| Ariolla Leaves 15:42 - Mar 31 with 6304 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Obvious.
Cooper made it clear from the offset he didn’t want him. |  | | |  |
| Ariolla Leaves on 15:43 - Mar 31 with 1963 views | KeithHaynes |
Still injured too. |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 15:57 - Mar 31 with 1937 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 15:43 - Mar 31 by KeithHaynes |
Still injured too. |
When does their season start?
He’ll be fit for it | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:04 - Mar 31 with 1924 views | GeoffThom |
This smacks of Cooper and the board at loggerheads
Not good ,not good at all
Waste of a loan also |  | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:05 - Mar 31 with 1923 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:04 - Mar 31 by GeoffThom |
This smacks of Cooper and the board at loggerheads
Not good ,not good at all
Waste of a loan also |
No worries, Cooper can go. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:05 - Mar 31 with 1921 views | Badlands |
There are obviously other reasons why the loan hasn’t worked but after Cooper failed to get much joy from Gyökeres and Peterson (similar players) it seems like a move that suited no one. |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:06 - Mar 31 with 1921 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:04 - Mar 31 by GeoffThom |
This smacks of Cooper and the board at loggerheads
Not good ,not good at all
Waste of a loan also |
Always was the case with this signing, clear from the start. | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:09 - Mar 31 with 1914 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:05 - Mar 31 by 34dfgdf54 |
No worries, Cooper can go. |
Really ? | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:10 - Mar 31 with 1913 views | 34dfgdf54 |
If the relationship between board and Cooper has deteriorated as it seems since Birch has gone then a manager change is needed. ASAP | | | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:26 - Mar 31 with 1888 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:10 - Mar 31 by 34dfgdf54 |
If the relationship between board and Cooper has deteriorated as it seems since Birch has gone then a manager change is needed. ASAP |
If Cooper cannot accept the Swansea way of doing things then he must leave. The club has always had players picked by the manager and the club in cooperation. It worked well with Sousa Brendan Guidolin and Laudrup (with some issues) . Guidolin had never heard of Fer and Laudrup did not pick Bony.
The club gave Potter the recrutment responsibility and he left after 12 months with the whole recriutment team.
I imagine people like Donovan will be telling the owners Arriola was more thna good enough. Cooper even forgot about him in the presser. [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 16:27]
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:27 - Mar 31 with 1889 views | Dr_Winston |
We saw Cooper's mindset when he had a paddy about not getting the exact striker he wanted. Another of his England kids.
Bottom line is that managers don't get final say over who their teams sign any more. if Cooper struggles to get a tune out of players he hasn't worked with before then he's not going to be of much consequence as a manager in the long run. |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:37 - Mar 31 with 1871 views | Chief |
I notice people are taking an opportunity to take a pop at Cooper over this.
He's apparently injured, brought unwanted publicity and doesn't actually look very good. Plus there were rumours when he came that he'd only be here for a bit before going back prior to the MLS season starting again anyway. Its not going to be a great loss.
Cooper was prepared to give playing time to Morris prior to his injury which proves that he'll select players for the side that weren't necessarily his choices to be signed if they've got something to offer. Arriola evidently didn't.
Next. |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:43 - Mar 31 with 1840 views | onehunglow |
Another waste of a loan.
Morris would have been ok though.
People might be thinking Cooper really isn't what you see.
I pray he leaves us some time soon. Maybe then we can go back to supporting the team as opposed to supporting individuals who get criticised . Cooper is simply using our club as a stepping stone.
I trust not a word that comes outta his mouth |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 16:53 - Mar 31 with 1814 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:27 - Mar 31 by Dr_Winston |
We saw Cooper's mindset when he had a paddy about not getting the exact striker he wanted. Another of his England kids.
Bottom line is that managers don't get final say over who their teams sign any more. if Cooper struggles to get a tune out of players he hasn't worked with before then he's not going to be of much consequence as a manager in the long run. |
Whereas I agree with the more general point that managers cannot expect to have full control over transfers, there are two issues with this window that make it a little more complicated in my view.
One is that the manager HAS to have control over the positions signed. In other words, he can’t say I want that particular no 9 from x, but he should be able to say, I need a number 9.
Second is that there is a continuing mania from, presumably, our ownership, for increasing the links with the US. It’s the whole ‘America’s team’ bit. We saw it with the disastrous appointment of Bradley, which was so obviously shocking at the time it was unreal, we saw it with these players, we see it with the pointless shirt sleeve sponsor in the FA Cup, we see it with the PR stunts involving Landon Donovan.
