite plausible and things seemed to be going ok, but as it’s gone on the shortcomings have been exposed, failed to go to COBRA meetings, testing, tracing App, lockdown too late, Cummings, track and test, purchase of defective PPE, new arrival quarantines 3 months late, Air bridges and now we have the the A level and GCSE fiascos complete with U turn.
These are also the people we have trusted to negotiate our Brexit Deal FFS. And the $64m question is where is he now! |
One poll Major- the YouGov one has a gap of 2% with a conservative fall of 4%. Also Starmer regarded as more competent. Read what you want into either. | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:05 - Aug 20 with 1648 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:56 - Aug 20 by majorraglan |
I am pretty surprised by it.
Boris is copping it from a lot of different directions, reading the Express and DM the Tory supporters on there are questioning his governance. When Covid first kicked off he seemed quite plausible and things seemed to be going ok, but as it’s gone on the shortcomings have been exposed, failed to go to COBRA meetings, testing, tracing App, lockdown too late, Cummings, track and test, purchase of defective PPE, new arrival quarantines 3 months late, Air bridges and now we have the the A level and GCSE fiascos complete with U turn.
These are also the people we have trusted to negotiate our Brexit Deal FFS. And the $64m question is where is he now! |
The overall picture is more relevant than one poll. In March and April the average Tory lead over around 16 polls was 21.5%.
In August over 6 polls it's 6%.
People accept that Covid has meant unprecedented difficulties for all governments everywhere on the planet. It will be a long time before anyone can say with any degree of certainty how well or how badly any government has done. |  |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:38 - Aug 20 with 1629 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:18 - Aug 20 by Nortbankboy |
Are u real?not much to call the liar out on!
Feck me he's disappeared again.
When anything goes wrong he goes missing.
He's no Winston Churchill |
Boris is on holiday in Scotland no doubt in contact with anyone who needs to get in touch.
The teachers have been on holiday since March. | |
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| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:41 - Aug 20 with 1626 views | Humpty |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 19:56 - Aug 20 by majorraglan |
I am pretty surprised by it.
Boris is copping it from a lot of different directions, reading the Express and DM the Tory supporters on there are questioning his governance. When Covid first kicked off he seemed quite plausible and things seemed to be going ok, but as it’s gone on the shortcomings have been exposed, failed to go to COBRA meetings, testing, tracing App, lockdown too late, Cummings, track and test, purchase of defective PPE, new arrival quarantines 3 months late, Air bridges and now we have the the A level and GCSE fiascos complete with U turn.
These are also the people we have trusted to negotiate our Brexit Deal FFS. And the $64m question is where is he now! |
I just checked my fridge. He's not in there. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:42 - Aug 20 with 1622 views | Humpty |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:27 - Aug 20 by sP7qupUf |
He is playing a blinder. There is a long way to go before the next election.
He is concentrating getting his own house in order first. This is a priority. The Momentum power base is being eroded with the removal of central party officials, Long Bailey etc. Red Len is on the way out and it looks like a more moderate successor is n the way in. The anti Semitic issue is being addressed. These are key in building a strong opposition. This is being reinforced with a better shadow team.Corbyn's lot were just awful.
With regard to plans. He is doing the right thing. He is critical of the government when needed but does support certain policies in principle e.g. return to schools, development of track and trace etc. The fact that the government have been hopeless in carrying them out allows him the luxury of being able to criticise and question decisions in the national interest. That is what a good opposition does. It is important to hold any government to account, especially this lot who are shady as hell. Look at the lies throughout the C-19 crisis, the Cummings affair, Jenrick and planning, the Russian report, giving untended contracts out to mates of Gove and Cummmings, the attempt to appoint Grayling, getting rid of PHE before an independent inquiry and relating it with a body led by a Tory peer who has made a hash of track and trace, not taking the Whip from an MP accused of rape and...now the exam fiasco. Johnson evades answering questions,blusters, misleads the house, lies and goes missing. This government is rotten to the core and Starmer is right to go for them.
The Tories are frightened of him. The greatest compliment that they are paying him is silence. They cannot lay a glove on him. He has no baggage. The business touted over child protection is not true. If it were they would be all over it like a rash. The couple of ladies who tried to smear him were shot down in flames by the Tory Chief Whip as they were wrong. I would say that he is being very astute. The government are struggling. He is willing to support doing the right things in the nation's interest. The government are just getting it all horribly wrong and he is pointing it out. Now is not the time for him to put his own policies forward as there is a national crisis to deal with. Putting policies forward at this point would potentially give Johnson and Cummings ammunition to have a go at him and detract from their failures. Why on earth would Starmer want to do that? as I said, at the moment they cannot touch him. |
Excellent summary of this governments time in office. | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:43 - Aug 20 with 1618 views | Humpty |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 17:48 - Aug 20 by Catullus |
Maybe Starmer is busy with the ongoing civil war in Labour. The Corbynites are not going quietly.
I don't give too much credence to the polls,
I don't think Starmer is getting much wrong there's judt not very much for him to call Bojo out on. People are fed up of hearing about Covid so apart from the exams fiasco he hasn't got many bullets to fire. It even seems he hasn't got much to say about Brexit any more. |
Not much to call him out on? Really? | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 21:49 - Aug 20 with 1594 views | BillyChong |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:38 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Boris is on holiday in Scotland no doubt in contact with anyone who needs to get in touch.
The teachers have been on holiday since March. |
It takes some doing to stick up for Boris Johnson whilst having a pop at teachers | | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 21:57 - Aug 20 with 1585 views | LeonWasGod |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:17 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Well starmer has done nothing but critise without offering any constructive ideas. I notice he has no criticised any of the Welsh Assembly actions even though they have just followed the UK lead just twoor three weeks later. |
The opposition aren't opposing are they? Whatever next 
I know people aren't used to this happening, as Corbyn used PMQs to read out love letters, but Starmer seems to be doing exactly what he needs to be at the moment. He doesn't have to come up with ideas (at least not publically and not until invited properly) - he needs to be asking the Government to justify what they are doing and call them out when they fail. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 09:50 - Aug 21 with 1531 views | waynekerr55 |
| Keir Starmer loses ground... on 20:38 - Aug 20 by felixstowe_jack |
Boris is on holiday in Scotland no doubt in contact with anyone who needs to get in touch.
The teachers have been on holiday since March. |
No. They. Haven't. | |
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