| Welsh independence 21:45 - May 7 with 23671 views | 73__73 |
Don’t make me laugh 😂 plaid having a nightmare 😠|  |
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| Welsh independence on 09:39 - May 8 with 1272 views | onehunglow |
Yep.
For any outsiders reading this site;
This is what the Welsh are like after an election.
This is how we interact
This is a tolerant country
Innit | |
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| Welsh independence on 09:42 - May 8 with 1267 views | TenbySwan |
| Welsh independence on 23:34 - May 7 by Slugster664 |
He won't reply as he hasn't an answer, the bloke is a nob. |
If you would care to look you will see that I have answered, - several posts back!
Admin, - I didn't think personal insults were tolerated? |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 09:45 - May 8 with 1257 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independence on 08:25 - May 8 by Scotia |
It was an election in which all the parties who supported independence or a referendum on independence failed miserably.
Effectively it was a referendum on on whether we want a referendum and Wales doesn't even want a referendum. |
Looking at at yet again a low turn out I'd say the Welsh electorate care little about politics , and looking at what's on offer I can't blame them | |
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| Welsh independence on 09:49 - May 8 with 1244 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 09:45 - May 8 by Boundy |
Looking at at yet again a low turn out I'd say the Welsh electorate care little about politics , and looking at what's on offer I can't blame them |
Care little ,know little.
It matters not
They are told how to vote from the mother' breast.
Other regions have grown up
Labour detested in the north east which has seen as least as much industry vanish. | |
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| Welsh independence on 10:17 - May 8 with 1212 views | pencoedjack |
| Welsh independence on 22:36 - May 7 by TenbySwan |
With England going more and more blue, the bigger distance between Wales and England the better.
I'd like to think Welsh people have better values than the Tory England as a whole. |
I hope never to hear anyone who voted Labour moaning about
Longer NHS waiting lists than that of England (& the rest of UK)
Business setting up the other side of bridge due to better transport links
Money being spunked on Cardiff whilst the rest of Wales suffer.
Education levels lower than that of the rest of UK.
You reap what you sow. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 10:38 - May 8 with 1189 views | trampie |
| Welsh independence on 06:25 - May 8 by KeithHaynes |
This is the Scottish problem, the last referendum was clear.
They didn’t want to leave the union. |
People think there was skulduggery mind, biased coverage in favour of the Union, lies against yes and broken promises for staying in the union and then of course some say there was corruption involved in the counts, there was lots of video footage online at the time at the counts and also there was concern around postal votes, areas were apparently voting yes but postal votes from the same areas were apparently 90% for no, it might have been born on a Wednesday but it wasn't last Wednesday. |  |
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| Welsh independence on 11:15 - May 8 with 1177 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 10:38 - May 8 by trampie |
People think there was skulduggery mind, biased coverage in favour of the Union, lies against yes and broken promises for staying in the union and then of course some say there was corruption involved in the counts, there was lots of video footage online at the time at the counts and also there was concern around postal votes, areas were apparently voting yes but postal votes from the same areas were apparently 90% for no, it might have been born on a Wednesday but it wasn't last Wednesday. |
What people? Come on, I don't remember seeing Sturgeon making any claims. Maybe you can enlighten us with some evidence?
Some say eh? Are those some people who make things up to excuse their loss?
How does anybody know how somebody voted? If areas were voting yes but actually voted no, all you have is spurious claims and I'm certain if there was any evidence of postal fraud or any other voter fraud Sturgeon would have kicked up a storm. I read this,
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Even if you add the petitions together (ignoring many probably signed both) it came to 149,000. The claim in the story that somebody filmed vote tampering...."Why [are] there videos of votes being tampered with or moved around while the counter is seen looking around making sure no one was watching?" Well then, the lookout person didn't do such a good job because it was all filmed. Oh, the best bit, a RUSSIAN observer claiming it was fixed, come on!
You'll be claiming next that Plaid losing ground was a fix! | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:18 - May 8 with 1171 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 10:17 - May 8 by pencoedjack |
I hope never to hear anyone who voted Labour moaning about
Longer NHS waiting lists than that of England (& the rest of UK)
Business setting up the other side of bridge due to better transport links
Money being spunked on Cardiff whilst the rest of Wales suffer.
Education levels lower than that of the rest of UK.
You reap what you sow. |
Much hypocrisy abounds in this land.
People with money in wealthy towns professing their love of the working classes whilst at the same time preferring to be denizens of a nice area free of Plebs . | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:19 - May 8 with 1171 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Welsh independence on 11:15 - May 8 by Catullus |
What people? Come on, I don't remember seeing Sturgeon making any claims. Maybe you can enlighten us with some evidence?