They have to stop. It doesn’t work. The standard at which most of these players play is not high enough. No surprise to be honest that both picked up significant injuries - it can be a sign of the difference in physical intensity, games but also training.
What an absolute waste of loan spaces and money. We’re still in with a good shout, so let’s keep fingers crossed, but the decision to bring them over rather than get a centre forward in, may have cost them £120m. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:55 - Mar 31 with 1811 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:26 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If Cooper cannot accept the Swansea way of doing things then he must leave. The club has always had players picked by the manager and the club in cooperation. It worked well with Sousa Brendan Guidolin and Laudrup (with some issues) . Guidolin had never heard of Fer and Laudrup did not pick Bony.
The club gave Potter the recrutment responsibility and he left after 12 months with the whole recriutment team.
I imagine people like Donovan will be telling the owners Arriola was more thna good enough. Cooper even forgot about him in the presser. [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 16:27]
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In which case Donovan is wrong and god knows why anyone is listening to him. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:13 - Mar 31 with 1810 views | Fireboy2 |
All I can say is if a club doesnt listen to the manager or back him in regards to who he wanted to sign then why hire hire him as a manager in the first place.
That has always baffled me. [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 17:14]
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| Ariolla Leaves on 17:26 - Mar 31 with 1780 views | onehunglow |
If the manager is forced to accept players he does not want then he should quit .That way,he maintains his dignity and his gravitas. Cooper and Potter appear not to fall into that catagory.
I do not possibly see how o many -on here-can be as sanguine as they are reading this unmitigated dross that spouts from the mouth of Cooper and the nebulous drivel that comes from the Owners.
Shocking state really.
We are treated like mushrooms | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 17:38 - Mar 31 with 1783 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:26 - Mar 31 by onehunglow |
If the manager is forced to accept players he does not want then he should quit .That way,he maintains his dignity and his gravitas. Cooper and Potter appear not to fall into that catagory.
I do not possibly see how o many -on here-can be as sanguine as they are reading this unmitigated dross that spouts from the mouth of Cooper and the nebulous drivel that comes from the Owners.
Shocking state really.
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Managers always accept players they did not personally request. Guidolin a very experienced manager had never heard of Fer but was impressed with the player in training and played him. Guidolin did request Llorente and the club got him.
Cooper has not rotated some players who have had extra international work particularly Roberts Ayew and Guehi. Swansea s best players. They need to be in top form at the critical point of the seso. We will see if he was rght. | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 17:52 - Mar 31 with 1760 views | onehunglow |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:38 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Managers always accept players they did not personally request. Guidolin a very experienced manager had never heard of Fer but was impressed with the player in training and played him. Guidolin did request Llorente and the club got him.
Cooper has not rotated some players who have had extra international work particularly Roberts Ayew and Guehi. Swansea s best players. They need to be in top form at the critical point of the seso. We will see if he was rght. |
We will.
A decent reply anyway | |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 17:57 - Mar 31 with 1762 views | BillyChong |
| Ariolla Leaves on 16:53 - Mar 31 by londonlisa2001 |
Whereas I agree with the more general point that managers cannot expect to have full control over transfers, there are two issues with this window that make it a little more complicated in my view.
One is that the manager HAS to have control over the positions signed. In other words, he can’t say I want that particular no 9 from x, but he should be able to say, I need a number 9.
Second is that there is a continuing mania from, presumably, our ownership, for increasing the links with the US. It’s the whole ‘America’s team’ bit. We saw it with the disastrous appointment of Bradley, which was so obviously shocking at the time it was unreal, we saw it with these players, we see it with the pointless shirt sleeve sponsor in the FA Cup, we see it with the PR stunts involving Landon Donovan.
They have to stop. It doesn’t work. The standard at which most of these players play is not high enough. No surprise to be honest that both picked up significant injuries - it can be a sign of the difference in physical intensity, games but also training.
What an absolute waste of loan spaces and money. We’re still in with a good shout, so let’s keep fingers crossed, but the decision to bring them over rather than get a centre forward in, may have cost them £120m. |
Exactly this. How can we expect Cooper to fit square pegs into round holes just to suit the agenda of the Americans. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:59 - Mar 31 with 1754 views | BillyChong |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:38 - Mar 31 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Managers always accept players they did not personally request. Guidolin a very experienced manager had never heard of Fer but was impressed with the player in training and played him. Guidolin did request Llorente and the club got him.
