| I have to show respect. 13:55 - Sep 13 with 3390 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
British football is getting increasing political and forcing fans to "show respect" for all sorts of things. The list is getting bigger and the commitment required is increasing.
- i lost £150 going to Birmingham "showing respect" MANDATORY
- I have to "show respect" to fallen soldiers every November 11 for about two week. MANDATORY
- I have to "show respect" the GSTK. If I did not would most likely be punched. MANDATORY
- I have to respect "taking the knee along with a black fist salute". I not know what it is about but I have to show respect apparently. It was originally related to the murder of a criminal junkie somewhere in the USA MANDATORY.
I was given abuse by my Welsh nationalist mate at the Millenium stadium "giving respect"
when Princess Margaret died. I had no respect for her at all.
This is football no place for respect. That is why I am £150 out of pocket.
I wear a poppy myself on occasions and donate but it is not mandatory outside football and sport. I could of course chose not to go.
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| I have to show respect. on 14:05 - Sep 13 with 1749 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most of those things are not mandatory. You don’t have to sing GSTK, you don’t have to take a knee, you don’t have to wear a poppy. But the respect is towards those who do choose to do so out of decency. |  |
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| I have to show respect. on 14:06 - Sep 13 with 1744 views | Whiterockin |
Football and life is not all about you mate. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 14:07 - Sep 13 with 1738 views | pencoedjack |
It’s pretty simple if you don’t want to show respect stand on the concourse whilst those wanting to do, nobody is forcing you to do it.
It will take you about 1 minute to get to your seat from there. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 14:13 - Sep 13 with 1728 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 14:05 - Sep 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most of those things are not mandatory. You don’t have to sing GSTK, you don’t have to take a knee, you don’t have to wear a poppy. But the respect is towards those who do choose to do so out of decency. |
A protest against taking the knee was banned by the Police and lead to arrests. I accept it was a group of far right activists. It is mandatory not by the "law" but by the "law of the jungle". I would expect to get abuse. The Police would arrest me for "causing a disturbance".
As Bob Dylan once sang "you do not need a to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows". [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 14:18]
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| I have to show respect. on 14:17 - Sep 13 with 1724 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 14:07 - Sep 13 by pencoedjack |
It’s pretty simple if you don’t want to show respect stand on the concourse whilst those wanting to do, nobody is forcing you to do it.
It will take you about 1 minute to get to your seat from there. |
Why should l leave? I could not get off the National Express bus and I could not cancel my hotel in Birmingham. 1 minute tonight three days last weekend. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 14:19 - Sep 13 with 1717 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 14:06 - Sep 13 by Whiterockin |
Football and life is not all about you mate. |
My life is all about me. I represent a minority people who are fed up with 'paying respects' to all and sundry when all I want to do is watch some quality football. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 14:20]
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| I have to show respect. on 14:22 - Sep 13 with 1699 views | shandyjack |
| I have to show respect. on 14:19 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
My life is all about me. I represent a minority people who are fed up with 'paying respects' to all and sundry when all I want to do is watch some quality football. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 14:20]
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yet you were going to Birmingham V swansea. Not much quality to see there hahaha |  |
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| I have to show respect. on 14:50 - Sep 13 with 1651 views | Scotia |
This thread isn't about showing respect, but not showing disrespect. There's a big difference.
You'd have to be a bit of an arse to disrespect anything to do with the queen or soldiers who died in the line of duty. I wear a poppy as a mark of respect every year without fail, but I won't be lining up to pay my respects to the Queen lying in state, in fact I think those that are doing so are barmy, but that isn't disrespectful to her. Anti-monarchist's planning demos as part of the funeral process are being disrespectful, there's a time and a place for that and the mourning period isn't one.
I'm British and Welsh. Would I sing GSTK tonight? Probably not, would I disrespect the royal family or those singing it by booing? No.
By booking a non-refundable coach and hotel you got the cheapest price and accepted the risk. Move on.
If football is no place for respect surely there is nothing wrong with being called a sheep shagger during a game? |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 15:01 - Sep 13 with 1638 views | swan65split |
| I have to show respect. on 14:05 - Sep 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most of those things are not mandatory. You don’t have to sing GSTK, you don’t have to take a knee, you don’t have to wear a poppy. But the respect is towards those who do choose to do so out of decency. |
Beat me to it,
And its the loss of respect is the reason for many issues in society today.
I see it and experience it every day. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 15:40 - Sep 13 with 1586 views | Catullus |
It's almost total fantasy.
I didn't respect taking the knee, there was no trouble for it aprt from a few on here calling me racist.
I don't agree with royalty but I did respect the Queen, I won't be singing GSTK though and nobody will punch me.
I don't have to buy a poppy, I always do but it's not mandatory and very many people don't stop what they are doing on 11/11.
Respect should be everywhere when it's due. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 15:59 - Sep 13 with 1562 views | BarrySwan |
I'm completely and utterly appalled that the OP has had to live life under these conditions in modern day Wales
Hands up everyone who has been punched for not singing GSTQ or GSTK?
