| Begum 10:02 - Feb 26 with 9020 views | onehunglow |
Appeal dismissed then.
Great decision.
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| Begum on 12:32 - Mar 2 with 653 views | Boundy |
| Begum on 12:15 - Mar 2 by onehunglow |
I agree she was abused. Everyone believing mass slaughter is enjoyable and something to celebrate must have been at some time.
One thing for sure,it ain’t worth the risk of one Brit to take a chance on her.
Sometimes you gotta accept you re beaten Contro
And you are as is tramps . |
I'm just glad that so far the courts are not only following the letter of the law but have the majority of public opinion with them. | |
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| Begum on 12:40 - Mar 2 with 650 views | Highjack |
| Begum on 12:19 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
No more or less than men are, But is she more of a risk than 400 male fighters who have returned |
At least one of the male “fighters” blew up the Manchester arena killing a load of kids. Is it a chance worth taking? |  |
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| Begum on 12:54 - Mar 2 with 629 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 12:40 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
At least one of the male “fighters” blew up the Manchester arena killing a load of kids. Is it a chance worth taking? |
They do not fear death but welcome it.
That in itself makes you wonder why anyone would be attracted and radicalise or brain washed into believing that is a good thing.
All religions kill but Islam now by far the worst as it’s not yet grown up. Even Judaism has abandoned its more horrific practices of faith.
Begun cannot be defended ...apart from Barristers ,naturally,.They only want justice,after all.
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| Begum on 12:57 - Mar 2 with 627 views | Highjack |
| Begum on 12:54 - Mar 2 by onehunglow |
They do not fear death but welcome it.
That in itself makes you wonder why anyone would be attracted and radicalise or brain washed into believing that is a good thing.
All religions kill but Islam now by far the worst as it’s not yet grown up. Even Judaism has abandoned its more horrific practices of faith.
Begun cannot be defended ...apart from Barristers ,naturally,.They only want justice,after all.
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She is being defended though. And it’s all the people who seem to hate Britain as much as she does. | |
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| Begum on 13:16 - Mar 2 with 610 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Begum on 12:57 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
She is being defended though. And it’s all the people who seem to hate Britain as much as she does. |
I haven’t seen anyone defend her except for Trampie trolling.
There’s a huge difference between believing she should be tried and imprisoned here as she is British and defending her actions.
Trying to muddy the waters between those two things is disingenuous. | | | |
| Begum on 13:43 - Mar 2 with 599 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Begum on 13:16 - Mar 2 by londonlisa2001 |
I haven’t seen anyone defend her except for Trampie trolling.
There’s a huge difference between believing she should be tried and imprisoned here as she is British and defending her actions.
Trying to muddy the waters between those two things is disingenuous. |
I’m pretty sure I’ve read you make similar disingenuous muddying of waters remarks about people who voted Trump and also those that don’t support BLM and gave some insidious reasons for them doing so, far worse than anything you are accusing HJ of doing. But I am glad you realise it’s wrong to do that and am hoping not to read that any further.
But in terms of Begum, she is not British. That’s the point. She had duel nationality, Britain took her right to return away along with her citizenship. Cries of “she’s never been to Bangladesh” mean nothing. If Bangladesh don’t like the result of their own laws then they should change them, to be frank.
Defending a terrorist or the terrorist organisation that has murdered so many people in so many disgusting ways can’t be described as trolling, just japes, a joke or tomfoolery. It’s vile and utterly sickening. [Post edited 2 Mar 2021 13:46]
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| Begum on 13:45 - Mar 2 with 601 views | Wingstandwood |
| Begum on 12:57 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
She is being defended though. And it’s all the people who seem to hate Britain as much as she does. |
Aye and have you ever noticed that many whom embrace 'looney-left/looney-liberal’ politics often believe that they somehow belong to an exclusive morally superior and compassionate 'greater good' members club?.....Bizarre how often they never ever seem to show any 'genuine' empathy or sympathy for the consequences of what revolting child killers and terrorists do!