Some say eh? Are those some people who make things up to excuse their loss?
How does anybody know how somebody voted? If areas were voting yes but actually voted no, all you have is spurious claims and I'm certain if there was any evidence of postal fraud or any other voter fraud Sturgeon would have kicked up a storm. I read this,
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Even if you add the petitions together (ignoring many probably signed both) it came to 149,000. The claim in the story that somebody filmed vote tampering...."Why [are] there videos of votes being tampered with or moved around while the counter is seen looking around making sure no one was watching?" Well then, the lookout person didn't do such a good job because it was all filmed. Oh, the best bit, a RUSSIAN observer claiming it was fixed, come on!
You'll be claiming next that Plaid losing ground was a fix! |
It’s a common theme these days.
Lose an election and claim it was fixed.
Trampie and Trumpie. |  |
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| Welsh independence on 11:21 - May 8 with 1166 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 11:19 - May 8 by Joe_bradshaw |
It’s a common theme these days.
Lose an election and claim it was fixed.
Trampie and Trumpie. |
It is simply a case of political tribalism.
It takes decades to change | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:28 - May 8 with 1158 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 10:17 - May 8 by pencoedjack |
I hope never to hear anyone who voted Labour moaning about
Longer NHS waiting lists than that of England (& the rest of UK)
Business setting up the other side of bridge due to better transport links
Money being spunked on Cardiff whilst the rest of Wales suffer.
Education levels lower than that of the rest of UK.
You reap what you sow. |
Absolutely. I know of someone who has moved his business from Cardiff to Bristol, due to the M4. He employs 30.
I also believe in democracy and if the Welsh people want labour, then the Welsh can have labour, even though they have failed year after year. | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:30 - May 8 with 1157 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 11:28 - May 8 by 73__73 |
Absolutely. I know of someone who has moved his business from Cardiff to Bristol, due to the M4. He employs 30.
I also believe in democracy and if the Welsh people want labour, then the Welsh can have labour, even though they have failed year after year. |
73.To me,it is more important for welsh people to hate the Tories .This overrides all | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:32 - May 8 with 1152 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 11:30 - May 8 by onehunglow |
73.To me,it is more important for welsh people to hate the Tories .This overrides all |
Yes good point. They say some can’t see the wood for the trees | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:43 - May 8 with 1134 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 11:30 - May 8 by onehunglow |
73.To me,it is more important for welsh people to hate the Tories .This overrides all |
Well it seems important to some of the Labour and Plaid voters on here to hate the tories. I treat them all with equal contempt.
Kilkenny usually tells us not to live in the past but can't get past 1984. He says he is progressive but is still fixated on Maggie and the miners. It's beyond parody.
Time to move on for everybody I reckon. We can keep arguing about what's done or we can look at the future and see how best to approach it. | |
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| Welsh independence on 11:56 - May 8 with 1114 views | CountyJim |
I've said before but trampie and others can't get it the nationalists have to look at SE Wales that's where the main bulk of voters are in Wales and they have taken another kicking |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 12:06 - May 8 with 1099 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 11:43 - May 8 by Catullus |
Well it seems important to some of the Labour and Plaid voters on here to hate the tories. I treat them all with equal contempt.
Kilkenny usually tells us not to live in the past but can't get past 1984. He says he is progressive but is still fixated on Maggie and the miners. It's beyond parody.
Time to move on for everybody I reckon. We can keep arguing about what's done or we can look at the future and see how best to approach it. |
Hi Cat.
But he is not alone.I still get Ken from beautiful Builth ripping into my Police past.It was a minority of my working life and Ive done much more interesting things.
The worst thing I ever did was posting to the effect I'd earned squillions of dosh after bashing miners. Like much I write,purely to antagonise egos out of control.
Steelworkers had it almost a bad,and mill workers possibly worse,not to mention Shipbuilders.
People down there need to remember Cammell Lairds,Swan Hunter,H@W,John Browns and Sheffield/Rotherham steel works ,with people refered to on here a northern Monkeys. | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:08 - May 8 with 1097 views | trampie |
| Welsh independence on 11:56 - May 8 by CountyJim |
I've said before but trampie and others can't get it the nationalists have to look at SE Wales that's where the main bulk of voters are in Wales and they have taken another kicking |
It's nothing to do with me County I'm not involved like you, I'm just a voter.