I think we really need to get numbers on this one in order going forward to protect the innocent and those unable to hold a note. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 16:01]
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| I have to show respect. on 16:02 - Sep 13 with 1549 views | Treforys_Jack |
You don't have to do anything mate. Show ambivalence if that's your bag. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 16:04 - Sep 13 with 1541 views | Catullus |
| I have to show respect. on 14:19 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
My life is all about me. I represent a minority people who are fed up with 'paying respects' to all and sundry when all I want to do is watch some quality football. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 14:20]
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Who said you can represent this minority? Was there a meeting or any kind of vote?
Isn't the truth again that you are just representing yourself and dressing it up in another fantasy scenario?
You're not happy, we egt it. Tell you what, don't stand and don't sing GSTK tonight, I won't be singing either. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 16:17 - Sep 13 with 1507 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 16:04 - Sep 13 by Catullus |
Who said you can represent this minority? Was there a meeting or any kind of vote?
Isn't the truth again that you are just representing yourself and dressing it up in another fantasy scenario?
You're not happy, we egt it. Tell you what, don't stand and don't sing GSTK tonight, I won't be singing either. |
If I started a loud booing of the Queen during the 2 minute silence I would get serious consequences. It is the law of the jungle.
I have no alternative in the stadium to showing respect. It is respect by default. Last Friday I have no alternative. I was on a bus to Birmingham. Trevor Birch treated me like sh~t.
Get rid of the minute silence so I can d live my life without restriction such a play my radio or talk to my mate.
The Welsh people that tolerate and promote being racially abused from English fans sing GSTQ are the same people demanding even pleading we show respect for their Queen. What goes around comes around. Many like me were furious on Friday. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 16:23 - Sep 13 with 1489 views | Sirjohnalot |
| I have to show respect. on 16:17 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If I started a loud booing of the Queen during the 2 minute silence I would get serious consequences. It is the law of the jungle.
I have no alternative in the stadium to showing respect. It is respect by default. Last Friday I have no alternative. I was on a bus to Birmingham. Trevor Birch treated me like sh~t.
Get rid of the minute silence so I can d live my life without restriction such a play my radio or talk to my mate.
The Welsh people that tolerate and promote being racially abused from English fans sing GSTQ are the same people demanding even pleading we show respect for their Queen. What goes around comes around. Many like me were furious on Friday. |
Surely you must understand that one of the main reasons was the lack of police ? The police presence in London and elsewhere would have been very large.
By your rationale, there is nothing wrong with playing the Benny Hill theme in the middle of a funeral or walking into an exam and shouting and screaming.
All it is asking people for a minute. That's all. it's not a restriction, it really isn't. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 16:26 - Sep 13 with 1482 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 14:50 - Sep 13 by Scotia |
This thread isn't about showing respect, but not showing disrespect. There's a big difference.
You'd have to be a bit of an arse to disrespect anything to do with the queen or soldiers who died in the line of duty. I wear a poppy as a mark of respect every year without fail, but I won't be lining up to pay my respects to the Queen lying in state, in fact I think those that are doing so are barmy, but that isn't disrespectful to her. Anti-monarchist's planning demos as part of the funeral process are being disrespectful, there's a time and a place for that and the mourning period isn't one.
I'm British and Welsh. Would I sing GSTK tonight? Probably not, would I disrespect the royal family or those singing it by booing? No.
By booking a non-refundable coach and hotel you got the cheapest price and accepted the risk. Move on.
If football is no place for respect surely there is nothing wrong with being called a sheep shagger during a game? |
I was on the bloody coach. Getting a refund at the junction of the M50 and M5 would have been pretty pointless. The FA decided it would be preferable to upset 100,000 unimportant people rather than the Royal family. I get it I understand it.
I had a 48 hour notice for my hotel but the EFA made the call 24 hours before. They were under no obligation to do anything. Now they are pleading for fan to show respect for the Royal family. They showed no respect for me.
What goes round comes around. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 16:29 - Sep 13 with 1468 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| I have to show respect. on 16:23 - Sep 13 by Sirjohnalot |
Surely you must understand that one of the main reasons was the lack of police ? The police presence in London and elsewhere would have been very large.
By your rationale, there is nothing wrong with playing the Benny Hill theme in the middle of a funeral or walking into an exam and shouting and screaming.
All it is asking people for a minute. That's all. it's not a restriction, it really isn't. |
I do not believe that for one moment. The sporting authorities were told explicitly they were under no obligation to postpone those games.
Here it is.
The government guidance says: "There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. "This is at the discretion of individual organisations. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 16:30]
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| I have to show respect. on 16:32 - Sep 13 with 1449 views | jack247 |
| I have to show respect. on 16:17 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If I started a loud booing of the Queen during the 2 minute silence I would get serious consequences. It is the law of the jungle.
I have no alternative in the stadium to showing respect. It is respect by default. Last Friday I have no alternative. I was on a bus to Birmingham. Trevor Birch treated me like sh~t.
Get rid of the minute silence so I can d live my life without restriction such a play my radio or talk to my mate.
