| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 10:10 - Jan 22 with 6649 views | SwansIndependent |
 What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? 22nd Jan 2023 10:09Swansea City have three players who many supporters hope never play for the club again. The latest is Morgan Whittaker to join Michael Obafemi and Jamie Paterson. We will remain as professional as we can regards these three. Suffice to say they are unprofessional and are of no value to Swansea City and the travelling thousands who continue to support our club.  0
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:52 - Jan 23 with 1031 views | Fireboy2 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:41 - Jan 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I don’t feel sorry for Whittaker at all. He’s a professional being paid a significant amount of money to do a job he’s refusing to do. It’s his choice to act like a petulant little man child. It’s his choice to act completely unprofessionally. It’s all on him. |
This is exactly how I feel, if any of us real people did what these three imbeciles did we would get the sack. |  | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:09 - Jan 23 with 1013 views | Jack11 |
Agree fully with the points made here, if these guys care so much about leaving then cough up the shortfall between the valuations. Would Whittaker stump up the million or so difference? Until he’s prepared to do that, he needs to stop sulking and start acting professionally. | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:22 - Jan 23 with 975 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:09 - Jan 23 by Jack11 |
Agree fully with the points made here, if these guys care so much about leaving then cough up the shortfall between the valuations. Would Whittaker stump up the million or so difference? Until he’s prepared to do that, he needs to stop sulking and start acting professionally. |
Many great footballers have been sulked,egotists and dykewads but their effectiveness overrode that .
Whittaker is not a great player but one whom I believevCOULD really be of benefit to us . His attitude at Plymouth seems ok.
Unless employed at the club ,none of us can really know .
We just comment as we see it | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:33 - Jan 23 with 982 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:22 - Jan 23 by onehunglow |
Many great footballers have been sulked,egotists and dykewads but their effectiveness overrode that .
Whittaker is not a great player but one whom I believevCOULD really be of benefit to us . His attitude at Plymouth seems ok.
Unless employed at the club ,none of us can really know .
We just comment as we see it |
I believe you were a policeman ?
Not a dig at police BTW.
Imagine one day Sarge says " Right Richie I want you to patrol the patch by Albert Docks "
Your response is "Aw Sarge. I had a bad weekend. My head is in it today ? Can I sit this one out ?"
Does he answer
A) "Course lad. You take a seat and I will send PC Jones down the dock instead"
B) " You get your 'arris down the Albert Dock double quick or I will make your bad weekend look like a weekend in paradise by comparison"
I think we all know the answer.
As FB says above, any of us act like any of those three we would be on disciplinary or worse double quick |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:52 - Jan 23 with 939 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 09:33 - Jan 23 by STID2017 |
I believe you were a policeman ?
Not a dig at police BTW.
Imagine one day Sarge says " Right Richie I want you to patrol the patch by Albert Docks "
Your response is "Aw Sarge. I had a bad weekend. My head is in it today ? Can I sit this one out ?"
Does he answer
A) "Course lad. You take a seat and I will send PC Jones down the dock instead"
B) " You get your 'arris down the Albert Dock double quick or I will make your bad weekend look like a weekend in paradise by comparison"
I think we all know the answer.
As FB says above, any of us act like any of those three we would be on disciplinary or worse double quick |
Like Keith I was and a good thief taker and supervisory officer too.
I had some cretins in various crews and treated them fairly.
I was rather more quick tempered then and they knew I could make their working lives hell.
Quite easy then to transfer people.
I had 24 yrs doing other things which I enjoyed more
You ll have to wait for my book | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:14 - Jan 23 with 901 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 22:32 - Jan 22 by KeithHaynes |
I haven’t seen anything from Paterson when he has had a chance to get that slate clean. With Ogbeta, I’m unsure as to his ability as nobody has really seen him. I’m certain if he had the ability as he can play right wing back or whatever it’s called now he would have played. I’ve heard he wasn’t endorsed by the club wholly and Martin didn’t even know about it until it was too late to do a ‘Jenkins’ Although that shouldn’t mean he is ignored, my feelings are he isn’t good enough. On Flex, yes he should have had more game time, why I don’t know, maybe he just didn’t grasp the job he had to do ðŸ’ðŸ»â€â™€ï¸
Martin makes mistakes, he makes loads of mistakes, everybody does. But surely now there has to be a review at the end of the season ? Not now.
