| Pubs 10:29 - Oct 16 with 11619 views | controversial_jack |
To be shut in Wales for a month from the 26th |  | | |  |
| Pubs on 23:41 - Oct 17 with 887 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 23:09 - Oct 17 by Professor |
Not having a go at you, but these are just the figures reported to WHO from each country. International introduction , apart from the like of the Zante dickheads, is low. It never went away |
It wasn't just a few dickheads from Zante. There were other Greek Islands and other places like Portugal and Spain and other countries. We opened up our borders which should have been kept closed. People brought it back then went into pubs and house parties and it spread from there. There became more cases in circulation which has spread further through the student community living in Halls and HMOs. The figures for Wales show that over the last week there has been nearly 600 Welsh students living outside Wales infected. At one stage in August on 2 consecutive days there were 5 and 8 positive cases and the figures were still going downwards. It was when pubs opened indoors and people came back off holidays the figures started rising. The problem with people coming back from abroad was that by the time we realise there is a problem the cases are already here and being spread. Just as an example from 13 to 17 August there was 1 single case in Swansea Bay Health Board. Today there was 86 following on from 138 yesterday compared to the 1 case in 5 days in August and the increase came from the Zante idiots coming back and it has spread from there. | | | |
| Pubs on 23:48 - Oct 17 with 875 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 23:05 - Oct 17 by Professor |
I agree, very skeptical on the Chinese figures. Could be ten times higher |
Unless anyone can prove otherwise we have to accept the Chinese figures. Even if your right and it is ten times higher it is still a far lower figure than ours per unit of population. Can we really believe the UK figures. Johnson and co altered the English figures. The government figures are 10,000 lower than the ONS and 20,000 below the difference between this years deaths and the average of the last 5 years which suggests a death figure of near 70,000 not 43,000. | | | |
| Pubs on 08:05 - Oct 18 with 828 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 23:41 - Oct 17 by exhmrc1 |
It wasn't just a few dickheads from Zante. There were other Greek Islands and other places like Portugal and Spain and other countries. We opened up our borders which should have been kept closed. People brought it back then went into pubs and house parties and it spread from there. There became more cases in circulation which has spread further through the student community living in Halls and HMOs. The figures for Wales show that over the last week there has been nearly 600 Welsh students living outside Wales infected. At one stage in August on 2 consecutive days there were 5 and 8 positive cases and the figures were still going downwards. It was when pubs opened indoors and people came back off holidays the figures started rising. The problem with people coming back from abroad was that by the time we realise there is a problem the cases are already here and being spread. Just as an example from 13 to 17 August there was 1 single case in Swansea Bay Health Board. Today there was 86 following on from 138 yesterday compared to the 1 case in 5 days in August and the increase came from the Zante idiots coming back and it has spread from there. |
So so you really think group of lads from Maesteg who went to Zante (an area with relatively little infection) had a bigger impact on spreading the virus than 10's of thousands of students from the NW moving to various universities around the UK? | | | |
| Pubs on 09:05 - Oct 18 with 821 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 08:05 - Oct 18 by Scotia |
So so you really think group of lads from Maesteg who went to Zante (an area with relatively little infection) had a bigger impact on spreading the virus than 10's of thousands of students from the NW moving to various universities around the UK? |
The lower the cases the less the students would have spread it. The cases from overseas increased the virus in circulation which then spread through the communities. The fact that there were more cases led to students spreading it more. Hence why it was the catalyst and it wasnt just Zante. That is why keeping it low was the key. You were of the opinion that you could control the virus. 20 times higher than when you claimed it was under control. This just proves how out of touch with reality you are. | | | |
| Pubs on 09:47 - Oct 18 with 812 views | controversial_jack |
Why anyone wanted to go on hols in the middle of a pandemic is beyond me. | | | |
| Pubs on 09:59 - Oct 18 with 810 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 09:47 - Oct 18 by controversial_jack |
Why anyone wanted to go on hols in the middle of a pandemic is beyond me. |
Absolutely. Many thought it was solved though and had people not brought it back we were quite close to it as 1 case in 5 days in the local health board showed. This was achieved due to good social distancing and stay local rules and was before the wearing of masks became compulsory. | | | |
| Pubs on 10:20 - Oct 18 with 804 views | onehunglow |
I love my holidays.We are /were fortunate in having at least 4 per year but its out of the question for us for the foreseeable future.People should get their heads around the fact life has changed forever.
