| Pubs 10:29 - Oct 16 with 11631 views | controversial_jack |
To be shut in Wales for a month from the 26th |  | | |  |
| Pubs on 16:53 - Oct 17 with 831 views | Gwyn737 |
| Pubs on 16:43 - Oct 17 by majorraglan |
Sounds like a tidy well run place, if all premises were run like this then things would be a lot better. Scotia mentioned the Santa Clara in St Clears, a license to sell alcohol bring responsibilities and if people can’t adhere to the law then they should be prosecuted and lose those privileges. Drakers, Boris et al should have seed prescribed direction to the pubs, if they couldn't adhere to it then it’s a case of not being able to open or loss of licence, but some parties are far more reluctant to act than other.
The current 3 tier system in England is a joke, people in the areas with the highest rates of infection “should avoid” travel etc, which means if they want to go somewhere they can, it’s not enforceable. It’s radio rental!! Boris is advising people not to do something, but he’s not stopping them which is a repeat of what we had in advance of the big March lockdown when people started acting off their own initiative. |
I’m in tier 1 in the south east corner so have been really lucky all the way through this so far.
Even so, I’ve seen no evidence of people not adhering to the rules here - masks everywhere and businesses adapting really well.
One of the blokes I go to the pub with is a copper, who says they’ve not had many issues either. | | | |
| Pubs on 17:01 - Oct 17 with 830 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 16:15 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
Singapore has less than a tenth of the population of the UK. An absurd comparison.
If you can find a country of 60 million people, who are part of a free market with their neighbours, who happen to be of a similar size and within 20 miles of their border and who have successfully controlled the virus after having a massive outbreak by closing their borders, you may be on to something.
I didn't want hospitality to open, it had to open. If it had opened at the same time as England we'd be in exactly the same position as now but they'd have a few more quid in the bank to stay open longer term.
Why do you think the virus is increasing in France, Spain, Italy and Germany?
I intend to break the law because if that law is passed it is moronic. Who am I going to pass the virus to or contract it from if I take the Dogs for a walk to Caswell? Why can't I go to a car showroom, a furniture shop or go and buy a shirt? When shops opened there was no increase so why, if as rumoured, is Drakeford shutting them again?
The virus can be controlled with adequate test and trace. Today there were less than 9000 tests in Wales, Gething said in the summer we had a capacity for 15000 only to retract that this month saying that was a best case scenario number. WG are as bad as Westminster. |
As for comments about Wales having higher figures than England. Look at todays figures. 5 Deaths in Wales 150 UK.5x66.4/3.2 =103. Less Deaths in Wales
New Cases Wales 674 UK 16171 674X66.4/3.2= 13985. Less cases today in Wales.
Try sticking to facts. | | | |
| Pubs on 17:19 - Oct 17 with 814 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 16:44 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Will Thailand do?
Just under 70Million, cases/million 53, deaths/million 0.8.
Or how about Taiwan?
Only 23Million, but cases/million 22, deaths/million 0.3.
Or South Korea 51Million, cases/million 490, deaths/million 9. |
No they won't. Obviously. Neither of those countries had an outbreak similar to Britain or even Europe. | | | |
| Pubs on 17:30 - Oct 17 with 808 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 17:01 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
As for comments about Wales having higher figures than England. Look at todays figures. 5 Deaths in Wales 150 UK.5x66.4/3.2 =103. Less Deaths in Wales
New Cases Wales 674 UK 16171 674X66.4/3.2= 13985. Less cases today in Wales.
Try sticking to facts. |
Well done. That's a bit funny.
I don't think you understand facts.. | | | |
| Pubs on 17:42 - Oct 17 with 801 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pubs on 17:19 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
No they won't. Obviously. Neither of those countries had an outbreak similar to Britain or even Europe. |
Of course they didn't, because they have had pandemics before and new exactly what to do.
Unlike the western governments which were totally unprepared, except for perhaps Germany, who were in a better position.
Which is the whole point. | | | |
| Pubs on 18:04 - Oct 17 with 788 views | Catullus |
| Pubs on 17:01 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
As for comments about Wales having higher figures than England. Look at todays figures. 5 Deaths in Wales 150 UK.5x66.4/3.2 =103. Less Deaths in Wales
New Cases Wales 674 UK 16171 674X66.4/3.2= 13985. Less cases today in Wales.
Try sticking to facts. |
Have you just used the UK figurs to represent England? That's just wrong. It's bound to return a higher figure on both counts.
Have you got accurate figures for England or is your post just a typo where UK should say England? | |
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| Pubs on 18:08 - Oct 17 with 777 views | majorraglan |
| Pubs on 17:42 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Of course they didn't, because they have had pandemics before and new exactly what to do.
Unlike the western governments which were totally unprepared, except for perhaps Germany, who were in a better position.