No different to the lunatic-fringe amongst the Christian lot who wrap themselves in a similar flag of 'greater-good' superiority whilst having previously rejoiced in the Covid-19 situation.
Some believe it to be some form of punishment upon all. What a way to win hearts and minds and boost church attendances hey? Wow and they proclaim “God is love”. Similar praise for Allah also cos apparently he is..... Quote: “Most merciful”.
Some people are so devoid of morals, common sense and self-awareness it’s truly shocking. What I find laughable is the how unwitting these people are to their mind-blowing stupidity contradictions and rank-hypocrisy. |  |
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| Begum on 14:01 - Mar 2 with 583 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 12:57 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
She is being defended though. And it’s all the people who seem to hate Britain as much as she does. |
I was being obtuse.Read it again.
She CAN/COULD be defended.
Lisa wants her to be so,ergo that is correct and we are all wrong.
Begum would be defended by no ingenue barrister but a full on highly paid Silk. She would not be short of funds either. She would neither be short of support . You have to realise just how perverse this nation is. We defend those who kill us.We will not make them pay as they should. We value their "human rights" above all.
Our priorities should be to allow young kids to go to a concert and not be blown to pieces all over the MEN .Ive been many times and it deeply upsets me now to reflect on the place.Ive not been to Manchester since as we were regular visitors.
Our safety comes well before any debate about whether this piece of sewerage is British or not .Death is not a price to pay for debates of semantics | |
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| Begum on 14:15 - Mar 2 with 572 views | Groo |
| Begum on 12:19 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
No more or less than men are, But is she more of a risk than 400 male fighters who have returned |
Again you state 400 male fighters.
In that report it states 400 had returned, it does not say 400 male fighters. I'm assuming that 400 is made up of both males and females, both adults and children.
Also that report states the majority returned shortly after leaving, so they went there and changed their mind when they saw reality, they didn't wait until ISIS lost and were moved into a camp.
Also as shown in other reports that the number of people that have had their citizenship removed has increased 600%, so she hasn't been picked on, she's one on many.
I also guess her interview in a camp where she refused to condemn the actions of ISIS and the crimes committed in the name of Islam.
The fact is she had dual citizenship, which opened the door to being refused entry back into the UK, she was one of many this applied to. |  |
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| Begum on 14:57 - Mar 2 with 551 views | Boundy |
| Begum on 12:19 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
No more or less than men are, But is she more of a risk than 400 male fighters who have returned |
I suppose by your support of her , you're prepared to take that chance , I'm glad you have no say in the matter as do the rest of us. | |
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| Begum on 16:24 - Mar 2 with 521 views | cockett_jack |
| Begum on 13:16 - Mar 2 by londonlisa2001 |
I haven’t seen anyone defend her except for Trampie trolling.
There’s a huge difference between believing she should be tried and imprisoned here as she is British and defending her actions.
Trying to muddy the waters between those two things is disingenuous. |
Yeah I cannot figure out whether Trampie is the greatest secret troll ever. By which I mean he is actually an anti Welsh-nationalist trying to discredit such movement by acting as someone who genuinely believes that all English people are racist because of the decision of a UK court and pretending to ignore the irony/inherent hypocrisy of that conclusion.... or a really, really sad and bitter person with a bit of a warped view.
Very questionable how you appear to turn a bit of a blind eye to his 'shenanigans' though. #partialwokeness #echochamber |  | | |
| Begum on 16:47 - Mar 2 with 513 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 16:24 - Mar 2 by cockett_jack |
Yeah I cannot figure out whether Trampie is the greatest secret troll ever. By which I mean he is actually an anti Welsh-nationalist trying to discredit such movement by acting as someone who genuinely believes that all English people are racist because of the decision of a UK court and pretending to ignore the irony/inherent hypocrisy of that conclusion.... or a really, really sad and bitter person with a bit of a warped view.