Airport security,covid tests on arrival ,downloading on line forms before travel,restricted beach access,mandatory masks and curtailed pubs /restaurants and an atmosphere of utter uncertainty as to whether you will have to quarantine when you return .
Chuck in the behaviour of our beauts and toilet access on planes and I really cannot see the joy . | |
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| Pubs on 12:39 - Oct 18 with 776 views | BillyChong |
| Pubs on 15:23 - Oct 17 by Scotia |
I don't want the stay at home law full stop. If Drakeford brings it in I will absolutely not be sticking to it.
I'm not going in to this again. We are the most interconnected island in the world we cannot close our borders long term. We aren't NZ. You genuinely are stupid if you can't see this.
Pubs in Wales opened with no guidance, last week, LAST WEEK, Swansea council advertised for covid enforcement officers. Drakeford should have had those in place in July.
This entire farce proves how badly Drakeford has treated us in Wales. We were kept in a longer lockdown than England and our cases increased at exactly the same time, and we still have a higher level of virus than England. Pubs will close on Friday or Monday with a month's less takings than England. Need I remind you that for that first month there was no increase in cases in England?
Pubs that weren't complying should have been closed on day one of opening, just look at the Santa Clara in St Clears, after their performance the licencesee should never be allowed to run a pub again. It took weeks to take enforcement action.
Anywhere can operate safely but unfortunately need to be forced to. |
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| Pubs on 09:23 - Oct 19 with 717 views | Scotia |
He is I agree.
Taking the easy way out instead of actually assessing the risk and putting in measures to allow a bit of normal life whilst slowing the spread. It's easy if he actually thinks about it.
Unless of course you mean me and if so please expand. | | | |
| Pubs on 09:57 - Oct 19 with 699 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 09:23 - Oct 19 by Scotia |
He is I agree.
Taking the easy way out instead of actually assessing the risk and putting in measures to allow a bit of normal life whilst slowing the spread. It's easy if he actually thinks about it.
Unless of course you mean me and if so please expand. |
Clearly you and 100% right.
Went to Bristol to a restaurant because you werent prepared to accept the rule in place.
Is going to ignore any stay local advice ie breaking the law because it doesnt suit you.
Wants pubs kept open because you frequent them. Backed a pub that has now been closed for failure to stick to the rules.
Believes gyms should be kept open so you can go there. | | | |
| Pubs on 10:42 - Oct 19 with 685 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 09:57 - Oct 19 by exhmrc1 |
Clearly you and 100% right.
Went to Bristol to a restaurant because you werent prepared to accept the rule in place.
Is going to ignore any stay local advice ie breaking the law because it doesnt suit you.
Wants pubs kept open because you frequent them. Backed a pub that has now been closed for failure to stick to the rules.
Believes gyms should be kept open so you can go there. |
I went to Brighton because restaurants weren't open here and there was no 5 mile rule in place preventing travel. Had hospitality been open here I would have stayed - it wasn't for a further month they opened and cases eventually increased at the same time as in Wales as England so this extra month of closure was pointless.
I'm going to ignore "stay at home" because it is not a sensible rule, assuming it does get brought in. Next week is half term and I will be taking my family to the beach and for days out. Who am I going to catch it from or pass it on too when I'm sitting on a surf board 200m from the shore at Llangenith? I've been prevented from doing that for 5 months of the year when, completely irrefutably, it will not increase the spread. Drakeford has even said this himself.
Back in June I wasn't allowed to travel 7 miles to Caswell when Londoners were having a day out in Bournemouth. With no increase in cases resulting from it.
I want pubs to stay open, safely, because I have family who work in them as their only source of income. They can't manage on a reduction in their minimum wage any longer. Similarly with shops. Any pub that breaks the rules should be closed. I am surprised at Boss brewery, I've only been once but it was very safe. I agree that pubs though should be the first place to close if needed,with a living wage paid to employees.
Here's an idea for you, would you be prepared to take a significant cut in your pension? If shops are closed and we have to stay at home pensioners won't need to spend money so surely could subsidise those who can't work.
Gyms should be kept open because they haven't contributed to a rise in cases and provide other benefits in battling the disease. Obviously with enforcement to ensure safely.
I have parents in their 70's and I'm an only child I would not do anything that would put them, or anyone else, at risk. They are the reason why I have made sure I'm completely up to speed with this outbreak.
