| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... 09:32 - Apr 7 with 3413 views | Lohengrin |
So despite all the incessant media babble about Mosley’s ‘extremism,’ and Foot’s ‘suicide note’ it turns out they were right all along, as were the constant Jeremiads delivered on-line by the likes of me. Is there anybody reading this today, even those who were formerly the most rabid believers in globalism, who don’t now recognise the central importance of maintaining and developing domestic productive capacity? |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:34 - Apr 7 with 2615 views | sainthelens |
You need to write that in layman's terms. |  | | |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:35 - Apr 7 with 2608 views | Best_loser |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:34 - Apr 7 by sainthelens |
You need to write that in layman's terms. |
He means we should be making more of our own stuff |  | | |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:39 - Apr 7 with 2594 views | 3swan |
You don't need to have extreme views to believe a country needs to be as close to self sufficient in the basics. Public services food and jobs. |  | | |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:41 - Apr 7 with 2586 views | monmouth |
I'd add energy security and water security to that too.
Thank god we've taken back control. |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:55 - Apr 7 with 2537 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 09:41 - Apr 7 by monmouth |
I'd add energy security and water security to that too.
Thank god we've taken back control. |
I'd add in steel.
Mosley and Foot an unlikely double act. |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 10:02 - Apr 7 with 2518 views | WxmJax |
If I think you're saying, in plain English, that we should have a bigger manufacturing base in this country and look after it then yes I agree. I've been saying it for at least 30 years, it's not exactly rocket science, but sadly governments, mostly Tory, have been happy to see manufacturing decline. It is a lot easier to make people redundant in this country than others and so multi-national companies usually close down sites here and move them to Europe, India and beyond. That's your tories for you in a nutshell, it began with Thatcher. [Post edited 7 Apr 2020 10:05]
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 10:58 - Apr 7 with 2412 views | Kerouac |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 10:02 - Apr 7 by WxmJax |
If I think you're saying, in plain English, that we should have a bigger manufacturing base in this country and look after it then yes I agree. I've been saying it for at least 30 years, it's not exactly rocket science, but sadly governments, mostly Tory, have been happy to see manufacturing decline. It is a lot easier to make people redundant in this country than others and so multi-national companies usually close down sites here and move them to Europe, India and beyond. That's your tories for you in a nutshell, it began with Thatcher. [Post edited 7 Apr 2020 10:05]
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See that steep drop between 1996 and 2009?
They were the Blair years.
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 11:46 - Apr 7 with 2372 views | Highjack |
Who needs to make stuff when we have call centres and insurance companies said nobody ever. |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 12:45 - Apr 7 with 2322 views | Catullus |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 10:02 - Apr 7 by WxmJax |
If I think you're saying, in plain English, that we should have a bigger manufacturing base in this country and look after it then yes I agree. I've been saying it for at least 30 years, it's not exactly rocket science, but sadly governments, mostly Tory, have been happy to see manufacturing decline. It is a lot easier to make people redundant in this country than others and so multi-national companies usually close down sites here and move them to Europe, India and beyond. That's your tories for you in a nutshell, it began with Thatcher. [Post edited 7 Apr 2020 10:05]
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Every country should be as self sufficient as possible, we can import the nice stuff all we like but for basic foodstuffs, clothes, the daily essentials we need to be producing as much as possible in our own country.
The utilities should be state owned and not for profit.
No that doesn't mean closed borders, stop immigrantion etc it just means being able to provide for ourselves. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 12:57 - Apr 7 with 2312 views | Ebo |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 10:58 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
See that steep drop between 1996 and 2009?
They were the Blair years.
Glad to help
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Also the start of the rise of next-generation technology. |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 14:33 - Apr 7 with 2250 views | Kerouac |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 12:57 - Apr 7 by Ebo |
Also the start of the rise of next-generation technology. |
No comment on Labour Party vs Tories records?