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By the end of the season it may well be too late and we have blown our best chance to get a shot at going up.
I think after a whole season of mediocrity last season and it being dubbed as a write off season, then we should be hitting the ground running this season. The time for judgement in my view is a continuous thing this year.
We have already seen this year as it rolls on we are losing Obafemi, losing Pato (whether that’s completely or just not being picked). Next year that may well be Piroe added on top and maybe even Grimes.
We have such a good core of players and it’s being wasted. He’s now been manager of us for 82 competitive games.
15th and 12th is not inspiring confidence.
Remember many started out with “judge after 10 games”, then “judge after 20 games”, then “two windows”, then “give him until the World Cup break”… We are now seeing “judge after 2 seasons”.
This continuous deferral of accountability or scrutiny can’t keep happening. |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:52 - Jan 23 with 897 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:14 - Jan 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
By the end of the season it may well be too late and we have blown our best chance to get a shot at going up.
I think after a whole season of mediocrity last season and it being dubbed as a write off season, then we should be hitting the ground running this season. The time for judgement in my view is a continuous thing this year.
We have already seen this year as it rolls on we are losing Obafemi, losing Pato (whether that’s completely or just not being picked). Next year that may well be Piroe added on top and maybe even Grimes.
We have such a good core of players and it’s being wasted. He’s now been manager of us for 82 competitive games.
15th and 12th is not inspiring confidence.
Remember many started out with “judge after 10 games”, then “judge after 20 games”, then “two windows”, then “give him until the World Cup break”… We are now seeing “judge after 2 seasons”.
This continuous deferral of accountability or scrutiny can’t keep happening. |
Morning Dr P.
I watched the Arse and Utd game yesterday and was struck by the fact ten years ago we were at this level of football. We actually beat the top six teams albeit occasionally and had the odd thrashing but at least we were there .
Looking at us now and the players and the bench we have ,it’s hard not to become profoundly sad at our demise which still gets less “ negativity than any other topic of discussion for fans . Our expectation have been manipulated at a premium grade which has been brilliant. Now ,we expect nothing at all and anyone seeing as having ambition for a little glory in the game is pilloried @s being entitled .
We are nowhere near to going anywhere near promotion.
Burnley are basically already up even 5iuh some on here though Kompany was a gamble . Yeah,really
They will be followed by Sheffield Utd and play offs will see the two clubs ,yo-yo clubs granted,that had the vision to replace the manager.
Roll on May and the end of the season and textile free BBQs with friends an£ neighbours and a hose pipe . | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:20 - Jan 23 with 898 views | pete |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 10:52 - Jan 23 by onehunglow |
Morning Dr P.
I watched the Arse and Utd game yesterday and was struck by the fact ten years ago we were at this level of football. We actually beat the top six teams albeit occasionally and had the odd thrashing but at least we were there .
Looking at us now and the players and the bench we have ,it’s hard not to become profoundly sad at our demise which still gets less “ negativity than any other topic of discussion for fans . Our expectation have been manipulated at a premium grade which has been brilliant. Now ,we expect nothing at all and anyone seeing as having ambition for a little glory in the game is pilloried @s being entitled .
We are nowhere near to going anywhere near promotion.
Burnley are basically already up even 5iuh some on here though Kompany was a gamble . Yeah,really
They will be followed by Sheffield Utd and play offs will see the two clubs ,yo-yo clubs granted,that had the vision to replace the manager.
