| Welsh independence 21:45 - May 7 with 21403 views | 73__73 |
Don’t make me laugh 😂 plaid having a nightmare 😠|  |
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| Welsh independence on 21:59 - Jul 8 with 1306 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 20:13 - Jul 8 by Boundy |
Right now that's out of the way , what do you really think of him |
Funny for you, fair play … |  |
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| Welsh independence on 22:05 - Jul 8 with 1300 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 11:54 - Jul 8 by Boundy |
Never said nor intimated I was a Unionist , I'm just not blinkered unlike so many such as yourself , you pay lip service to the faults of our lot but full on when it comes to central government , would that be because of its location ?.
Interesting point you made about the M4 , just why would it be be a "non starter and pointless initiative" ? without it the nations growth has and will continue to stagnate and you're happy with that ? and if was as pointless as you believe why then did the Senedd waste all that money on its feasibility study , I can't see you complaining about that obscene waste of tax payers money . |
You are a unionist.
Johnson only offered this money to undermine our Welsh Govt.
He is playing games as usual.
Give the extra money to the Senedd and let our elected welsh govrnment decide on priorities for wales in the devolved areas like transport.
That fact Johnson would not do this tells you everything. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:07 - Jul 8 with 1298 views | majorraglan |
Coming in on this late, but good points on both sides.
In terms of the WG - not good enough. Re Gilestone Farm, we need answers and pretty soon, we also need the accounts finalised and submitted or someone needs sacking. The HOV road, 50 mph is a joke and it needs sorting up to national speed limit. Defo need a relief road around the Brynglas tunnels. I’m not a Drakers fan, but believe he is more honest and has more integrity than the cabal in Westminster.
Westminster, not good enough. Massive integrity issues particularly with regards the current PM. Sunak, recently criticised for incurring billions of additional expenditure in interest payments, - some sources saying worse than the massive gold sale. Energy, allowing closure of Rough Field gas storage site is a disaster, aspects of traffic management in Kent post Brexit not good enough, not being ready to introduce reciprocal checks on products entering the country post Brexit a shambles. The state of the judiciary and criminal justice system is a disgrace.
We’re being sold short by both governments. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 22:08 - Jul 8 with 1296 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 13:11 - Jul 8 by Boundy |
Very good points regarding the major roadworks which obviously is at the head of the next transport meeting agenda ( i don't think so) .
If you think that 31 years is a long time then consider this , from conception to final completion it took over 70 years for the Newtown by pass to open . All Westminster's fault obviously as no one thought of asking the Welsh Office, the assembly now the Sennedd the cause of the delay |
Westmonster control the purse strings see . .. 🤦â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:12 - Jul 8 with 1295 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 15:05 - Jul 8 by CountyJim |
Just a question for the pro independent posters if you where offered a referendum next year but you couldn't ask for another for say 20 years would you except that |
No - its up to the people of Wales, nobody else.
No strings.
Wales is not a hostage.
My view is we vote after Scotland and the north of Ireland leave.
Cymru will also vote Yes in these circumstances. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:18 - Jul 8 with 1288 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 18:06 - Jul 8 by Catullus |
Just ask yourself one question, has anything in Wales improved since devolution? Answer it honestly and post the reply.
The M4 relief would have enabled business traffic to get into West Wales more quickly and efficiently; the current situation is causing stagnation West of Cardiff.
Another question, why has the Senedd not yet put it's annula accounts out, they are very late and it's a legal requirement. What are they hiding, again? |
The Senedd has avoided the staggering dishonesty of Westminster.
No fast track paths for pals.
No damaging Brexit.
No illegal wars.
No partygate.
No sleaze.
Yes - competent government actually matters and has real value. [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 22:20]
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| Welsh independence on 23:00 - Jul 8 with 1261 views | Dr_Winston |
The Senedd has taken care of Wales like Harold Shipman took care of the OAP population of Greater Manchester. You'd have to be a total eejit to believe otherwise. |  |
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| Welsh independence on 17:09 - Jul 10 with 1156 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 18:15 - Jul 8 by BryanSwan |
Honestly i don't think very much has, but that is the same for vast swathes of the UK, excluding the south east.
Better public transport and getting the lorries off the road during peak hours are better policies in my opinion. We are meant to be moving away from cars, no point building a massive relief road.
And I'd imagine they will be released shortly. There isn't always an ulterior motive. |
Here, that first line, it got past me first off but, what has anywhere not inWales got to do with it? I asked what in Wales has improved under the Senedd. Why indulge in whataboutery?
Besides, the English NHS, better than Wales. English Schools better than Wales. English infrastructure...has Westminster stopped investing in it like the Senedd has here in Wales? | |
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| Welsh independence on 17:29 - Jul 10 with 1144 views | pencoedjack |
| Welsh independence on 17:09 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
Here, that first line, it got past me first off but, what has anywhere not inWales got to do with it? I asked what in Wales has improved under the Senedd. Why indulge in whataboutery?