Manufacturing under Labour
1974 - £162bn
1979 - £161bn
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1996 - £186bn
2010 - £142bn
Total = - £45bn
Manufacturing under Conservatives
1970 - £155bn
1974 - £160bn
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Under Thatcher
1979 - £161bn
1997 - £186bn
Total = + £30bn
Come on, let's hear your excuses... | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:26 - Apr 7 with 2210 views | Kilkennyjack |
Well .....
I agree that Thatcher killed lots of the organisations that helped Britain function - british coal, british Steel, british telecomms, british gas, british airways, british rail, water, electricity, nuclear ... all thrown on the scrap .... along with peoples lives and futures ... none has been good.
Much of this privatised and therefore chases the lowest costs.
This then means coal from Poland, steel from China etc etc
Reduce costs and make more money. Repeat.
Its killed the planet as well as shittting on all the good people involved.
I think there needs to be a balance though, IT is huge value to all aspects of our daily lives now and to ignore the global direction makes zero sense.
Power to the people .... ✊🾠|  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:39 - Apr 7 with 2176 views | Darran |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:26 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Well .....
I agree that Thatcher killed lots of the organisations that helped Britain function - british coal, british Steel, british telecomms, british gas, british airways, british rail, water, electricity, nuclear ... all thrown on the scrap .... along with peoples lives and futures ... none has been good.
Much of this privatised and therefore chases the lowest costs.
This then means coal from Poland, steel from China etc etc
Reduce costs and make more money. Repeat.
Its killed the planet as well as shittting on all the good people involved.
I think there needs to be a balance though, IT is huge value to all aspects of our daily lives now and to ignore the global direction makes zero sense.
Power to the people .... ✊🾠|
I remember a bloke saying on here that he had a great time when he was a policeman under Thatcher because he earned lots of money in overtime beating up South Wales miners. |  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:45 - Apr 7 with 2166 views | Kerouac |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:26 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Well .....
I agree that Thatcher killed lots of the organisations that helped Britain function - british coal, british Steel, british telecomms, british gas, british airways, british rail, water, electricity, nuclear ... all thrown on the scrap .... along with peoples lives and futures ... none has been good.
Much of this privatised and therefore chases the lowest costs.
This then means coal from Poland, steel from China etc etc
Reduce costs and make more money. Repeat.
Its killed the planet as well as shittting on all the good people involved.
I think there needs to be a balance though, IT is huge value to all aspects of our daily lives now and to ignore the global direction makes zero sense.
Power to the people .... ✊🾠|
Why did UK manufacturing shrink under the Labour Party and grow under the Conservatives?
Go ahead... | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 16:22 - Apr 7 with 2148 views | Catullus |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:45 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
Why did UK manufacturing shrink under the Labour Party and grow under the Conservatives?
Go ahead... |
To people like Kilk that's an inconvenient truth.
It's the same as with the NHS though, both Labour and Tory are guilty to varying degrees. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 19:44 - Apr 7 with 2074 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:45 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
Why did UK manufacturing shrink under the Labour Party and grow under the Conservatives?
Go ahead... |
Thatcher is guilty as charged.
Nobody else sold off the lot.
‘No such thing as society’ ... remember that.
Totally indifferent to the futures of hard working people.
All people wanted was the basics like water, electricity, gas, and maybe reliable trains.
Lets be honest having suppliers compete to supply you on the very same infrastructure is a bit strange... a game ?
NHS was next up, and social care was ripped up.
Civil Service was privatised, i am surprised the army and police survived.
An legacy of evil. Feck the Tories. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 19:53 - Apr 7 with 2062 views | Kerouac |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 19:44 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Thatcher is guilty as charged.
Nobody else sold off the lot.
‘No such thing as society’ ... remember that.
Totally indifferent to the futures of hard working people.
All people wanted was the basics like water, electricity, gas, and maybe reliable trains.
Lets be honest having suppliers compete to supply you on the very same infrastructure is a bit strange... a game ?
NHS was next up, and social care was ripped up.
Civil Service was privatised, i am surprised the army and police survived.
An legacy of evil. Feck the Tories. |
Jesus f*cking Christ.