Roll on May and the end of the season and textile free BBQs with friends an£ neighbours and a hose pipe . |
what you have to add in is Burnley have owners who care and are investing where we do not have that facilaty do we ?
Do you honestly think Kompany would have come here knowing what has happened to the 2 managers before him ?
Unless these owners change we have what we have and untill they leave this is it | | | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:35 - Jan 23 with 819 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:20 - Jan 23 by pete |
what you have to add in is Burnley have owners who care and are investing where we do not have that facilaty do we ?
Do you honestly think Kompany would have come here knowing what has happened to the 2 managers before him ?
Unless these owners change we have what we have and untill they leave this is it |
The detrimental effect Pato, Obafemi and now Whittaker is clear to see and still some on here insist on bringing it back to the manager.
If it were all down to him how come Fulton, Manning and Lati haven't down tools as well ?
Clearly the reason is the latter are grown up professionals while the former three are spoilt brats.
Why some posters try to paint it any other way is beyond me | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:31 - Jan 23 with 776 views | Fireboy2 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:35 - Jan 23 by STID2017 |
The detrimental effect Pato, Obafemi and now Whittaker is clear to see and still some on here insist on bringing it back to the manager.
If it were all down to him how come Fulton, Manning and Lati haven't down tools as well ?
Clearly the reason is the latter are grown up professionals while the former three are spoilt brats.
Why some posters try to paint it any other way is beyond me |
It's because they don't like Martin simple as.
Most swans fans give the manager time, unless the team are flouting relegation of course, there were alot of fans, as you know G, that weren't totally happy with the way we played on saturday BUT they kept shouting and bawling in support for the team they love. | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:15 - Jan 23 with 709 views | SullutaCreturned |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 16:31 - Jan 23 by Fireboy2 |
It's because they don't like Martin simple as.
Most swans fans give the manager time, unless the team are flouting relegation of course, there were alot of fans, as you know G, that weren't totally happy with the way we played on saturday BUT they kept shouting and bawling in support for the team they love. |
And I don't think anyone shouted louder than you yet earlier on in the pub you were asking questions of how things are. Exactly as it should be, support the team on the pitch and do your moaning in the pub...or on here  | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:41 - Jan 23 with 670 views | onehunglow |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 11:20 - Jan 23 by pete |
what you have to add in is Burnley have owners who care and are investing where we do not have that facilaty do we ?
Do you honestly think Kompany would have come here knowing what has happened to the 2 managers before him ?
Unless these owners change we have what we have and untill they leave this is it |
Fair point.
Makes it all the more upsetting | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:42 - Jan 23 with 671 views | Fireboy2 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:15 - Jan 23 by SullutaCreturned |
And I don't think anyone shouted louder than you yet earlier on in the pub you were asking questions of how things are. Exactly as it should be, support the team on the pitch and do your moaning in the pub...or on here |
Yes I was a bit irate when I found out about whittaker 😡 | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 21:16 - Jan 23 with 642 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 20:42 - Jan 23 by Fireboy2 |
Yes I was a bit irate when I found out about whittaker 😡 |
Too right as well.
Another one joins the other two taking the mickey out of the club and the fans | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:06 - Jan 23 with 589 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 14:35 - Jan 23 by STID2017 |
The detrimental effect Pato, Obafemi and now Whittaker is clear to see and still some on here insist on bringing it back to the manager.
If it were all down to him how come Fulton, Manning and Lati haven't down tools as well ?
Clearly the reason is the latter are grown up professionals while the former three are spoilt brats.
Why some posters try to paint it any other way is beyond me |
Nothing being painted, just stating the reality of the situation.
A lot of players don’t like Martin, this is causing issues. Some of it is his fault as he acts unprofessionally when he doesn’t like someone, and some of it is the players fault by reacting to him in that way.
To think either party is blameless is just silly. The list is growing of players who Russ falls out with, there is a reason for that. Never seen anything like it in my 30 years as a supporter, | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:10 - Jan 23 with 588 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:06 - Jan 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nothing being painted, just stating the reality of the situation.