Very questionable how you appear to turn a bit of a blind eye to his 'shenanigans' though. #partialwokeness #echochamber |
Trampie 's posts are perfect examples of racist content which pass under the net as they are aimed at England and English people,who are not forgiven because 500 = years ago.England effectively annexed Wales.Boohoo. Its 2021 now but it feeds those who are so bitter and warped against a country that basically keeps Wales from disaster financially and socially.
No other people can be abused. The Irish seem to be a country and people who claim racism/prejudice at every turn. Another country that hates England,which is why Tramps and Killkenny love it. | |
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| Begum on 17:30 - Mar 2 with 504 views | Highjack |
| Begum on 13:16 - Mar 2 by londonlisa2001 |
I haven’t seen anyone defend her except for Trampie trolling.
There’s a huge difference between believing she should be tried and imprisoned here as she is British and defending her actions.
Trying to muddy the waters between those two things is disingenuous. |
How do we try her if she’s not in the country? If she can’t make her own way back then presumably we’d have to go and get her and bring her back? I doubt we have an extradition treaty with Daesh. If she ever managed to get back here then of course she should be tried and convicted but there’s no reason for us to risk lives to go and rescue her from the hell hole she’s deliberately put herself in.
If ISIS had achieved their aims I imagine she’d be singing a different tune. | |
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| Begum on 17:37 - Mar 2 with 500 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 17:30 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
How do we try her if she’s not in the country? If she can’t make her own way back then presumably we’d have to go and get her and bring her back? I doubt we have an extradition treaty with Daesh. If she ever managed to get back here then of course she should be tried and convicted but there’s no reason for us to risk lives to go and rescue her from the hell hole she’s deliberately put herself in.
If ISIS had achieved their aims I imagine she’d be singing a different tune. |
By risking OUR people's lives.
Well said. | |
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| Begum on 17:49 - Mar 2 with 491 views | Wingstandwood |
| Begum on 17:30 - Mar 2 by Highjack |
How do we try her if she’s not in the country? If she can’t make her own way back then presumably we’d have to go and get her and bring her back? I doubt we have an extradition treaty with Daesh. If she ever managed to get back here then of course she should be tried and convicted but there’s no reason for us to risk lives to go and rescue her from the hell hole she’s deliberately put herself in.
If ISIS had achieved their aims I imagine she’d be singing a different tune. |
It would be unfair to rescue her, cos afterall everything is meant to be Allah's will, blessing and destiny! Rescue would be un-Islamic.....Hardship is a test often spoken about in theological study as being a kind of 'faith-test' engineered by the creator himself... You know forty days and nights in the wilderness type stuff.
I suggest Allah has influenced the supreme court by supernatural means. | |
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| Begum on 18:26 - Mar 2 with 466 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 17:49 - Mar 2 by Wingstandwood |
It would be unfair to rescue her, cos afterall everything is meant to be Allah's will, blessing and destiny! Rescue would be un-Islamic.....Hardship is a test often spoken about in theological study as being a kind of 'faith-test' engineered by the creator himself... You know forty days and nights in the wilderness type stuff.
I suggest Allah has influenced the supreme court by supernatural means. |
Allah .Is he really Akbar.? | |
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| Begum on 18:37 - Mar 2 with 447 views | Wingstandwood |
| Begum on 18:26 - Mar 2 by onehunglow |
Allah .Is he really Akbar.? |
That would be have been a fantastic title for discussion/philosophical based Channel Four programme 'After Dark'!
If i was a guest, and I was asked that? I would say in circumstance of Allah bestowing upon unhappy, defeated and obviously disisillusioned ISIS refugees an escape-magic-carpet?..... Yes, great to downright evil! [Post edited 2 Mar 2021 18:40]
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| Begum on 20:04 - Mar 2 with 415 views | onehunglow |
| Begum on 18:37 - Mar 2 by Wingstandwood |
That would be have been a fantastic title for discussion/philosophical based Channel Four programme 'After Dark'!
