| Welsh independence 21:45 - May 7 with 23675 views | 73__73 |
Don’t make me laugh 😂 plaid having a nightmare 😠|  |
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| Welsh independence on 17:42 - Jul 3 with 1681 views | 73__73 |
Will it be a pick and in mix independence ? Will the English still be able to cross the border for work ? Will the welsh be allowed to work in England ? What league will Swansea play in ?
How will wales pay the £100,000,000,000 it owes from U.K. national debt ?
Will we be able to sell more cockles ? | |
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| Welsh independence on 18:52 - Jul 3 with 1655 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 16:45 - Jul 3 by Catullus |
In Scotland they have a pro indy government pushing a line that still doesn't have majority support.
In Wales our government, our elected leader has said that there is no hope of indy though he will talk about it.
Remember Drakeford asking the uestion, what currency would we use? That was his reason for being pro union just to start with, before going any deeper.
I'm sure everybody on the AUOB mailing list knew all about the march, it was on the WOL too.
It is still true, more people in Wales voted tory than support an indy Wales. |
Rubbish.
Drakers playing the Medium term game.
Already said the tired old Westmonster union needs reform.
He has set up his new Commission featuring Rowan and Prof Laura.
He has done a deal with Plaid in senedd.
Changed his title from First Minister to Prime Minister (in welsh).
If you cant see the direction of travel i cant help you.
Welsh labour will become real welsh Labour, not Labour in Wales.
And soon.
SNP have a clear mandate.
Have you been asleep ?
Are you the welsh Rip Van Winkle ? |  |
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| Welsh independence on 20:37 - Jul 3 with 1625 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence on 16:45 - Jul 3 by Catullus |
In Scotland they have a pro indy government pushing a line that still doesn't have majority support.
In Wales our government, our elected leader has said that there is no hope of indy though he will talk about it.
Remember Drakeford asking the uestion, what currency would we use? That was his reason for being pro union just to start with, before going any deeper.
I'm sure everybody on the AUOB mailing list knew all about the march, it was on the WOL too.
It is still true, more people in Wales voted tory than support an indy Wales. |
I went to the march and I didn't receive any mail about the march prior to it. I'm not a Labour voter but their is a clear divide between London and Welsh Labour the announced senedd expansion is a clear statement. I caught the opening of the Bevan heritage centre today in Tredegar our mp and Ms were present, I was informed and surprised to be told that our Ms is willing to listen to the independence idea and more surprised to hear his daughter is a yes cymru member. As more people in wales voting Tory than for independence, a lot has changed recently with events in Westminster, this has seen people reevaluate there voting habits. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 20:41 - Jul 3 with 1622 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence on 17:42 - Jul 3 by 73__73 |
Will it be a pick and in mix independence ? Will the English still be able to cross the border for work ? Will the welsh be allowed to work in England ? What league will Swansea play in ?
How will wales pay the £100,000,000,000 it owes from U.K. national debt ?
Will we be able to sell more cockles ? |
After Brexit will Britons be allowed into Europe? After Brexit will Britons be allowed to work in Europe? After Brexit will British teams still compete and play in Europe? How is the UK going to pay the two trillion debt.its in? | | | |
| Welsh independence on 20:53 - Jul 3 with 1594 views | Dr_Winston |
The idea of the Welsh Gov as it stands having total control of the country after any hypothetical Independence vote should terrify anyone with a brain.
Obviously the likes of Kilks and Tramps will be all for it, but intelligent people? The prospect is horrifying. Things are bad enough as it is. Give the cretins total power and people will be paddling to Devon in inflatable dinghies to claim asylum. |  |
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| Welsh independence on 21:58 - Jul 3 with 1551 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 20:53 - Jul 3 by Dr_Winston |
The idea of the Welsh Gov as it stands having total control of the country after any hypothetical Independence vote should terrify anyone with a brain.
Obviously the likes of Kilks and Tramps will be all for it, but intelligent people? The prospect is horrifying. Things are bad enough as it is. Give the cretins total power and people will be paddling to Devon in inflatable dinghies to claim asylum. |
So of all the peoples of Europe the Welsh are the only ones not capable of running their own government ?
Thats simply and self evidently total bollox. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:55 - Jul 3 with 1532 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 20:53 - Jul 3 by Dr_Winston |
The idea of the Welsh Gov as it stands having total control of the country after any hypothetical Independence vote should terrify anyone with a brain.
Obviously the likes of Kilks and Tramps will be all for it, but intelligent people? The prospect is horrifying. Things are bad enough as it is. Give the cretins total power and people will be paddling to Devon in inflatable dinghies to claim asylum. |
So people who think differently to yourself are thick?