A lockdown as back in the Spring is an easy decision, especially as WG won't have to pay for it. Seeking a nuanced approach is far more challenging and would require strong leadership, unfortunately we've got Drakeford. | | | |
| Pubs on 10:50 - Oct 19 with 679 views | onehunglow |
Pubs cannot safely stay open as alcohol affect the common sense needed to avoid spreading.
Ive no doubt you are sensible but fact is many are not and even curory look at city centres will tell you that. People gathering in droves prior to closing. Just wtf.
Good luck with the surfing.
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| Pubs on 10:50 - Oct 19 with 670 views | raynor94 |
| Pubs on 10:42 - Oct 19 by Scotia |
I went to Brighton because restaurants weren't open here and there was no 5 mile rule in place preventing travel. Had hospitality been open here I would have stayed - it wasn't for a further month they opened and cases eventually increased at the same time as in Wales as England so this extra month of closure was pointless.
I'm going to ignore "stay at home" because it is not a sensible rule, assuming it does get brought in. Next week is half term and I will be taking my family to the beach and for days out. Who am I going to catch it from or pass it on too when I'm sitting on a surf board 200m from the shore at Llangenith? I've been prevented from doing that for 5 months of the year when, completely irrefutably, it will not increase the spread. Drakeford has even said this himself.
Back in June I wasn't allowed to travel 7 miles to Caswell when Londoners were having a day out in Bournemouth. With no increase in cases resulting from it.
I want pubs to stay open, safely, because I have family who work in them as their only source of income. They can't manage on a reduction in their minimum wage any longer. Similarly with shops. Any pub that breaks the rules should be closed. I am surprised at Boss brewery, I've only been once but it was very safe. I agree that pubs though should be the first place to close if needed,with a living wage paid to employees.
Here's an idea for you, would you be prepared to take a significant cut in your pension? If shops are closed and we have to stay at home pensioners won't need to spend money so surely could subsidise those who can't work.
Gyms should be kept open because they haven't contributed to a rise in cases and provide other benefits in battling the disease. Obviously with enforcement to ensure safely.
I have parents in their 70's and I'm an only child I would not do anything that would put them, or anyone else, at risk. They are the reason why I have made sure I'm completely up to speed with this outbreak.
A lockdown as back in the Spring is an easy decision, especially as WG won't have to pay for it. Seeking a nuanced approach is far more challenging and would require strong leadership, unfortunately we've got Drakeford. |
Brilliant post, I'm amazed the taxman can see so much of what's going on from behind the sofa.
This next short lockdown is going to decimate the economy again, and not to mention people's mental state.
Sheer madness! |  |
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| Pubs on 11:09 - Oct 19 with 665 views | controversial_jack |
| Pubs on 10:50 - Oct 19 by raynor94 |
Brilliant post, I'm amazed the taxman can see so much of what's going on from behind the sofa.
This next short lockdown is going to decimate the economy again, and not to mention people's mental state.
Sheer madness! |
Our parents and grandparents, put up with 6 years of rationing, curfews, blackouts and being bombed. People today can't tolerate a few week's stuck in their modern , warm houses, with TV , internet etc, without getting depressed. Pathetic! | | | |
| Pubs on 11:11 - Oct 19 with 665 views | onehunglow |
and if we do not have a lockdown ,people will go on to spread this virus to such an extent the NH could collapse.That is why we have restrictions mainly as we cannot trust people to wear a face covering (not needed as it doesnt stop spreading) or they see it as (big brother ).
People are still saying covid is just like ordinary flu . People are out there imploring others NOT to wear mask or to distance. THIS is what we face.THESE are the people responsible for businesses getting hammered. | |
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| Pubs on 11:12 - Oct 19 with 665 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 10:42 - Oct 19 by Scotia |
I went to Brighton because restaurants weren't open here and there was no 5 mile rule in place preventing travel. Had hospitality been open here I would have stayed - it wasn't for a further month they opened and cases eventually increased at the same time as in Wales as England so this extra month of closure was pointless.
I'm going to ignore "stay at home" because it is not a sensible rule, assuming it does get brought in. Next week is half term and I will be taking my family to the beach and for days out. Who am I going to catch it from or pass it on too when I'm sitting on a surf board 200m from the shore at Llangenith? I've been prevented from doing that for 5 months of the year when, completely irrefutably, it will not increase the spread. Drakeford has even said this himself.