Besides, the English NHS, better than Wales. English Schools better than Wales. English infrastructure...has Westminster stopped investing in it like the Senedd has here in Wales? |
All things the idiots fail too acknowledge.
We should have a simple vote.
Yes to independence
Or
Powers back to Westminster.
The Indy’s won’t have it as they know what the result would be. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 19:10 - Jul 10 with 1130 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 22:18 - Jul 8 by Kilkennyjack |
The Senedd has avoided the staggering dishonesty of Westminster.
No fast track paths for pals.
No damaging Brexit.
No illegal wars.
No partygate.
No sleaze.
Yes - competent government actually matters and has real value. [Post edited 8 Jul 2022 22:20]
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Point by point...
Staggering dishonesty, ok then when are the annual Welsh accounts 7 montjs late being released? Something stiinks there.
No damaging brexit, Wales voted leave you blithering idiot
No illegal wars, well it's not a devolvd area but Welsh troops fought in those wars.
No partygate, I can give you that one but Drakers is hardly a party animal BUT he does like a non distanced dance whih surely broke the rules.
No sleaze, again, accounts 7 months late, the Welsh PFI scandal...there's more.
Competent government does matter, if only we had theose competent politicians in Wales, Westminster and elsewhere. | |
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| Welsh independence on 20:48 - Jul 10 with 1111 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 17:29 - Jul 10 by pencoedjack |
All things the idiots fail too acknowledge.
We should have a simple vote.
Yes to independence
Or
Powers back to Westminster.
The Indy’s won’t have it as they know what the result would be. |
So no option for what the majority currently support which is devolution?
Abolish barely scrapes 15%
Indy would do well to get 25% | |
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| Welsh independence on 20:54 - Jul 10 with 1108 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 17:09 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
Here, that first line, it got past me first off but, what has anywhere not inWales got to do with it? I asked what in Wales has improved under the Senedd. Why indulge in whataboutery?
Besides, the English NHS, better than Wales. English Schools better than Wales. English infrastructure...has Westminster stopped investing in it like the Senedd has here in Wales? |
The comparison from Wales to other areas of the UK which the UK gov (Eng) do not care about is completely relevant. How could it not be?
Wales is very similar to the North of England, Scotland or n.Ire, all places the UK gov do not care for. The south thrives, the rest withers.
The problem is that i will quite happily criticise the senedd and do the same for the UK. If the UK were to benefit Wales and i mean truely benefit Wales i would not support Indy, but it currently does not. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:11 - Jul 10 with 1068 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 20:54 - Jul 10 by BryanSwan |
The comparison from Wales to other areas of the UK which the UK gov (Eng) do not care about is completely relevant. How could it not be?
Wales is very similar to the North of England, Scotland or n.Ire, all places the UK gov do not care for. The south thrives, the rest withers.
The problem is that i will quite happily criticise the senedd and do the same for the UK. If the UK were to benefit Wales and i mean truely benefit Wales i would not support Indy, but it currently does not. |
Drakers offered uk govt an opportunity to fund the safety of the old coal tips that need to be made safe. Perfect right for showing the union works.
The uk govt said feck off, welsh govt need to fund it.
No monies were ever included for this in the devolution arrangements.
Result - the Westmonster union simply does not work for Cymru. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:19 - Jul 10 with 1057 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 19:10 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
Point by point...
Staggering dishonesty, ok then when are the annual Welsh accounts 7 montjs late being released? Something stiinks there.
No damaging brexit, Wales voted leave you blithering idiot
No illegal wars, well it's not a devolvd area but Welsh troops fought in those wars.
No partygate, I can give you that one but Drakers is hardly a party animal BUT he does like a non distanced dance whih surely broke the rules.
No sleaze, again, accounts 7 months late, the Welsh PFI scandal...there's more.
Competent government does matter, if only we had theose competent politicians in Wales, Westminster and elsewhere. |
Welsh soldiers were sent by uk govt.
Lets be clear.
It was their job and they had no real choice.
Shameful that any uk troops should be asked to fight in illegal wars of course.
Thanks for the detailed response but all limp excuses tbh.
Btw cymru only had a majority for Brexit due to large numbers of English retirees.
I believe that they should all now be deported to Rwanda.
Apparently its all the rage in London.
No equivalence on Patygate.
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| Welsh independence on 15:34 - Jul 11 with 968 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 20:54 - Jul 10 by BryanSwan |
The comparison from Wales to other areas of the UK which the UK gov (Eng) do not care about is completely relevant. How could it not be?
Wales is very similar to the North of England, Scotland or n.Ire, all places the UK gov do not care for. The south thrives, the rest withers.
The problem is that i will quite happily criticise the senedd and do the same for the UK. If the UK were to benefit Wales and i mean truely benefit Wales i would not support Indy, but it currently does not. |
I didn't ask for any comparisons, I asked what has improved in Wales since devolution. I have also pointd out that the Welsh NHS is worse than in England, Education is low down the PISA rankings, well below England and I know there are oters here who can add more things that have gotten worse too.