I must be an absolute imbecile then, what a relief. | |
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| Welsh independence on 23:21 - Jul 3 with 1525 views | Boundy |
I'm curious to know who exactly is going to lead us into this new utopic called Wales , Plaid ,labour ( pretty much vote for one you get the others as a bonus ) Tories ,never , Gwlad or Lib dems, what a choice | |
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| Welsh independence on 04:54 - Jul 4 with 1505 views | 73__73 |
| Welsh independence on 20:41 - Jul 3 by blaenaugwentjack |
After Brexit will Britons be allowed into Europe? After Brexit will Britons be allowed to work in Europe? After Brexit will British teams still compete and play in Europe? How is the UK going to pay the two trillion debt.its in? |
Are you confusing the eu with Europe ?
There is no automatic right for eu citizens to work in the U.K. anymore and the same for U.K. citizens to work in the eu..
British football teams play in European competitions not eu competitions.
You obviously don’t know the difference. | |
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| Welsh independence on 10:13 - Jul 4 with 1468 views | pencoedjack |
| Welsh independence on 20:53 - Jul 3 by Dr_Winston |
The idea of the Welsh Gov as it stands having total control of the country after any hypothetical Independence vote should terrify anyone with a brain.
Obviously the likes of Kilks and Tramps will be all for it, but intelligent people? The prospect is horrifying. Things are bad enough as it is. Give the cretins total power and people will be paddling to Devon in inflatable dinghies to claim asylum. |
There is a couple more who can be added to that list. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 17:52 - Jul 4 with 1404 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Welsh independence on 21:58 - Jul 3 by Kilkennyjack |
So of all the peoples of Europe the Welsh are the only ones not capable of running their own government ?
Thats simply and self evidently total bollox. |
He did say as it stands, this current lot don't inspire whatsoever. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 22:59 - Jul 5 with 1318 views | blaenaugwentjack |
Taxi for Boris? | | | |
| Welsh independence on 23:02 - Jul 5 with 1310 views | raynor94 |
Plenty of room for Dippy Drakeford in the cab |  |
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| Welsh independence on 23:06 - Jul 5 with 1301 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 18:52 - Jul 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Rubbish.
Drakers playing the Medium term game.
Already said the tired old Westmonster union needs reform.
He has set up his new Commission featuring Rowan and Prof Laura.
He has done a deal with Plaid in senedd.
Changed his title from First Minister to Prime Minister (in welsh).
If you cant see the direction of travel i cant help you.
Welsh labour will become real welsh Labour, not Labour in Wales.
And soon.
SNP have a clear mandate.
Have you been asleep ?
Are you the welsh Rip Van Winkle ? |
Drakeford has said that the Uk needs reform but that Wales is best off staying in the Union. he has said it several times.
Hs new commission is a talking shop with no powers.
He did a deal because he didn't have a majority without Plaid. he couldn't guarantee getting what he wanted through the Senedd so he sold his soul to Price.
FAO BGJ, if you didn't get an email then how did you know about the march? It must have been advertised. If they weren't telling people about it directly, there must have been advertising. Or are all indy supporters psychic too? | |
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| Welsh independence on 20:23 - Jul 6 with 1243 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Welsh independence on 23:06 - Jul 5 by Catullus |
Drakeford has said that the Uk needs reform but that Wales is best off staying in the Union. he has said it several times.
Hs new commission is a talking shop with no powers.
He did a deal because he didn't have a majority without Plaid. he couldn't guarantee getting what he wanted through the Senedd so he sold his soul to Price.
FAO BGJ, if you didn't get an email then how did you know about the march? It must have been advertised. If they weren't telling people about it directly, there must have been advertising. Or are all indy supporters psychic too? |
The UK in its present form is finished end of. Got to laugh at some on here talking about politicians selling their soul to get humane policies through the senedd, like free school meals for hungry children and totally supportive of what's happening in Westminster over the last 24 hrs. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 21:03 - Jul 6 with 1214 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 20:23 - Jul 6 by blaenaugwentjack |
The UK in its present form is finished end of. Got to laugh at some on here talking about politicians selling their soul to get humane policies through the senedd, like free school meals for hungry children and totally supportive of what's happening in Westminster over the last 24 hrs. |
See this is the problem, most of the policies that Plaid had in their agreement with Labour are good. But yet some are so blinkered by party politics they hate anything the other side does.
Can they really say they are completely against policies like school meals and tighter 2nd home regulations? | |
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| Welsh independence on 21:20 - Jul 6 with 1197 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independence on 21:03 - Jul 6 by BryanSwan |
See this is the problem, most of the policies that Plaid had in their agreement with Labour are good. But yet some are so blinkered by party politics they hate anything the other side does.