Back in June I wasn't allowed to travel 7 miles to Caswell when Londoners were having a day out in Bournemouth. With no increase in cases resulting from it.
I want pubs to stay open, safely, because I have family who work in them as their only source of income. They can't manage on a reduction in their minimum wage any longer. Similarly with shops. Any pub that breaks the rules should be closed. I am surprised at Boss brewery, I've only been once but it was very safe. I agree that pubs though should be the first place to close if needed,with a living wage paid to employees.
Here's an idea for you, would you be prepared to take a significant cut in your pension? If shops are closed and we have to stay at home pensioners won't need to spend money so surely could subsidise those who can't work.
Gyms should be kept open because they haven't contributed to a rise in cases and provide other benefits in battling the disease. Obviously with enforcement to ensure safely.
I have parents in their 70's and I'm an only child I would not do anything that would put them, or anyone else, at risk. They are the reason why I have made sure I'm completely up to speed with this outbreak.
A lockdown as back in the Spring is an easy decision, especially as WG won't have to pay for it. Seeking a nuanced approach is far more challenging and would require strong leadership, unfortunately we've got Drakeford. |
Pubs were open when you went to Bristol. Out doors but open and many used marquees when there was rain. The fact you were an only child just sums up your attitude. You only think of yourself whereas others had to learn to share things with brothers and sisters.
The law is the law whatever law it is. Just because you dont like a law doesnt justify breaking it. Again just showing your selfish attitude. If a robber claims he doesnt agree with a law would it justify his actions or in the current climate a landlord ignoring Social Distancing rules because he doesnt agree with the rule and it is affecting his business.
Your attitude is clear spoilt child syndrome. I can do what I like. I dont have to follow the rules but others must. | | | |
| Pubs on 11:23 - Oct 19 with 660 views | onehunglow |
I’m with ya man here.100 per cent.
Our national selfishness is exemplified by Scotia. It’s not a personal jibe but it shows how ,as a society,we have become all about ME.
It’s why ,as a nation,we are idiots,clowns who pine for the opening of pubs as a social gathering.
Until we change radically,this will curse us for all time.
Make no mistake,our liberalism over decades has led to this .
We cannot make tough decisions nor accept reality.
We are a different nation to that which we were in 1939-45 | |
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| Pubs on 11:31 - Oct 19 with 650 views | raynor94 |
| Pubs on 11:09 - Oct 19 by controversial_jack |
Our parents and grandparents, put up with 6 years of rationing, curfews, blackouts and being bombed. People today can't tolerate a few week's stuck in their modern , warm houses, with TV , internet etc, without getting depressed. Pathetic! |
Not everybody is as mentally strong as you sadly, pull yourself together doesn't work for everyone | |
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| Pubs on 11:44 - Oct 19 with 655 views | Scotia |
| Pubs on 11:12 - Oct 19 by exhmrc1 |
Pubs were open when you went to Bristol. Out doors but open and many used marquees when there was rain. The fact you were an only child just sums up your attitude. You only think of yourself whereas others had to learn to share things with brothers and sisters.
The law is the law whatever law it is. Just because you dont like a law doesnt justify breaking it. Again just showing your selfish attitude. If a robber claims he doesnt agree with a law would it justify his actions or in the current climate a landlord ignoring Social Distancing rules because he doesnt agree with the rule and it is affecting his business.
Your attitude is clear spoilt child syndrome. I can do what I like. I dont have to follow the rules but others must. |
Surely my concern for my family members undermines your entire reply? It's not the first time. I've said many times before I've ridden lockdown out on full pay by working at home, I'm OK but recognise that many aren't. You don't seem to be able to do that.
I'm not following rules that are stupid, I'm making this choice if I get prosecuted I'll take it on the chin as should a robber or a landlord. Anyway we'll see what Drakeford says.
What do you think of my pension idea seeing as you seem to be so benevolent, surely you built up a private one when cleaning the bogs in the tax office?
Edit :- I'm also so Selfish I'm having the covid trial vaccine on Friday. Purely for my own benefit obviously. [Post edited 19 Oct 2020 11:54]
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| Pubs on 11:53 - Oct 19 with 648 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 11:44 - Oct 19 by Scotia |
Surely my concern for my family members undermines your entire reply? It's not the first time. I've said many times before I've ridden lockdown out on full pay by working at home, I'm OK but recognise that many aren't. You don't seem to be able to do that.
