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It's coming 05:15 - Sep 7 with 3058 viewsRonaldStump

Just been talking to a paramedic on night shift. says he along with many others in the NHS have refused the poison.
Said when they all get sacked there will be a massive awakening as they have nothing left to lose and will whistleblow the lot.
There is a lot of anger and it won't go unnoticed. They will reveal how empty the hospitals have been over the last 18 months.
There are many doctors refusing to give the booster clot shot in winter as they are afraid of what's coming in the courts.

Also said solicitors already arranged for when they get sacked.
Murky times ahead.
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It's coming on 07:15 - Sep 7 with 1885 viewsDr_Parnassus

Not had any of my shots yet, not really looked into the for or the against argument for it. Covid hasn't really existed in my country until recently, so now starting to think about it.

Would you mind giving me the arguments for not? Just go bullet points.

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It's coming on 09:22 - Sep 7 with 1795 viewscontroversial_jack

Not sure where you got that from. My wife works on the wards in Morriston and she hasn't heard anything like that.

Hospitals are not empty, there are two sections on one ward full of covid cases

Doctors don't give the jabs, nurses do

I call bullshit on that post!
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It's coming on 09:29 - Sep 7 with 1798 viewsProfessor

It's coming on 07:15 - Sep 7 by Dr_Parnassus

Not had any of my shots yet, not really looked into the for or the against argument for it. Covid hasn't really existed in my country until recently, so now starting to think about it.

Would you mind giving me the arguments for not? Just go bullet points.


Seriously.

Dependent on which vaccine

Astra Zeneca or J & J are viral vectors. An attenuated adenovirus which is engineered to express coronavirus spike protein.

Benefits

About 50% protection to infection with Delta Variant.
Around 85% protection to hospitalisation
90-95% reduction in mortality
Slight drop off in protection with time (probably better T cell immunity)


Negatives

Around 1 in 50,000 develop blood clots. Around 50-60 fatalities in 40 million doses- about 1 in 800,000. For comparison about 1 in 6 people hospitalised get severe blood clotting problems

Likely to get some post vaccine soreness and perhaps fever-like most vaccines to be honest

Can't be used on immunosuppressed individuals

Vector vaccines have been used for many years in the veterinary field, but relatively new to human use. Very good safety record.

Pfizer/Moderna


mRNA which leads to host producing coronavirus spike protein which is 'seen' as foreign and elicits immunity.

About 55% protection to infection
85-90% reduction is hospitalisation
About 95% reduction in mortality
Immunity wanes after about 6 months to less than the AZ vaccine


Negatives

Known to elicit allergic reactions in those susceptible to this
Increased myocarditis & pericarditis (inflammation of the heart) in around 1 in 12,000 boys and 1 in 100,000 girls. Transient in most cases and little or no issue in over 30s (actually a common viral complication)
Very rare cerebral clots (somewhere around 1 in 250,000)


There are little data on long term effects of RNA vaccines, but then there are not for Covid either.

In comparison to most vaccines these are relatively safe. Chances of dying from a vaccine complication at age 40-50 are around 1 in 1000,000. Chances of dying from Covid about 1 in 100 if infected.
The rest is tin foil hat nonsense
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It's coming on 09:42 - Sep 7 with 1786 viewsDr_Parnassus

It's coming on 09:29 - Sep 7 by Professor

Seriously.

Dependent on which vaccine

Astra Zeneca or J & J are viral vectors. An attenuated adenovirus which is engineered to express coronavirus spike protein.

Benefits

About 50% protection to infection with Delta Variant.
Around 85% protection to hospitalisation
90-95% reduction in mortality
Slight drop off in protection with time (probably better T cell immunity)


Negatives

Around 1 in 50,000 develop blood clots. Around 50-60 fatalities in 40 million doses- about 1 in 800,000. For comparison about 1 in 6 people hospitalised get severe blood clotting problems

Likely to get some post vaccine soreness and perhaps fever-like most vaccines to be honest

Can't be used on immunosuppressed individuals

Vector vaccines have been used for many years in the veterinary field, but relatively new to human use. Very good safety record.

Pfizer/Moderna


mRNA which leads to host producing coronavirus spike protein which is 'seen' as foreign and elicits immunity.

About 55% protection to infection
85-90% reduction is hospitalisation
About 95% reduction in mortality
Immunity wanes after about 6 months to less than the AZ vaccine


Negatives

Known to elicit allergic reactions in those susceptible to this
Increased myocarditis & pericarditis (inflammation of the heart) in around 1 in 12,000 boys and 1 in 100,000 girls. Transient in most cases and little or no issue in over 30s (actually a common viral complication)
Very rare cerebral clots (somewhere around 1 in 250,000)


There are little data on long term effects of RNA vaccines, but then there are not for Covid either.

In comparison to most vaccines these are relatively safe. Chances of dying from a vaccine complication at age 40-50 are around 1 in 1000,000. Chances of dying from Covid about 1 in 100 if infected.
The rest is tin foil hat nonsense


Interesting, thanks.