Address the question. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 20:47 - Apr 7 with 2027 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 19:53 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
Jesus f*cking Christ.
Address the question. |
I don't care about the question ... you answer it if you wish ...
Public ownership of key public services is essential.
Thatcher was wrong. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 23:13 - Apr 7 with 1969 views | Kerouac |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 20:47 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
I don't care about the question ... you answer it if you wish ...
Public ownership of key public services is essential.
Thatcher was wrong. |
...and there you have it ladies and gentleman. | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 01:08 - Apr 8 with 1924 views | NotLoyal |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:26 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Well .....
I agree that Thatcher killed lots of the organisations that helped Britain function - british coal, british Steel, british telecomms, british gas, british airways, british rail, water, electricity, nuclear ... all thrown on the scrap .... along with peoples lives and futures ... none has been good.
Much of this privatised and therefore chases the lowest costs.
This then means coal from Poland, steel from China etc etc
Reduce costs and make more money. Repeat.
Its killed the planet as well as shittting on all the good people involved.
I think there needs to be a balance though, IT is huge value to all aspects of our daily lives now and to ignore the global direction makes zero sense.
Power to the people .... ✊🾠|
Thing is a lot of the people who watch morning TV would have been once classed as working class, but they don't give a Fck as long as free stuff turns up weekly and they don't have to sweat to get it.
It's a type of socialism for lazy cnts👠|  |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 14:03 - Apr 8 with 1835 views | Catullus |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 19:44 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Thatcher is guilty as charged.
Nobody else sold off the lot.
‘No such thing as society’ ... remember that.
Totally indifferent to the futures of hard working people.
All people wanted was the basics like water, electricity, gas, and maybe reliable trains.
Lets be honest having suppliers compete to supply you on the very same infrastructure is a bit strange... a game ?
NHS was next up, and social care was ripped up.
Civil Service was privatised, i am surprised the army and police survived.
An legacy of evil. Feck the Tories. |
How about looking at the full text of Thatchers speech, not just a snall bit taken and used by her political enemies,
https://www.thedailybeast.com/
Lets remember too, it was Blair who continued to privatise and who accelerated the PFI schemes that cause the NHS so much pain today.
Thatcher isn't the only one to blame but maybe we should be looking forwards and trying to fix it rather than constantly harping on about the past?
Take pollution, if Covid-19 has helped sho anything beyond doubt it's that we use our cars too often, NO2 is down 60% on the same time last year (in some areas) and can anyone say that's bad? Covid obviously is bad btw, before anyone chimes in! | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 14:06 - Apr 8 with 1831 views | Highjack |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 23:13 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
...and there you have it ladies and gentleman. |
Did you just assume our gender? | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 14:11 - Apr 8 with 1826 views | Catullus |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 14:06 - Apr 8 by Highjack |
Did you just assume our gender? |
Do we need to start calling you 'they'? | |
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| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:16 - Apr 8 with 1789 views | LeonWasGod |
That's a bit of a binary view isn't it? You can have a much larger manufacturing sector than ours whilst still embracing globalism. Germany manage it. Which probably proves that yes, there are people in the UK who still don't recognise the importance of it. I doubt they'll be reading this though. |  | | |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:48 - Apr 8 with 1770 views | LeonWasGod |
| Mosley, Foot and the likes of me... on 15:45 - Apr 7 by Kerouac |
Why did UK manufacturing shrink under the Labour Party and grow under the Conservatives?
Go ahead... |
There'll be books a plenty written about this I'm sure, none of which I've read. But I wonder what the impact of China taking off in the mid 90s has been. It's briefly mentioned in the site where you got that graph from:
https://fullfact.org/economy/d
Which brings us back round full circle to Loh's OP. Is reliance on China part of the problem, and if so why did we go down that route and not look to support our manufacturing more like Germany?
I'm tempted to say it's consumer driven. Britain's a 'pile it high, sell it cheap' kind of place. We'd rather snap up cheap tatt than save for something a bit better. But that may only be a small part of the answer, or completely wrong. Feck knows. | | | |
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