| The BBC 20:49 - Nov 9 with 25054 views | colinallcars |
Bell, Book & Candle.
Please no nasty stuff, but they had it coming didn't they ?
When I were a nipper, they were one of the most respected organizations in the world. |  | | |  |
| The BBC on 21:20 - Nov 10 with 2453 views | queensparker |
I’ve got skin in this chat as have worked at the BBC twice over two separate occasions and have put in almost 20 years there over the years - as a local boy it was always my ambition to work there and was very proud to do so. Ironically I’ve just been paid up and one of the reasons I took the cheque was it was fast becoming chaotic and badly run, which I would never have said before. Lots of cowards and yes men and anonymous functionaries calling the shots
Wish it gone at your peril honestly, it’s a great institution and loved all over the world.
The noise about BBC News shouldn’t distract from everything else the BBC does, it’s the best deal going IMO across radio, World Service, eduction stuff for kids like Bitesize, random commissions that would never get a look in anywhere else, and the freedom to commission insanely expensive and non commercial but important programmes like David Attenborough over the years
Murdoch, Maxwell, every dishonest cnt going in the media landscape has been gunning for the BBC for decades and now with Trump on board and Robbie Gibb and his cronies running the news operation i do fear for the future. Tim Davie for me was an alright bloke but if he’s bailing too I think he’s seen the writing on the wall
We’ll miss it when it’s gone. [Post edited 10 Nov 22:47]
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| The BBC on 09:56 - Nov 11 with 2125 views | londonscottish |
| The BBC on 21:20 - Nov 10 by queensparker |
I’ve got skin in this chat as have worked at the BBC twice over two separate occasions and have put in almost 20 years there over the years - as a local boy it was always my ambition to work there and was very proud to do so. Ironically I’ve just been paid up and one of the reasons I took the cheque was it was fast becoming chaotic and badly run, which I would never have said before. Lots of cowards and yes men and anonymous functionaries calling the shots
Wish it gone at your peril honestly, it’s a great institution and loved all over the world.
The noise about BBC News shouldn’t distract from everything else the BBC does, it’s the best deal going IMO across radio, World Service, eduction stuff for kids like Bitesize, random commissions that would never get a look in anywhere else, and the freedom to commission insanely expensive and non commercial but important programmes like David Attenborough over the years
Murdoch, Maxwell, every dishonest cnt going in the media landscape has been gunning for the BBC for decades and now with Trump on board and Robbie Gibb and his cronies running the news operation i do fear for the future. Tim Davie for me was an alright bloke but if he’s bailing too I think he’s seen the writing on the wall
We’ll miss it when it’s gone. [Post edited 10 Nov 22:47]
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I'm not arguing for the breaking up of the BBC, just some winding in of necks in their news and documentary operations.
Some major errors of judgement on several fronts. |  |
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| The BBC on 10:21 - Nov 11 with 2073 views | daveB |
| The BBC on 17:36 - Nov 10 by Northernr |
The BBC is a mess. It's over staffed, badly run, lurching from one crisis to another, making mistake after mistake. It's also absolute king of self flagellation, allowing itself to be beaten from pilar to post by opponents while constantly going sorry, sorry, sorry, leading News at Ten with apologies about its own coverage while there are literal bloody wars going on. It falls over itself on impartiality every bloody time.
Overall though I still think it's predominantly a force for good. It's programming is revered and respected around the world. It wields an enormous amount of soft power, positively promoting Britain internationally.
In 2024, TV industry revenues were about £20bn in this country. The film and high-end TV production sector was £6.27bn in 2022.
More to the point it employs tens of thousands of people. It is an absolute key cornerstone to the independent production industry which last year was worth £3.6bn to the economy. Of that, £1.78bn came from the BBC, ITV, C4 an C5 commissioning programmes from independent British production companies.