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It's coming on 09:54 - Sep 7 with 1778 viewsProfessor

It's coming on 09:42 - Sep 7 by Dr_Parnassus

Interesting, thanks.


No problem-DM if you want any specifics. Although bacterial immunity is my area, I can find out most things easily from a reliable source (colleagues who work on this)
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It's coming on 09:54 - Sep 7 with 1778 views1983

Just been talking to a paramedic on night shift. says he along with many others in the NHS have refused the poison.
Said when they all get sacked there will be a massive awakening as they have nothing left to lose and will whistleblow the lot.
There is a lot of anger and it won't go unnoticed. They will reveal how empty the hospitals have been over the last 18 months.
There are many doctors refusing to give the booster clot shot in winter as they are afraid of what's coming in the courts.

Also said solicitors already arranged for when they get sacked.
Murky times ahead.
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Wow all that info from 1 Paramedic did you ask the newsagent for the winning lottery numbers for tomorrows euro's as well?

horsesh1t


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It's coming on 09:55 - Sep 7 with 1775 viewsDr_Parnassus

It's coming on 09:54 - Sep 7 by Professor

No problem-DM if you want any specifics. Although bacterial immunity is my area, I can find out most things easily from a reliable source (colleagues who work on this)


I will take you up on that, cheers.

DM incoming.

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It's coming on 10:09 - Sep 7 with 1761 viewsmax936

Well my lad is in Moriston hospital non covid related and I can tell you that it's manic there and there are far to many covid patients being admitted. 3rd wave is well and truly underway.

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It's coming on 10:32 - Sep 7 with 1741 viewsYrAlarch

It's coming on 10:09 - Sep 7 by max936

Well my lad is in Moriston hospital non covid related and I can tell you that it's manic there and there are far to many covid patients being admitted. 3rd wave is well and truly underway.


It would be interesting to know how many of those covid patients have not been vaccinated and then how many of them subsequently die whilst being treated. That would perhaps give some indication of the effectiveness of the vaccine both in terms of protection and mortality.
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It's coming on 10:32 - Sep 7 with 1741 viewsCountyJim

This thread is BS I'm a rep for unison we've had meetings with management at local and national level

There's no threats been issued
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It's coming on 10:44 - Sep 7 with 1716 viewspikeypaul

Ive had cause to visit Singleton Hospital with a neighbour a few times the last 9 months (not Covid related)

It’s been like a ghost town.

I think a lot of public sector workers have got in the habit of doing feck all the last 18 months,it’s strange how the likez of the DVLA so called workers use any excuse to do feck all and strike if they are asked to get within 8 feet of someone in work,but don’t care at all in sitting next to someone screaming or shouting at a sporting event or smashing it on the pi55 down wind street amongst 1000s.

They all think getting full pay for doing jack shite is the way it should be for ever more.

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It's coming on 11:37 - Sep 7 with 1672 viewsScotia

It's coming on 10:32 - Sep 7 by YrAlarch

It would be interesting to know how many of those covid patients have not been vaccinated and then how many of them subsequently die whilst being treated. That would perhaps give some indication of the effectiveness of the vaccine both in terms of protection and mortality.


It seems pretty conclusive that the vast majority are unvaccinated.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/aneurin-bevan-health-board-flips-21500

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/hospital-plea-five-six-patients-214914

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58465147
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It's coming on 11:41 - Sep 7 with 1669 viewscontroversial_jack

It's coming on 10:44 - Sep 7 by pikeypaul

Ive had cause to visit Singleton Hospital with a neighbour a few times the last 9 months (not Covid related)

It’s been like a ghost town.

I think a lot of public sector workers have got in the habit of doing feck all the last 18 months,it’s strange how the likez of the DVLA so called workers use any excuse to do feck all and strike if they are asked to get within 8 feet of someone in work,but don’t care at all in sitting next to someone screaming or shouting at a sporting event or smashing it on the pi55 down wind street amongst 1000s.

They all think getting full pay for doing jack shite is the way it should be for ever more.


You wouldn't see what's happening on the wards as they are out of bounds, especially the covid ones.
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It's coming on 11:46 - Sep 7 with 1668 viewsmax936

It's coming on 10:32 - Sep 7 by YrAlarch

It would be interesting to know how many of those covid patients have not been vaccinated and then how many of them subsequently die whilst being treated. That would perhaps give some indication of the effectiveness of the vaccine both in terms of protection and mortality.


I wouldn't be able to find that information out, only one of us is allowed to be at lads bedside, annoying and frustrating.

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It's coming on 11:52 - Sep 7 with 1661 viewsmax936

It's coming on 10:44 - Sep 7 by pikeypaul

Ive had cause to visit Singleton Hospital with a neighbour a few times the last 9 months (not Covid related)

It’s been like a ghost town.