If i was a guest, and I was asked that? I would say in circumstance of Allah bestowing upon unhappy, defeated and obviously disisillusioned ISIS refugees an escape-magic-carpet?..... Yes, great to downright evil! [Post edited 2 Mar 2021 18:40]
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Islam is the youngest of the main religions that kill us stone dead one way or the other.
It has yet to adopt and adapt to the world of 2021.
All religions rule by fear and death whether it is the Catholic obsession with Mass, the indoctrination of Evangelical nutters of their kids and the Jewish belief of a land a God promised to them-and nobody else,mark you. | |
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| Begum on 20:59 - Mar 2 with 395 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Begum on 16:24 - Mar 2 by cockett_jack |
Yeah I cannot figure out whether Trampie is the greatest secret troll ever. By which I mean he is actually an anti Welsh-nationalist trying to discredit such movement by acting as someone who genuinely believes that all English people are racist because of the decision of a UK court and pretending to ignore the irony/inherent hypocrisy of that conclusion.... or a really, really sad and bitter person with a bit of a warped view.
Very questionable how you appear to turn a bit of a blind eye to his 'shenanigans' though. #partialwokeness #echochamber |
There is no one on this board that has more consistently pointed out that Trampie is a troll than I.
Quite how that makes me partially woke or whatever utter nonsense you claim is beyond me.
My position is clear.
Begum is British, as such she is entitled to be tried as a British citizen through British courts. I have not a single care if she is found guilty and locked up for the rest of her life. That’s fine, it doesn’t change the fact that once we start removing citizenship from those of immigrant parents, we leave ourselves open to a very real accusation that there are different levels of ‘Britishness’. That enjoyed by me, or presumably you, and that enjoyed by the children of immigrants.
That serves none of us well. It makes all of us less safe as it means that those who would wish us ill will find it spectacularly easy to claim to potentially disaffected youth that they will never be fully accepted as ‘one of us’ and their accusations against the British State are well founded.
No one sensible will claim that she should be allowed back and allowed to go her merry way. She is quite obviously extremely dangerous. Those posters claiming that anyone that wants her to stand trial here somehow supports her heinous acts and those of her ISIS comrades are quite deliberately conflating utterly different issues in an attempt to pretend that there are those that ‘hate Britain’.
It’s an complete, and yet deliberate, untruth,
It is more than likely that at some point, some utter monster with, for example, dual British and US citizenship, commits some horrific act. If the US removed citizenship and said ‘it’s the UK’s problem’ there would be uproar from those who are currently claiming Bangladesh should sort her out. | | | |
| Begum on 21:04 - Mar 2 with 387 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Begum on 14:15 - Mar 2 by Groo |
Again you state 400 male fighters.
In that report it states 400 had returned, it does not say 400 male fighters. I'm assuming that 400 is made up of both males and females, both adults and children.
Also that report states the majority returned shortly after leaving, so they went there and changed their mind when they saw reality, they didn't wait until ISIS lost and were moved into a camp.
Also as shown in other reports that the number of people that have had their citizenship removed has increased 600%, so she hasn't been picked on, she's one on many.
I also guess her interview in a camp where she refused to condemn the actions of ISIS and the crimes committed in the name of Islam.
The fact is she had dual citizenship, which opened the door to being refused entry back into the UK, she was one of many this applied to. |
She was the first female to have citizenship removed. No children have had citizenship removed. Her own child was regarded as British until it died. Which is farcical when you think about it. They weren’t born here and their mother was regarded as non British yet the child was...
She’s a test case. Which is why there’s so much publicity. The Home Office have previously lost cases where they’ve claimed implied Bangladeshi citizenship on a dual national. | | | |
| Begum on 21:09 - Mar 2 with 382 views | Flashberryjack |
| Begum on 21:04 - Mar 2 by londonlisa2001 |
She was the first female to have citizenship removed. No children have had citizenship removed. Her own child was regarded as British until it died. Which is farcical when you think about it. They weren’t born here and their mother was regarded as non British yet the child was...