I'm not following rules that are stupid, I'm making this choice if I get prosecuted I'll take it on the chin as should a robber or a landlord. Anyway we'll see what Drakeford says.
What do you think of my pension idea seeing as you seem to be so benevolent, surely you built up a private one when cleaning the bogs in the tax office?
Edit :- I'm also so Selfish I'm having the covid trial vaccine on Friday. Purely for my own benefit obviously. [Post edited 19 Oct 2020 11:54]
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Do you have evidence for the last sentence or is that just another slur from a very selfish individual who has been found out for what he is. For your information been as you have so little knowledge cleaners in HMRC are part of private companies and wouldnt have private pensions. Just another case of showing how little you know. The rubbish you have suggested is what has led to the numbers increasing so much. Open borders and pubs and keep the numbers under control. Jumped nearly 20 times. The evidence is staring you in the face. How could your policies go so wrong and this isnt just in Wales or the UK. Spain, France, Belgium and Netherlands have all failed with your policies. | | | |
| Pubs on 12:01 - Oct 19 with 640 views | raynor94 |
| Pubs on 11:12 - Oct 19 by exhmrc1 |
Pubs were open when you went to Bristol. Out doors but open and many used marquees when there was rain. The fact you were an only child just sums up your attitude. You only think of yourself whereas others had to learn to share things with brothers and sisters.
The law is the law whatever law it is. Just because you dont like a law doesnt justify breaking it. Again just showing your selfish attitude. If a robber claims he doesnt agree with a law would it justify his actions or in the current climate a landlord ignoring Social Distancing rules because he doesnt agree with the rule and it is affecting his business.
Your attitude is clear spoilt child syndrome. I can do what I like. I dont have to follow the rules but others must. |
You seem very adept at hurling insults from behind your keyboard, or should I say sofa. | |
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| Pubs on 12:37 - Oct 19 with 628 views | controversial_jack |
| Pubs on 11:31 - Oct 19 by raynor94 |
Not everybody is as mentally strong as you sadly, pull yourself together doesn't work for everyone |
I do appreciate the fact that others may suffer, i'm not heartless, but i see no alternative.
Stay safe yourself! | | | |
| Pubs on 13:11 - Oct 19 with 616 views | exhmrc1 |
| Pubs on 12:37 - Oct 19 by controversial_jack |
I do appreciate the fact that others may suffer, i'm not heartless, but i see no alternative.
Stay safe yourself! |
It isnt the case of being heartless. It is a case of allowing as many as possible carrying in with their lives whilst having restrictions and financial support in areas where they cannot. It involves looking at other countries and learning from best practice there. As an example Singapore has 28 deaths for a 5 million population. That is the same as approx 400 deaths in the UK. 100 times less than us and this kind of thing has happened in other countries. Most parts of Europe have had problems yet Germany has approx 9000 deaths as against over 40,000 here with a larger population. New Zealand has a fraction of our death rate also and has just re elected their government with an increased majority. All the countries that closed borders including Germany have far less deaths than those that havent. Some of these are able to open business because of how low the virus is. The evidence is absolutely clear. The decision to open borders has been the biggest mistake and we need to learn from it as otherwise we will continue back and forth into lockdowns. | | | |
| Pubs on 14:03 - Oct 19 with 592 views | Andy1300 |
| Pubs on 11:11 - Oct 19 by onehunglow |
and if we do not have a lockdown ,people will go on to spread this virus to such an extent the NH could collapse.That is why we have restrictions mainly as we cannot trust people to wear a face covering (not needed as it doesnt stop spreading) or they see it as (big brother ).
People are still saying covid is just like ordinary flu . People are out there imploring others NOT to wear mask or to distance. THIS is what we face.THESE are the people responsible for businesses getting hammered. |
No they are not, it’s the pathetic governments of all four nations and their pathetic rules |  |
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| Pubs on 14:27 - Oct 19 with 586 views | A_Fans_Dad |
It is interesting that both scotia & raynor appear to think it is OK to break rules & laws they disagree with.
Where does that attitude end though, drink driving, drugged driving, using the mobile while driving, not wearing seat belts, dropping litter, riding bikes on pavements, riding through red lights, excessive speeding.
All could be excused by that kind of attitude. [Post edited 19 Oct 2020 14:28]
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