A lot of players don’t like Martin, this is causing issues. Some of it is his fault as he acts unprofessionally when he doesn’t like someone, and some of it is the players fault by reacting to him in that way.
To think either party is blameless is just silly. The list is growing of players who Russ falls out with, there is a reason for that. Never seen anything like it in my 30 years as a supporter, |
Do you remember Frank Burrows ? 😉
Edit, thirty years would say not.
He had a way with him which would see the likes of these three soil their pants at the thought of seeing any man in a cap just in case it was him.
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:18 - Jan 23 with 562 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:10 - Jan 23 by KeithHaynes |
Do you remember Frank Burrows ? 😉
Edit, thirty years would say not.
He had a way with him which would see the likes of these three soil their pants at the thought of seeing any man in a cap just in case it was him.
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He was either the first manager there when I started or was the manager of Cardiff, can’t quite remember.
But yes, Clough is another. I know what it was like back then.
But football has moved on now as much as it’s annoying. Players have a load of money and a load of power and if they don’t like the way things are going they will say so. It’s about managing these people for the benefit of the club, this isn’t an issue that will go away, this is the game now.
If Russell doesn’t start trying to solve situations then these situations will follow him everywhere he goes and he will have millions of pounds worth of players wasting away as he freezes them out. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 06:14 - Jan 24 with 524 views | Boundy |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:18 - Jan 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
He was either the first manager there when I started or was the manager of Cardiff, can’t quite remember.
But yes, Clough is another. I know what it was like back then.
But football has moved on now as much as it’s annoying. Players have a load of money and a load of power and if they don’t like the way things are going they will say so. It’s about managing these people for the benefit of the club, this isn’t an issue that will go away, this is the game now.
If Russell doesn’t start trying to solve situations then these situations will follow him everywhere he goes and he will have millions of pounds worth of players wasting away as he freezes them out. |
Like spoilt children in the long run ,it doesn't pay to pander placate footballers as we're now seeing in society in general . Maybe he will earn the respect of those he manages in the future , he'd have mine , how about you ? | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 06:59 - Jan 24 with 512 views | STID2017 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 06:14 - Jan 24 by Boundy |
Like spoilt children in the long run ,it doesn't pay to pander placate footballers as we're now seeing in society in general . Maybe he will earn the respect of those he manages in the future , he'd have mine , how about you ? |
My guess is no.
Like myself with Cooper and others I know with Thomas Franke, once managers cross an invisible line, there is no return.
I feel this is the case for some on here with Martin.
Big difference is though, Martin is our manager and needs our support.
The others aren't, so whether they succeed or fail, it doesn't affect us.
As for the way he has handled the want away three, I am not sure he could have done any more.
Especially with Obafemi and Paterson. Their disruptive behaviour is unacceptable. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 07:46 - Jan 24 with 491 views | magicdaps10 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 23:10 - Jan 23 by KeithHaynes |
Do you remember Frank Burrows ? 😉
Edit, thirty years would say not.
He had a way with him which would see the likes of these three soil their pants at the thought of seeing any man in a cap just in case it was him.
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Remember him putting on sub Jason Bowen and then subbing him after 5 mins?
Jason didn't want to come off, Burrows went onto the pitch and took him by the year and hauled him off......he proceeded to give him a slap across his left cheek.
Bowen never sulked, took the hit and the advice and went on to make a point. Unfortunately these lads presently are doing far worse, getting away with a lot more and don't like to be told.
It beggers belief that some are even defending these spoilt clowns.........suppose its just the society of today, got help us what it's going to be like in another 20 years 🙈 |  |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 07:55 - Jan 24 with 487 views | magicdaps10 |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 06:14 - Jan 24 by Boundy |
Like spoilt children in the long run ,it doesn't pay to pander placate footballers as we're now seeing in society in general . Maybe he will earn the respect of those he manages in the future , he'd have mine , how about you ? |
Absolutely spot on, can always give something the benefit of the doubt but when it happens continually then the line most certainly have to be drawn.