I won't try and argue that Westminster isn't bad, they are and have been for a long time but there are different levels of bad. The Senedd is on another level. | |
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| Welsh independence on 16:46 - Jul 11 with 937 views | trampie |
| Welsh independence on 15:34 - Jul 11 by Catullus |
I didn't ask for any comparisons, I asked what has improved in Wales since devolution. I have also pointd out that the Welsh NHS is worse than in England, Education is low down the PISA rankings, well below England and I know there are oters here who can add more things that have gotten worse too.
I won't try and argue that Westminster isn't bad, they are and have been for a long time but there are different levels of bad. The Senedd is on another level. |
Westminster is worse than the Senedd, the standard of politician in Westminster is worse than the Senedd. |  |
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| Welsh independence on 17:03 - Jul 11 with 934 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Welsh independence on 16:46 - Jul 11 by trampie |
Westminster is worse than the Senedd, the standard of politician in Westminster is worse than the Senedd. |
Hardly setting the bar very high though. |  | | |
| Welsh independence on 17:07 - Jul 11 with 931 views | BryanSwan |
| Welsh independence on 15:34 - Jul 11 by Catullus |
I didn't ask for any comparisons, I asked what has improved in Wales since devolution. I have also pointd out that the Welsh NHS is worse than in England, Education is low down the PISA rankings, well below England and I know there are oters here who can add more things that have gotten worse too.
I won't try and argue that Westminster isn't bad, they are and have been for a long time but there are different levels of bad. The Senedd is on another level. |
I'm not going to bother keeping on replying, we both have pretty different views. I'm not going to convince you, nor you me.
Whether in or out of the UK I'm sure both of us just want Wales to be better. | |
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| Welsh independence on 17:49 - Jul 11 with 901 views | Gwyn737 |
| Welsh independence on 17:09 - Jul 10 by Catullus |
Here, that first line, it got past me first off but, what has anywhere not inWales got to do with it? I asked what in Wales has improved under the Senedd. Why indulge in whataboutery?
Besides, the English NHS, better than Wales. English Schools better than Wales. English infrastructure...has Westminster stopped investing in it like the Senedd has here in Wales? |
This is the crux of the argument for me.
20 years of devolution- what’s better? | | | |
| Welsh independence on 18:29 - Jul 11 with 876 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independence on 17:03 - Jul 11 by Treforys_Jack |
Hardly setting the bar very high though. |
That's the stock answer because he and others know there is no defence ,we're sleep walking into a economic and social disaster . | |
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| Welsh independence on 20:06 - Jul 11 with 828 views | blaenaugwentjack |
500 years of Westminster and what's improved? The standards , if you can call them standards in Westminster are at a all time low. More criminals in Westminster that our prisons. | | | |
| Welsh independence on 20:09 - Jul 11 with 827 views | Boundy |
| Welsh independence on 20:06 - Jul 11 by blaenaugwentjack |
500 years of Westminster and what's improved? The standards , if you can call them standards in Westminster are at a all time low. More criminals in Westminster that our prisons. |
So what's improved by having Welsh devolution? , I truly cannot think of one thing which has improved the living standards of the majority of Welsh people | |
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| Welsh independence on 20:11 - Jul 11 with 826 views | Catullus |
| Welsh independence on 16:46 - Jul 11 by trampie |
Westminster is worse than the Senedd, the standard of politician in Westminster is worse than the Senedd. |
No, the standard or person in the Senedd is better, fewer idiots but that doesn't make them better at their jobs as the evidence shows.
Drakeford is a nice bloke, decent if a tad misguided. Way better a person than Bojo ever was or ever could be but not a great leader.
Vaughn Gething seems i e enough, doesn't get into trouble but was useless health secretary, as was Drakers before him. | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:32 - Jul 11 with 782 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 17:49 - Jul 11 by Gwyn737 |
This is the crux of the argument for me.
20 years of devolution- what’s better? |
If the Barnett formula worked probably then Cymru would get a significant amount of extra money.
Welsh railways not devolved, why are the uk govt not fixing it ?
Why aren’t uk govt giving wales extra funding like N Ireland and Scotland for HS2 ?
Why doesn’t Cardiff Airport get to set passenger taxes, as in N Ireland and Scotland ?
Why isn’t Criminal Justice developed like Scotland, including police ?
Why does Cymru not get monies from Crown Estates, Scotland does.
Why does corp taxation raised in wales, get counted as English corp taxes
Why does the welsh water customers in wales pay more for welsh water than english customers ?
Why doesn’t uk govt make welsh coal tips safe ?
Why is westminster getting rid of 8 welsh mps ?
A lot needs sorting to give welsh govt the tools it needs to do the job.
Devo max is needed, probably Annibyniaeth ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ | |
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| Welsh independence on 22:36 - Jul 11 with 780 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence on 20:09 - Jul 11 by Boundy |
So what's improved by having Welsh devolution? , I truly cannot think of one thing which has improved the living standards of the majority of Welsh people |
Agreed, you cant think .. | |
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