Cooper has not rotated some players who have had extra international work particularly Roberts Ayew and Guehi. Swansea s best players. They need to be in top form at the critical point of the seso. We will see if he was rght. |
Where did Guidolin state he’d never heard of Fer? | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 18:11 - Mar 31 with 1744 views | jasper_T |
| Ariolla Leaves on 17:13 - Mar 31 by Fireboy2 |
All I can say is if a club doesnt listen to the manager or back him in regards to who he wanted to sign then why hire hire him as a manager in the first place.
That has always baffled me. [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 17:14]
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So the choice in your mind is give a manager complete control or don't have a manager at all?
Compromise between what a manager wants and what a club can/will provide is an inherent part of the relationship. All managers will have things they want or feel they need, but there's not many cases where a manager is given full control of a club these days, and for good reason. It's not their money, not their club, and they can be gone in a flash whether they succeed or fail.
The vast majority of managers can't look further than 6 months in the future, the pressure for immediate results is always on. There needs to be counterbalance to that short-term focus, and owners, chairmen, directors of football etc. provide that when they say no or bring in a different player sometimes. But you're obviously depending on those people being good at what they do. See: Marvin Emnes. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 18:23 - Mar 31 with 1728 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Arriola is a DC player who needed training during the MLS close season to continue his recuperation from a serious injury. He played a part in their last game of last season and needed training whilst his team mates were off season.
MLS season starts again soon and it is no surprise that he’s going back to join his team mates for their pre season.
Cooper wasn’t interested and I don’t particularly blame him. |  |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 18:29 - Mar 31 with 1701 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 18:11 - Mar 31 by jasper_T |
So the choice in your mind is give a manager complete control or don't have a manager at all?
Compromise between what a manager wants and what a club can/will provide is an inherent part of the relationship. All managers will have things they want or feel they need, but there's not many cases where a manager is given full control of a club these days, and for good reason. It's not their money, not their club, and they can be gone in a flash whether they succeed or fail.
The vast majority of managers can't look further than 6 months in the future, the pressure for immediate results is always on. There needs to be counterbalance to that short-term focus, and owners, chairmen, directors of football etc. provide that when they say no or bring in a different player sometimes. But you're obviously depending on those people being good at what they do. See: Marvin Emnes. |
There is a happy medium though. Backing a manager (which is what was said) is a long way from complete control.
And the issue with this particular compromise is that other factors appear to be playing a part.
Bradley. These two loans. The first was a fundamental part of the spiral that led us to relegation. The second may be a fundamental part of why we don’t go up, let’s hope not. But it would feel an awful lot more likely if we had an experienced number 9 and 10 in our ranks at the moment. Just have to hope that what we have stays fit and can remain sufficiently energetic to see out the last 9 games. | | | |
| Ariolla Leaves on 18:39 - Mar 31 with 1706 views | theloneranger |
It happens at far bigger clubs than ours ...
As Pocchetino said at Spurs before he was sacked ...
"The club should change my job title as I know nothing about any transfer activity and feel I am just a coach."
"I am not in charge and I know nothing about the situation of my players,” I am only coaching them and trying to get the best from them"
"Sell, buy players, sign contract, not sign contract — I think it is not in my hands, it’s in the club’s hands and Daniel Levy."
“The club need to change my title and description. Of course I am the boss deciding the strategic play, but in another area I don’t know."
"Today, I feel like I am the coach.” |  |
| Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎 |
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| Ariolla Leaves on 18:51 - Mar 31 with 1688 views | Fireboy2 |
| Ariolla Leaves on 18:29 - Mar 31 by londonlisa2001 |
There is a happy medium though. Backing a manager (which is what was said) is a long way from complete control.
And the issue with this particular compromise is that other factors appear to be playing a part.
Bradley. These two loans. The first was a fundamental part of the spiral that led us to relegation. The second may be a fundamental part of why we don’t go up, let’s hope not. But it would feel an awful lot more likely if we had an experienced number 9 and 10 in our ranks at the moment. Just have to hope that what we have stays fit and can remain sufficiently energetic to see out the last 9 games. |
Thanks Lisa, you answered jasper quite well and saved me doing it.
Although I see where jasper is coming from, surely as you say the club should back the manager upto a point. | | | |
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