She’s a test case. Which is why there’s so much publicity. The Home Office have previously lost cases where they’ve claimed implied Bangladeshi citizenship on a dual national. |
If she's had her citizenship taken away from her, how is she British? |  |
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| Begum on 21:16 - Mar 2 with 377 views | Groo |
| Begum on 21:04 - Mar 2 by londonlisa2001 |
She was the first female to have citizenship removed. No children have had citizenship removed. Her own child was regarded as British until it died. Which is farcical when you think about it. They weren’t born here and their mother was regarded as non British yet the child was...
She’s a test case. Which is why there’s so much publicity. The Home Office have previously lost cases where they’ve claimed implied Bangladeshi citizenship on a dual national. |
The children was in reference to those returned, not citizenship removed. It was in reference to CJ always saying 400 MALE FIGHTERS have been allowed back in.
I asked for a link which showed 400 male fighters had returned, the link he put in stated that around 400 had come back, with no reference to the make up of the 400, I pointed out they could be a mixture of Male, Female, Adults and Children.
Another link I found stated that those having their citizenship removed has increased 600% over the last 2 years (not sure the date of the article), again no reference to the make up of Male, Female, Adults and Children or even how may are in respect to ISIS.
There was also no indication of actual numbers.
So why is it important that she is the first female? | |
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| Begum on 21:32 - Mar 2 with 364 views | controversial_jack |
| Begum on 21:16 - Mar 2 by Groo |
The children was in reference to those returned, not citizenship removed. It was in reference to CJ always saying 400 MALE FIGHTERS have been allowed back in.
I asked for a link which showed 400 male fighters had returned, the link he put in stated that around 400 had come back, with no reference to the make up of the 400, I pointed out they could be a mixture of Male, Female, Adults and Children.
Another link I found stated that those having their citizenship removed has increased 600% over the last 2 years (not sure the date of the article), again no reference to the make up of Male, Female, Adults and Children or even how may are in respect to ISIS.
There was also no indication of actual numbers.
So why is it important that she is the first female? |
It states on that site, That, Internationally 32k who went out there were male, 5k were female and 5k were children. So, 76% would be male. I'm amusing the Uk would be similar.. As you can see the vast majority that went were male Including women who would be adults that's 37k, that's 88% , with 12% being children who would be their dependants.
Most of the individuals who have returned to the UK have been interviewed by the security services to establish what they experienced, the risk they may pose and the prospects for a safe resettlement.
Where an individual has not committed an offence - or there is not a public interest to prosecute - they may be put into a deradicalisation programme, which can include intensive mentoring and support from psychologists. | | | |
| Begum on 21:37 - Mar 2 with 363 views | Groo |
| Begum on 21:32 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
It states on that site, That, Internationally 32k who went out there were male, 5k were female and 5k were children. So, 76% would be male. I'm amusing the Uk would be similar.. As you can see the vast majority that went were male Including women who would be adults that's 37k, that's 88% , with 12% being children who would be their dependants.
Most of the individuals who have returned to the UK have been interviewed by the security services to establish what they experienced, the risk they may pose and the prospects for a safe resettlement.
Where an individual has not committed an offence - or there is not a public interest to prosecute - they may be put into a deradicalisation programme, which can include intensive mentoring and support from psychologists. |
The bit you missed was that the majority did so in the earlier stages of the conflict.
That is, they went and for whatever reason they didn't like what they saw and returned.
Begum stayed until ISIS lost and she was captured, then suddenly she wanted to return to Britain. In an interview in the camp she stated how she didn't have regrets and supported the actions of ISIS, including beheadings, etc.
A little different between those others. | |
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| Begum on 23:31 - Mar 2 with 337 views | Glossolalia |
Astounding that some on here still call Begum British. The highest court in the land ruled that she ain't no more.
There's the first rung on the ladder of understanding. Hop on up. |  | | |
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