Which is the whole point. |
Fair points. Our government conducted an exercise in 2016 and we were found wanting, lessons weren’t and we are in a state. We should have shut down much earlier and prevented people traveling on skiing holidays in February when the scale of the disaster was becoming apparent.
We were unprepared, the governments eye was off the ball and we are paying the price now. | | | |
| Pubs on 18:14 - Oct 17 with 773 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 18:04 - Oct 17 by Catullus |
Have you just used the UK figurs to represent England? That's just wrong. It's bound to return a higher figure on both counts.
Have you got accurate figures for England or is your post just a typo where UK should say England? |
It is the uk figure hence where the 66 Million comes from. The figures for 17 October shows Wales 674 England 13299 so the result would be 674X54/3.2 is 11373 nearly 2000 less equivalent. The same result. | | | |
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| Pubs on 18:16 - Oct 17 with 771 views | Catullus |
| Pubs on 18:08 - Oct 17 by majorraglan |
Fair points. Our government conducted an exercise in 2016 and we were found wanting, lessons weren’t and we are in a state. We should have shut down much earlier and prevented people traveling on skiing holidays in February when the scale of the disaster was becoming apparent.
We were unprepared, the governments eye was off the ball and we are paying the price now. |
Maybe because they are more worried about the money aspect rather than the health aspect? And when the health problem overtook the money aspect it was too late to stop the spread?
Hindsight maybe but after the lockdown we should have relaxed rules more slowly and only let hospitality open where they could implement distancing and had been inspected and approved by police. Maybe we should still allow places to open on those terms, hard on smaller places that can't but that's a pandemic for you.
Stopping international travek sooner just seemed like common sense. | |
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| Pubs on 18:38 - Oct 17 with 758 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 18:16 - Oct 17 by Catullus |
Maybe because they are more worried about the money aspect rather than the health aspect? And when the health problem overtook the money aspect it was too late to stop the spread?
Hindsight maybe but after the lockdown we should have relaxed rules more slowly and only let hospitality open where they could implement distancing and had been inspected and approved by police. Maybe we should still allow places to open on those terms, hard on smaller places that can't but that's a pandemic for you.
Stopping international travek sooner just seemed like common sense. |
International travel has probably had more impact than pubs. It is people going on holiday that brought it back when it was very nearly gone. It came back because our UK government allowed 3 and 1/2 flights from Zante to Cardiff which is over 3 times the length of a flight from Singapore to Kuala Lumpar and further than Singapore to Bangkok and not much shorter than a flight from Singapore to Hong Kong or Singapore to Manilla. | | | |
| Pubs on 19:29 - Oct 17 with 745 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 18:04 - Oct 17 by Catullus |
Have you just used the UK figurs to represent England? That's just wrong. It's bound to return a higher figure on both counts.
Have you got accurate figures for England or is your post just a typo where UK should say England? |
Yes.
Genuinely clueless. | | | |
| Pubs on 19:30 - Oct 17 with 743 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 18:38 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
International travel has probably had more impact than pubs. It is people going on holiday that brought it back when it was very nearly gone. It came back because our UK government allowed 3 and 1/2 flights from Zante to Cardiff which is over 3 times the length of a flight from Singapore to Kuala Lumpar and further than Singapore to Bangkok and not much shorter than a flight from Singapore to Hong Kong or Singapore to Manilla. |
Twaddle | | | |
| Pubs on 19:40 - Oct 17 with 734 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 17:42 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Of course they didn't, because they have had pandemics before and new exactly what to do.
Unlike the western governments which were totally unprepared, except for perhaps Germany, who were in a better position.
Which is the whole point. |
My point is that closing our borders now would be the epitome of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Utterly pointless.
We had ten's of thousands of UK residents on holiday in virus hotspots before we new they were hotspots. We already have enough of it her to keep us going for years, and have done since March. | | | |
| Pubs on 20:32 - Oct 17 with 713 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 19:40 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
My point is that closing our borders now would be the epitome of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Utterly pointless.
We had ten's of thousands of UK residents on holiday in virus hotspots before we new they were hotspots. We already have enough of it her to keep us going for years, and have done since March. |
It isnt pointless and had Johnson not opened them with his Air Bridges plan when he did people wouldnt have brought the virus back to spread it around in pubs and subsequently through students. It is no coincidence that countries that have kept their borders closed have not had anything like the problems we have had. Shame that you cannot see that because of your right wing views
Mainland China 4634 Deaths Population 1.4 billion people
UK 43579 Deaths Population 66.4 million people
South Korea 443 Deaths Population 51.23 million people
Thailand 59 Deaths Population 69.85 million people
Malaysia 180 Deaths Population 32.37 million People
Singapore 28 Deaths Population 5.7 million people
According to you the uk gets it right whereas the others with far lower death rates got it wrong. Says it all. | | | |
| Pubs on 20:37 - Oct 17 with 704 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Pubs on 20:32 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
It isnt pointless and had Johnson not opened them with his Air Bridges plan when he did people wouldnt have brought the virus back to spread it around in pubs and subsequently through students. It is no coincidence that countries that have kept their borders closed have not had anything like the problems we have had. Shame that you cannot see that because of your right wing views
Mainland China 4634 Deaths Population 1.4 billion people
UK 43579 Deaths Population 66.4 million people
South Korea 443 Deaths Population 51.23 million people
Thailand 59 Deaths Population 69.85 million people
Malaysia 180 Deaths Population 32.37 million People
Singapore 28 Deaths Population 5.7 million people
According to you the uk gets it right whereas the others with far lower death rates got it wrong. Says it all. |
Sorry, you can't include Mainland China in that list.