The Welsh people that tolerate and promote being racially abused from English fans sing GSTQ are the same people demanding even pleading we show respect for their Queen. What goes around comes around. Many like me were furious on Friday. |
Why would you want to loudly boo the Queen?
I get that you’ve got a massive issue with the English, but her as an individua? | | | |
| I have to show respect. on 16:46 - Sep 13 with 1427 views | onehunglow |
| I have to show respect. on 16:32 - Sep 13 by jack247 |
Why would you want to loudly boo the Queen?
I get that you’ve got a massive issue with the English, but her as an individua? |
247.
Serious question as you seem an objective type…is Res really representative down there l frankly, as am dreading tonight as my home town is going to get panned if our team fans boo the national anthem.
We have many former servicemen who proudly took their oath.
I doubt the likes of Res would convey his hate straight into one who served in Ulster and got PTSD as a result
Same with Liverpool fans tonight who are,in effect ,on trial. | |
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| I have to show respect. on 16:53 - Sep 13 with 1420 views | swan_si |
What an absolutely ridiculous thread, I'd go as far as to say embarrassing, I myself have never sung our national anthem, or even bood it, when I hear it sung at us in football matches I dont give it a moments thought, its their way of responding to england is full of shit, and on it goes, if I let it get to me they've achieved what they set out to do, that said I leave the singing to those that can, I can never understand supporters who go to a game to sing at other supporters when the ball is in play, if you intend booing during the minutes silence, or during the national anthem tonight, I would hope you opt for the last option and chose not to go. |  | | |
| I have to show respect. on 16:56 - Sep 13 with 1408 views | Sirjohnalot |
| I have to show respect. on 16:29 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I do not believe that for one moment. The sporting authorities were told explicitly they were under no obligation to postpone those games.
Here it is.
The government guidance says: "There is no obligation to cancel or postpone events and sporting fixtures, or close entertainment venues during the National Mourning period. "This is at the discretion of individual organisations. [Post edited 13 Sep 2022 16:30]
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Of course they were not under and obligation, but the police numbers were such that they could not allow countless games to go ahead when they had far more important things to do. The security risk would have been huge, | | | |
| I have to show respect. on 16:58 - Sep 13 with 1401 views | Sirjohnalot |
| I have to show respect. on 16:53 - Sep 13 by swan_si |
What an absolutely ridiculous thread, I'd go as far as to say embarrassing, I myself have never sung our national anthem, or even bood it, when I hear it sung at us in football matches I dont give it a moments thought, its their way of responding to england is full of shit, and on it goes, if I let it get to me they've achieved what they set out to do, that said I leave the singing to those that can, I can never understand supporters who go to a game to sing at other supporters when the ball is in play, if you intend booing during the minutes silence, or during the national anthem tonight, I would hope you opt for the last option and chose not to go. |
I completely agree, always baffles me when I see fans spending most of the match facing the oppos and doing various hand gestures. | | | |
| I have to show respect. on 17:04 - Sep 13 with 1390 views | jack247 |
| I have to show respect. on 16:46 - Sep 13 by onehunglow |
247.
Serious question as you seem an objective type…is Res really representative down there l frankly, as am dreading tonight as my home town is going to get panned if our team fans boo the national anthem.
We have many former servicemen who proudly took their oath.
I doubt the likes of Res would convey his hate straight into one who served in Ulster and got PTSD as a result
Same with Liverpool fans tonight who are,in effect ,on trial. |
No, he’s not. You get the odd nationalist fruitcake as well as many people with no bias who have genuine reasons for wanting independence (I’m not one of them).
You don’t get many who openly dislike English people as a collective, but unfortunately, football crowds, alcohol, machismo, the unofficial English national anthem if it’s played could all create a vortex which shows our club and city in an unrepresentative bad light.
I hope I’m wrong. I’m sure 99% will be fine, but all it takes is a couple of idiots and people in turn turning on them to create an awful impression. | | | |
| I have to show respect. on 17:15 - Sep 13 with 1362 views | Scotia |
| I have to show respect. on 16:26 - Sep 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I was on the bloody coach. Getting a refund at the junction of the M50 and M5 would have been pretty pointless. The FA decided it would be preferable to upset 100,000 unimportant people rather than the Royal family. I get it I understand it.
I had a 48 hour notice for my hotel but the EFA made the call 24 hours before. They were under no obligation to do anything. Now they are pleading for fan to show respect for the Royal family. They showed no respect for me.
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There was no need for you to lose £150 then, you missed the football that's all. You should have found something else to do in Birmingham, its a great city.
I doubt 100,000 people were more than slightly disappointed rather than upset. The games aren't cancelled they're just delayed for a bit.
I also very much doubt the Royal Family gave two hoots about the games happening or not they had more important things to worry about. There was no royal decree and this isn't the 1500's.
I would personally be annoyed if someone booed or disrespected anything to do with my family. Its nobody else's business though, I certainly wouldn't punch anyone but who booed the anthem, I would think they were a disrespectful moron though.
Would you boo GSTQ or GSTK if you were standing next to Mike Tindall?
This isn't about the Queen or England it's a matter of common decency. | | | |
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