In old money Plaid know they have to win the valleys (in the 3 Wales model). | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:19 - May 8 with 1095 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 12:08 - May 8 by trampie |
It's nothing to do with me County I'm not involved like you, I'm just a voter.
In old money Plaid know they have to win the valleys (in the 3 Wales model). |
WTF is old money plaid 😂 | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:21 - May 8 with 1092 views | onehunglow |
| Welsh independence on 12:19 - May 8 by 73__73 |
WTF is old money plaid 😂 |
He hasnt gone decimal yet. | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:26 - May 8 with 1081 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 11:43 - May 8 by Catullus |
Well it seems important to some of the Labour and Plaid voters on here to hate the tories. I treat them all with equal contempt.
Kilkenny usually tells us not to live in the past but can't get past 1984. He says he is progressive but is still fixated on Maggie and the miners. It's beyond parody.
Time to move on for everybody I reckon. We can keep arguing about what's done or we can look at the future and see how best to approach it. |
I don’t know about 1984, Kilkenny still hasn’t got over losing the battle of the Boyne in 1690. | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:27 - May 8 with 1080 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 12:21 - May 8 by onehunglow |
He hasnt gone decimal yet. |
He hasn’t got a clue more like | |
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| Welsh independence on 12:43 - May 8 with 1065 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 12:06 - May 8 by onehunglow |
Hi Cat.
But he is not alone.I still get Ken from beautiful Builth ripping into my Police past.It was a minority of my working life and Ive done much more interesting things.
The worst thing I ever did was posting to the effect I'd earned squillions of dosh after bashing miners. Like much I write,purely to antagonise egos out of control.
Steelworkers had it almost a bad,and mill workers possibly worse,not to mention Shipbuilders.
People down there need to remember Cammell Lairds,Swan Hunter,H@W,John Browns and Sheffield/Rotherham steel works ,with people refered to on here a northern Monkeys. |
It's the minority who do that though, OHL. Most of us don't behave like the English are unwelcome intruders or evil b'stards out to destroy the Welsh.
I tried to get past the parochial nationalism and hate of strangers a long while back. I love travelling and meeting the locals wherever I am. When abroad we always try to eat in the local eateries, not the chains, we look for the real local businesses not the multinational invaders who have taken over many tourist areas.
With nationalism, all too often, comes hate. When I voted leave it was because on most levels I disagreed with the EU not because I hate foreigners. We had some close friends who were Polish, gone back to Poland now but they were some of the nicest, most genuine people I knew. People get blinkered by hate, they miss so much. | |
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| Welsh independence on 13:36 - May 8 with 1043 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 12:43 - May 8 by Catullus |
It's the minority who do that though, OHL. Most of us don't behave like the English are unwelcome intruders or evil b'stards out to destroy the Welsh.
I tried to get past the parochial nationalism and hate of strangers a long while back. I love travelling and meeting the locals wherever I am. When abroad we always try to eat in the local eateries, not the chains, we look for the real local businesses not the multinational invaders who have taken over many tourist areas.
With nationalism, all too often, comes hate. When I voted leave it was because on most levels I disagreed with the EU not because I hate foreigners. We had some close friends who were Polish, gone back to Poland now but they were some of the nicest, most genuine people I knew. People get blinkered by hate, they miss so much. |
No . You must be racist and xenophobic if you voted for Brexit. | |
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| Welsh independence on 13:41 - May 8 with 1033 views | TenbySwan |
| Welsh independence on 11:28 - May 8 by 73__73 |
Absolutely. I know of someone who has moved his business from Cardiff to Bristol, due to the M4. He employs 30.
I also believe in democracy and if the Welsh people want labour, then the Welsh can have labour, even though they have failed year after year. |
The Welsh Assembly get x amount of money every year for the devolved areas and split it up between those areas, they for example chose to give free prescriptions and free school meals during the holidays etc.
The money they get will only go so far and if they had chosen to build the M4 RELIEF road they would have had to make huge cuts to the budget for health and education etc.
RTD2 said that he would have built the M4 relief road, well guess what, - he still can by asking Boris to give the Welsh Assembly Government the money to do so.
This is extraordinary funding and should not be expected to come out of the normal budget.
Westminster have found the money for HS2 and could easily find the money for the M4 if they wanted to. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 13:56 - May 8 with 1019 views | KeithHaynes |
| Welsh independence on 12:26 - May 8 by 73__73 |
I don’t know about 1984, Kilkenny still hasn’t got over losing the battle of the Boyne in 1690. |
Small Dutch bloke, probably an ADO supporter. |  |
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