In this country, unlike the rest of the world, anybody can set up a production company if they've got an idea for a show, pitch it to one of those channels, and if they get it away they own it. They own the rights to sell it around the world, not the channel. This is enshrined by the Terms of Trade from 2003. In the US and rest of the world it's the opposite - you have the idea, you make it, the channel that airs it owns it, makes all the revenue selling it abroad, can take it off you and give it to another production company if they like. Here you can build a business making shows for UK broadcasters and selling them around the world in success. It's a whole industry that brings in literally billions of pounds and hundreds of thousands of jobs into our economy.
You allow people who want to kneecap it, or get rid of it entirely, because they don't like it politically, it will be an enormous, enormous mistake.
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My hope is that we end up with the BBC, ITV & Channel 4 all coming together in a huge merger, reduce the number of channels and add more quality. Traitors last week showed the appetite is still there for brilliant programmes in a tv schedule you have to wait for attracting huge audiences. The programme archive they all have you'd have one hell of a streaming service to go along with it as well a real best of British.
Sadly ITV & Channel 4 will eventually be sold off to Americans and BBC will just be closed down when reform get in. |  | | |
| The BBC on 10:26 - Nov 11 with 2045 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The BBC on 16:57 - Nov 10 by Sonic_Hoop |
You know you can make an alternative argument, or point, if you've got one? |
I’ve already made my point on a post on this thread 🙄 |  | | |
| The BBC on 10:46 - Nov 11 with 1953 views | francisbowles |
| The BBC on 17:42 - Nov 10 by HantsR |
I feel that this was so careless/ unnecessary whatever as Trump's rants are enough to show the intelligent world his many failings and his true motivation that fateful day when 5 people died as a result, whilst he was watching it all on TV rather than doing something to stop it - oh yeah, he eventually made a tweet 
It felt like an unnecessary foul on the edge of the penalty area in the last minute, when the attacker was going nowhere? |
So Varane for DG then.😁 |  | | |
| The BBC on 10:55 - Nov 11 with 1935 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The BBC on 17:37 - Nov 10 by Hooping_Mad |
The way they spliced the clip is a big part of the problem, there are ways of doing it.
It has its own section called 'Verify' that's used to checks its own homework, fairly certain that will have to go now.
Cover for Epstein related activities will further damaged the Beebs reputation.
Davies sat on his hands when he should have been sorting the problem, someone just mentioned Sir Trevor Phillips as a replacment which could be interesting. |
Ha ha, Verify exemplifies the problem. The BBC is always falling over itself trying to be as objective as possible and present both sides (assuming there are only two sides) to every issue. So you have Marianna and her Sesame Street over-simplification of 'facts' to present the illusion that what you are watching is 'true'; meanwhile over here, their flagship news documentary strand is cutting up a Trump speech like Homer's interview in Homer Badman.
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| The BBC on 11:30 - Nov 11 with 1812 views | Jigsore |
I never thought the leopards would eat MY face... |  |
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| The BBC on 12:03 - Nov 11 with 1711 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| The BBC on 10:26 - Nov 11 by Ned_Kennedys |
I’ve already made my point on a post on this thread 🙄 |
Yeah, and I countered it by comparing it to the much worse example from their Corbyn hit job. The difference being with the latter the usual suspects were silent and the BBC's acknowledgement was tucked away. |  | | |
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| The BBC on 14:19 - Nov 11 with 1531 views | ActonExile |
Most of the argument's i have read pretty much agree that the BBC is alright (ish) but not perfect.
Maybe the solution is to break it down to smaller parts and have the person in charge of each aspect and to be independent from each other (news, children, documentaries, etc.) and every 3 months or so they report to a (Commons) select committee where they produce a report justifying expenditure, income, salaries, complaints, etc.
On an aside, how on earth do they end up with the salaries they get, paying the license fee is compulsory and the argument that it's competitive with the private sector is twaddle, let's pay someone a £1m a year to present MOTD, how about, put a compilation together without a presenter and press play. | |
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| The BBC on 14:26 - Nov 11 with 1522 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The BBC on 14:19 - Nov 11 by ActonExile |
Most of the argument's i have read pretty much agree that the BBC is alright (ish) but not perfect.