There is absolutely no way that was the final tally of their deaths from COVID. | | | |
| Pubs on 21:52 - Oct 17 with 681 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 20:37 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, you can't include Mainland China in that list.
There is absolutely no way that was the final tally of their deaths from COVID. |
It is what is shown whether you believe it or not. | | | |
| Pubs on 22:00 - Oct 17 with 675 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 20:32 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
It isnt pointless and had Johnson not opened them with his Air Bridges plan when he did people wouldnt have brought the virus back to spread it around in pubs and subsequently through students. It is no coincidence that countries that have kept their borders closed have not had anything like the problems we have had. Shame that you cannot see that because of your right wing views
Mainland China 4634 Deaths Population 1.4 billion people
UK 43579 Deaths Population 66.4 million people
South Korea 443 Deaths Population 51.23 million people
Thailand 59 Deaths Population 69.85 million people
Malaysia 180 Deaths Population 32.37 million People
Singapore 28 Deaths Population 5.7 million people
According to you the uk gets it right whereas the others with far lower death rates got it wrong. Says it all. |
More rubbish. | | | |
| Pubs on 22:11 - Oct 17 with 673 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 22:00 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
More rubbish. |
Just because it shows you to be talking nonsense. These are official figures. | | | |
| Pubs on 22:20 - Oct 17 with 663 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 22:11 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
Just because it shows you to be talking nonsense. These are official figures. |
United Kingdom cases
Updated 17 Oct at 21:55 local
Confirmed
705,428
+16,171
Deaths
43,579
+150
Singapore cases
Updated 17 Oct at 21:55 local
Confirmed
57,904
+12
Deaths
28
Thailand cases
Updated 17 Oct at 22:15 local
Confirmed
3,679
+10
Deaths
59
China (mainland) cases
Updated 17 Oct at 22:15 local
Confirmed
85,659
+13
Deaths
4,634 | | | |
| Pubs on 22:27 - Oct 17 with 658 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 22:20 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
United Kingdom cases
Updated 17 Oct at 21:55 local
Confirmed
705,428
+16,171
Deaths
43,579
+150
Singapore cases
Updated 17 Oct at 21:55 local
Confirmed
57,904
+12
Deaths
28
Thailand cases
Updated 17 Oct at 22:15 local
Confirmed
3,679
+10
Deaths
59
China (mainland) cases
Updated 17 Oct at 22:15 local
Confirmed
85,659
+13
Deaths
4,634 |
Please give up.
Stop posting this nonsense.
China? | | | |
| Pubs on 22:41 - Oct 17 with 656 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 22:27 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
Please give up.
Stop posting this nonsense.
China? |
Official figures. Just because they show up your nonsense.
Here is the official table compiled by the WHO backing up the figures.
https://covid19.who.int/table
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| Pubs on 23:05 - Oct 17 with 644 views | Professor |
| Pubs on 20:37 - Oct 17 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, you can't include Mainland China in that list.
There is absolutely no way that was the final tally of their deaths from COVID. |
I agree, very skeptical on the Chinese figures. Could be ten times higher | | | |
| Pubs on 23:09 - Oct 17 with 642 views | Professor |
| Pubs on 22:41 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
Official figures. Just because they show up your nonsense.
Here is the official table compiled by the WHO backing up the figures.
https://covid19.who.int/table
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Not having a go at you, but these are just the figures reported to WHO from each country. International introduction , apart from the like of the Zante dickheads, is low. It never went away | | | |
| Pubs on 23:32 - Oct 17 with 624 views | Jack123 |
The way we are going, we will all be having the same conversation, most prob next April, or May or hell of lot later.. Personally I think the virus is over hyped, BUT, if you want to lockdown, lock the hell out of everything,or just not bother. |  |
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| Pubs on 23:34 - Oct 17 with 623 views | majorraglan |
| Pubs on 23:05 - Oct 17 by Professor |
I agree, very skeptical on the Chinese figures. Could be ten times higher |
I am not sure I’d trust our own stats, between March and 2nd of October the U.K. What’s the total number of excess deaths in the U.K. since March, it’s higher 43,000 that’s for sure. | | | |
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