Unfortunately, footballers are an asset and can't be got rid like in any other job......we are left with 2 extremly disfunction Al players who have caused chaos for fat too long, no way can you play soft on them or pander to them, start doing that and the situation within the club just goes downhill very quick and then there will be a genuine worry amongst all us fans. | |
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:05 - Jan 24 with 474 views | KeithHaynes |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 07:46 - Jan 24 by magicdaps10 |
Remember him putting on sub Jason Bowen and then subbing him after 5 mins?
Jason didn't want to come off, Burrows went onto the pitch and took him by the year and hauled him off......he proceeded to give him a slap across his left cheek.
Bowen never sulked, took the hit and the advice and went on to make a point. Unfortunately these lads presently are doing far worse, getting away with a lot more and don't like to be told.
It beggers belief that some are even defending these spoilt clowns.........suppose its just the society of today, got help us what it's going to be like in another 20 years 🙈 |
When we were doing Roger’s book he told us they lost at home and he shouted at them from the time they got in to the dressing room until half seven. They won the next four.
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| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:06 - Jan 24 with 469 views | RichardO |
Do you say to these type of players, ok if you don't want to play for us then stay away run down your contract.
With Paterson we set a precedence, he played well, we took the option on the contract he sign, he seeming had a strop and as a club, we relented, he got his contract updated.
Did he being older and having previous injury issues, just get what he wanted more money now towards the end of his career maybe more than he would have got anywhere else.
Doesn't seem to be a rush of clubs coming in for him.
Up to him now does he want to sulk or play football.
Can the younger players afford to spending a couple of years out of football taking the precedence Paterson has set trying to force things, not doing what you love to do.
Knowing that they won't play should make them think about their attitude while with the club and how as younger players both Whittaker and Obefemi could be wasting some of their valuable career time and actually tarnish their career being out of the spotlight, slipping down the pecking order, thinking things will be better somewhere else, instead of grabbing a chance to play.
Hopefully nobody being prepared to pay the asking price should put their feet back on the ground so they realise if they want something, they are going to have to work hard for it. | | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:17 - Jan 24 with 449 views | Whiterockin |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:06 - Jan 24 by RichardO |
Do you say to these type of players, ok if you don't want to play for us then stay away run down your contract.
With Paterson we set a precedence, he played well, we took the option on the contract he sign, he seeming had a strop and as a club, we relented, he got his contract updated.
Did he being older and having previous injury issues, just get what he wanted more money now towards the end of his career maybe more than he would have got anywhere else.
Doesn't seem to be a rush of clubs coming in for him.
Up to him now does he want to sulk or play football.
Can the younger players afford to spending a couple of years out of football taking the precedence Paterson has set trying to force things, not doing what you love to do.
Knowing that they won't play should make them think about their attitude while with the club and how as younger players both Whittaker and Obefemi could be wasting some of their valuable career time and actually tarnish their career being out of the spotlight, slipping down the pecking order, thinking things will be better somewhere else, instead of grabbing a chance to play.
Hopefully nobody being prepared to pay the asking price should put their feet back on the ground so they realise if they want something, they are going to have to work hard for it. |
Some players love the money and lifestyle more than the football, therein lies the problem. |  | | |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:33 - Jan 24 with 440 views | RichardO |
| What use are these Swansea City players to the supporters of the club ? on 08:17 - Jan 24 by Whiterockin |
Some players love the money and lifestyle more than the football, therein lies the problem. |
Would like to see a bit of loyalty shown to a team that takes chances on players.
Fair do to Connor Robert think he had a chance to move to the top flight a year earlier than he did but he stuck by us and developed himself into a better player, was unlucky not to be promoted with us and eventually we had more money for him, a benefit to both player and club.
Having said that the descion must have been easy for him knowing he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. | | | |
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