Maybe the solution is to break it down to smaller parts and have the person in charge of each aspect and to be independent from each other (news, children, documentaries, etc.) and every 3 months or so they report to a (Commons) select committee where they produce a report justifying expenditure, income, salaries, complaints, etc.
On an aside, how on earth do they end up with the salaries they get, paying the license fee is compulsory and the argument that it's competitive with the private sector is twaddle, let's pay someone a £1m a year to present MOTD, how about, put a compilation together without a presenter and press play. |
Despite the huge salaries, I think they are well behind what the private sector pays. |  | | |
| The BBC on 14:58 - Nov 11 with 1425 views | BlackCrowe |
| The BBC on 14:26 - Nov 11 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Despite the huge salaries, I think they are well behind what the private sector pays. |
Way ahead on private sector on pensions. I've got a couple of family members working for the Beeb and yes, their salaries are decent but unremarkable but their pensions are amazing. |  |
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| The BBC on 15:07 - Nov 11 with 1402 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| The BBC on 14:58 - Nov 11 by BlackCrowe |
Way ahead on private sector on pensions. I've got a couple of family members working for the Beeb and yes, their salaries are decent but unremarkable but their pensions are amazing. |
In terms of overall cost to the org though, well behind i'd think? | | | |
| The BBC on 15:28 - Nov 11 with 1352 views | daveB |
| The BBC on 14:19 - Nov 11 by ActonExile |
Most of the argument's i have read pretty much agree that the BBC is alright (ish) but not perfect.
Maybe the solution is to break it down to smaller parts and have the person in charge of each aspect and to be independent from each other (news, children, documentaries, etc.) and every 3 months or so they report to a (Commons) select committee where they produce a report justifying expenditure, income, salaries, complaints, etc.
On an aside, how on earth do they end up with the salaries they get, paying the license fee is compulsory and the argument that it's competitive with the private sector is twaddle, let's pay someone a £1m a year to present MOTD, how about, put a compilation together without a presenter and press play. |
I quite like MOTD as it is, I don't think I'd watch it if they just showed the goals. | | | |
| The BBC on 15:34 - Nov 11 with 1332 views | Beckenhamhoop |
I haven’t read this but Lewis Goodall and his ilk are in (large) part the cause of the problems of the BBC.
He’s not a journalist. He doesn’t have a journalistic background, he only became a ‘journalist’ when he started working for the BBC. He’s an activist, a Labour Party member and Oxford graduate ie exactly the sort of person I referred to in my earlier post. His time at Newsnight along with the appalling Emily Maitless was the programme’s lowest point and eventually resulted in them both being ushered out of the building. | | | |
| The BBC on 15:43 - Nov 11 with 1316 views | kensalriser |
| The BBC on 15:34 - Nov 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
I haven’t read this but Lewis Goodall and his ilk are in (large) part the cause of the problems of the BBC.