I think a lot of public sector workers have got in the habit of doing feck all the last 18 months,it’s strange how the likez of the DVLA so called workers use any excuse to do feck all and strike if they are asked to get within 8 feet of someone in work,but don’t care at all in sitting next to someone screaming or shouting at a sporting event or smashing it on the pi55 down wind street amongst 1000s.

They all think getting full pay for doing jack shite is the way it should be for ever more.


Take a trip up to Morriston, to A&E its manic there, can't imagine Singleton is like a ghost town at the moment either

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It's coming on 12:27 - Sep 7 with 1631 viewsCatullus

It's coming on 11:41 - Sep 7 by controversial_jack

You wouldn't see what's happening on the wards as they are out of bounds, especially the covid ones.


This 100%. Also they still aren't doing routine face to face appointments unless absolutely necessary. I had a zoom appointment with a physio recently, that's pretty much standard right now and I haven't seen my GP face to face in 18 months. The only times I've been in hospital is for x rays, blood tests and my operation. NPT seems like a ghost town unless you go on a ward.

I'll also add that SBUHB has announced 800 new cases of covid in the last few days. Morriston is indeed very busy everywhere apart from outpatients, again because they aren't doing face to face appointments unless they really have to. For example, I have a face to face with my specialist on the 20th as a follow up to my hip replacement.

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It's coming on 13:06 - Sep 7 with 1594 viewsYrAlarch

It's coming on 11:37 - Sep 7 by Scotia

It seems pretty conclusive that the vast majority are unvaccinated.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/aneurin-bevan-health-board-flips-21500

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/hospital-plea-five-six-patients-214914

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-58465147


Thanks for the links.
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It's coming on 14:53 - Sep 7 with 1522 viewspikeypaul

It's coming on 11:52 - Sep 7 by max936

Take a trip up to Morriston, to A&E its manic there, can't imagine Singleton is like a ghost town at the moment either


Morriston A&E has been manic for 20 odd years.

I took my neighbour to Singleton 3 weeks back, from the main entrance up to ward 6 through the corridors we saw 2 people on the entire walk,it was eerie

Next to nothing is going on in there.it was eerie in there.

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It's coming on 14:57 - Sep 7 with 1524 viewsmax936

It's coming on 14:53 - Sep 7 by pikeypaul

Morriston A&E has been manic for 20 odd years.

I took my neighbour to Singleton 3 weeks back, from the main entrance up to ward 6 through the corridors we saw 2 people on the entire walk,it was eerie

Next to nothing is going on in there.it was eerie in there.


Wish my lad was there then, he went there before when he had a bad chest infection, so l don’t see why he couldn’t have gone there.

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It's coming on 16:37 - Sep 7 with 1454 viewsBoundy

It's coming on 14:53 - Sep 7 by pikeypaul

Morriston A&E has been manic for 20 odd years.

I took my neighbour to Singleton 3 weeks back, from the main entrance up to ward 6 through the corridors we saw 2 people on the entire walk,it was eerie

Next to nothing is going on in there.it was eerie in there.


You wouldn't expect to see open heart or another surgery taking place on the corridors , try walking into any ward and I think you'll find you can't .

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It's coming on 17:06 - Sep 7 with 1423 viewsWhiterockin

I can't believe that any of you take any notice of what Stump says. Always on a wind up and looking for a reaction. Don't waste your time.
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It's coming on 17:12 - Sep 7 with 1411 viewsBrynmill_Jack

It's coming on 14:57 - Sep 7 by max936

Wish my lad was there then, he went there before when he had a bad chest infection, so l don’t see why he couldn’t have gone there.


Would make a lot of sense to use one hospital as covid only. Perhaps it should be Singleton as Morriston has the A and E

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It's coming on 17:40 - Sep 7 with 1387 viewsmajorraglan

It's coming on 12:27 - Sep 7 by Catullus

This 100%. Also they still aren't doing routine face to face appointments unless absolutely necessary. I had a zoom appointment with a physio recently, that's pretty much standard right now and I haven't seen my GP face to face in 18 months. The only times I've been in hospital is for x rays, blood tests and my operation. NPT seems like a ghost town unless you go on a ward.

I'll also add that SBUHB has announced 800 new cases of covid in the last few days. Morriston is indeed very busy everywhere apart from outpatients, again because they aren't doing face to face appointments unless they really have to. For example, I have a face to face with my specialist on the 20th as a follow up to my hip replacement.


It’s a similar story in West Wales. Glangwili have closed 1 ward and there are restrictions on others re Covid outbreaks. Visiting is restricted and movements are limited to prevent cross contamination. Staffing levels are stretched as are services.
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It's coming on 18:11 - Sep 7 with 1357 viewsmax936

It's coming on 17:12 - Sep 7 by Brynmill_Jack

Would make a lot of sense to use one hospital as covid only. Perhaps it should be Singleton as Morriston has the A and E


Not when my lad is there, Brynnie, call me selfish

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It's coming on 18:23 - Sep 7 with 1342 viewsTreforys_Jack

OP has got you all biting again, bloke is a 100% troll, ignore is the answer.
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