Can they really say they are completely against policies like school meals and tighter 2nd home regulations? |
I wonder who you're referring to when you describe some as being blinkered. You must realise one of the reasons why families in Wales have to rely on free school meals is the dearth of decent well paid jobs . Something which falls under the emit of the Senedd but which has failed to deliver, time after time. Second homes are the new target but when you have a "government " so obsessed with us purely being recognised as tourist destination then cry because the very people they want to visit are then treated as pariahs,. We have good agricultural land being turned over to tree planting or rewilding , this to appease the eco warriors of which there are plenty and too many in powerful positions . | |
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| Welsh independence on 21:29 - Jul 6 with 1180 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh independence on 21:20 - Jul 6 by Boundy |
I wonder who you're referring to when you describe some as being blinkered. You must realise one of the reasons why families in Wales have to rely on free school meals is the dearth of decent well paid jobs . Something which falls under the emit of the Senedd but which has failed to deliver, time after time. Second homes are the new target but when you have a "government " so obsessed with us purely being recognised as tourist destination then cry because the very people they want to visit are then treated as pariahs,. We have good agricultural land being turned over to tree planting or rewilding , this to appease the eco warriors of which there are plenty and too many in powerful positions . |
You can't really argue with any of that. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 21:58 - Jul 6 with 1153 views | raynor94 |
| Welsh independence on 21:03 - Jul 6 by BryanSwan |
See this is the problem, most of the policies that Plaid had in their agreement with Labour are good. But yet some are so blinkered by party politics they hate anything the other side does.
Can they really say they are completely against policies like school meals and tighter 2nd home regulations? |
Are free school meals means tested? | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:04 - Jul 6 with 1149 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 21:20 - Jul 6 by Boundy |
I wonder who you're referring to when you describe some as being blinkered. You must realise one of the reasons why families in Wales have to rely on free school meals is the dearth of decent well paid jobs . Something which falls under the emit of the Senedd but which has failed to deliver, time after time. Second homes are the new target but when you have a "government " so obsessed with us purely being recognised as tourist destination then cry because the very people they want to visit are then treated as pariahs,. We have good agricultural land being turned over to tree planting or rewilding , this to appease the eco warriors of which there are plenty and too many in powerful positions . |
There are a huge number of reasons why Wales is poor, both the Senedd and Westminster are responsible.
Blinkered in the way people cannot see that those two policies clearly benefit the people of Wales. (Ignoring circumstances if you believe it is the senedd fault, providing the school meals is still good for the children).
As for the repurposing of agricultural land, I dont agree with it and think it is a bad move. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:12 - Jul 6 with 1138 views | Whiterockin |
| Welsh independence on 21:58 - Jul 6 by raynor94 |
Are free school meals means tested? |
I believe not, up to a certain age from September. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 22:46 - Jul 6 with 1117 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independence on 22:04 - Jul 6 by BryanSwan |
There are a huge number of reasons why Wales is poor, both the Senedd and Westminster are responsible.
Blinkered in the way people cannot see that those two policies clearly benefit the people of Wales. (Ignoring circumstances if you believe it is the senedd fault, providing the school meals is still good for the children).
As for the repurposing of agricultural land, I dont agree with it and think it is a bad move. |
yes there are huge reasons , and yes we have Tory national government who have been poor in all aspects of Welsh life and then we have a sitting Labour Welsh government who have many devolved powers and still no improvement in living standards , so who exactly is is to blame . Wales has a large potion of monies provided by Westminster which is then spent by Cardiff so does Westminster audit how the money is spent , no it doesn't, Wales has its own audit office, which can recommend or highlight deficiencies on many subjects all of which are under the Senedds control for example the new school curriculum which is being rolled out in September and with it a short fall of money which it estimated it would cost . is that Westminster's fault or the fault of those who are employed as "experts" to cost such matters . There are many examples of money wasted by Westminster but that shouldn't detract from the fact that our lot have been as equally negligent when it comes to spending tax payers money. | |
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| Welsh independence on 23:10 - Jul 6 with 1094 views | jacaranda |
This stupidity raises it's head every now and again .
We haven't any resources, other than beautiful countryside.
We aren't allowed to frack[whetherthat's good or not) , we've got a skilless, workshy next generation, who fall apart because you're overly stressing them when you need something done.
Here's a message to all you deluded plaids
Wales will be thrown back into the late 80s if we go independent
No money
No direction | | | |
| Welsh independence on 23:21 - Jul 6 with 1080 views | jacaranda |
| Welsh independence on 23:10 - Jul 6 by jacaranda |
This stupidity raises it's head every now and again .
We haven't any resources, other than beautiful countryside.
We aren't allowed to frack[whetherthat's good or not) , we've got a skilless, workshy next generation, who fall apart because you're overly stressing them when you need something done.
Here's a message to all you deluded plaids
Wales will be thrown back into the late 80s if we go independent
No money
No direction |
Truth stings like a bitch , ay | | | |
| Welsh independence on 23:43 - Jul 6 with 1062 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 23:10 - Jul 6 by jacaranda |
This stupidity raises it's head every now and again .
We haven't any resources, other than beautiful countryside.
We aren't allowed to frack[whetherthat's good or not) , we've got a skilless, workshy next generation, who fall apart because you're overly stressing them when you need something done.
Here's a message to all you deluded plaids
Wales will be thrown back into the late 80s if we go independent
No money
No direction |
Except your ignorance shines through …
Not to mention a fair market price for water and energy.
Where is our share of HS2 like Scotland and the north of Ireland ?
Avoiding An increasing national debt which is inevitable as part of broken Britain
Plus huge savings from ending military spending.
Economic boost by rejoining EU like Scotland and the north of Ireland. | |
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