He’s not a journalist. He doesn’t have a journalistic background, he only became a ‘journalist’ when he started working for the BBC. He’s an activist, a Labour Party member and Oxford graduate ie exactly the sort of person I referred to in my earlier post. His time at Newsnight along with the appalling Emily Maitless was the programme’s lowest point and eventually resulted in them both being ushered out of the building. |
The same Emily Maitless who so artfully skewered the Andrew formerly known as Prince? |  |
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| The BBC on 15:52 - Nov 11 with 1283 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Come on, this guy is as biased as your typical liberal commentator. "In so doing he (Trump) introduced a toxin into American politics which will take a generation to exorcise." Talk about emotive language and hyperbole - obviously, the likes of Goodall loathe Trump and blame him for everything that has ever occurred in history...and thus the irony is he is doing exactly the same as the Panorama editor did. Mate, your wife works for The Tony Blair Institute, don't lecture anyone on morals. | | | |
| The BBC on 15:56 - Nov 11 with 1270 views | kensalriser |
| The BBC on 15:52 - Nov 11 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Come on, this guy is as biased as your typical liberal commentator. "In so doing he (Trump) introduced a toxin into American politics which will take a generation to exorcise." Talk about emotive language and hyperbole - obviously, the likes of Goodall loathe Trump and blame him for everything that has ever occurred in history...and thus the irony is he is doing exactly the same as the Panorama editor did. Mate, your wife works for The Tony Blair Institute, don't lecture anyone on morals. |
How would you characterise Trump's actions? | |
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| The BBC on 16:00 - Nov 11 with 1260 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The BBC on 15:56 - Nov 11 by kensalriser |
How would you characterise Trump's actions? |
I'm not a supposedly objective journalist. | | | |
| The BBC on 16:08 - Nov 11 with 1228 views | queensparker |
| The BBC on 14:58 - Nov 11 by BlackCrowe |
Way ahead on private sector on pensions. I've got a couple of family members working for the Beeb and yes, their salaries are decent but unremarkable but their pensions are amazing. |
They were good if you started 15+ years ago - one of the last places you could get a final salary pension if you were a mere serf.
Long gone now of course, like every other perk for the working class | | | |
| The BBC on 16:21 - Nov 11 with 1178 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| The BBC on 15:43 - Nov 11 by kensalriser |
The same Emily Maitless who so artfully skewered the Andrew formerly known as Prince? |
Artfully scewered! He hung himself because he’s an arrogant c**t. There’s no skill in making a fool look like a fool. | | | |
| The BBC on 16:29 - Nov 11 with 1161 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| The BBC on 16:00 - Nov 11 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I'm not a supposedly objective journalist. |
Objectively, he's right about Trump. It's not hard to back up those claims with evidence. But you're right, he's not an objective journalist, or even a very good journalist. | | | |
| The BBC on 16:42 - Nov 11 with 1133 views | derbyhoop |
| The BBC on 17:20 - Nov 10 by Juzzie |
I haven't seen the Panorama programme but did they mention the clip was condensed/segmented? If not, that was a bit silly as they way it currently looks, it's ripe for misinterpretation hence the top dogs at the BBC standing down and Trump looking to sue.
Of course it's a distraction, Trump will look at every conceivable possibility to do just that and the Beeb have handed it to him on a plate. |
As far as Trump suing is concerned, can BBC lawyers respond with a f ck off message that even Mr Orange will understand.
The time for suing in UK has expired.
He could try suing in USA but Panaorama programme was never shown in US. Neither live nor Iplayer, which is not available in US.
Also, Trump would need to prove material damage to his reputation (hmmmm) which doesn't seem likely.
So f ck off, using legal terminology, would be wholly appropriate. |  |
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| The BBC on 16:45 - Nov 11 with 1117 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| The BBC on 16:42 - Nov 11 by derbyhoop |
As far as Trump suing is concerned, can BBC lawyers respond with a f ck off message that even Mr Orange will understand.
The time for suing in UK has expired.
He could try suing in USA but Panaorama programme was never shown in US. Neither live nor Iplayer, which is not available in US.
Also, Trump would need to prove material damage to his reputation (hmmmm) which doesn't seem likely.
So f ck off, using legal terminology, would be wholly appropriate. |
Apparently BBC lawyers have decided that there was sufficient material in the entire speech to back up the general point being made by Panorama even without the need for clumsy edits and they feel they are on fairly strong ground to resist. | | | |
| The BBC on 16:48 - Nov 11 with 1114 views | JamesB1979 |
| The BBC on 16:45 - Nov 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
Apparently BBC lawyers have decided that there was sufficient material in the entire speech to back up the general point being made by Panorama even without the need for clumsy edits and they feel they are on fairly strong ground to resist. |
If Trump won, who would foot the bill? Would it be us??? | | | |
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