| Redeveloping Loftus Road 15:53 - Jul 8 with 8558 views | BAWHoops |
I know, I know... this old chestnut again.
But is there no way whatsoever that we can't knock down the stands we have and rebuild them in some capacity to create a more modern and larger stadium?
We seem to want to move to a new location to build a 30k seater stadium, but isn't there something to be said for redeveloping LR to 20-25k instead?
I am aware you would have to dig down to lower the whole thing in order to increase the size |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:15 - Jul 9 with 2009 views | Newhopphoops |
If they lowered the pitch while keeping the same playing area, we could live without being able to see the action, but how would the players get in and out?
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:21 - Jul 9 with 2003 views | Juzzie |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 09:45 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
If we had bought the land presumably that would have included the school and the houses behind the school too. If we had that land you'd only need about 10 houses along Ellerslie Rd between the School End entrance and the Ellerslie Rd entrance to create a footprint big enough for a new stadium. |
Again, people talk about buying up the houses as though it's something that can be done just by clicking your fingers.
It's not 10 houses, they are mainly flats owned by all manner of people. Some will be lived in by the owners, some will be tenants (possibly private or council, or both).
Based on, say, 3 flats per house those 10 buildings could be up to 30 individual properties. That's 30 landlords, 30 solicitors and so on. If you talk about the stretch of Ellerslie Road that runs from the turnstiles to Loftus Road that's probably another 20 houses meaning another 60 lots of landlords, solicitors etc.
If anyone has sold & bought property they'll know how stressful and complex that is. Multiply that by nearly 100 and it's complete logistical nightmare.
You'd need a whole team of people working on it and all you need is one landlord/tenant to say 'no' (and it'll probably me more than that) and it all drags on with compulsory purchase, relocation etc and that's even if that's allowed, it may get blocked at the Courts. Game over. |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:32 - Jul 9 with 1955 views | nadera78 |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:21 - Jul 9 by Juzzie |
Again, people talk about buying up the houses as though it's something that can be done just by clicking your fingers.
It's not 10 houses, they are mainly flats owned by all manner of people. Some will be lived in by the owners, some will be tenants (possibly private or council, or both).
Based on, say, 3 flats per house those 10 buildings could be up to 30 individual properties. That's 30 landlords, 30 solicitors and so on. If you talk about the stretch of Ellerslie Road that runs from the turnstiles to Loftus Road that's probably another 20 houses meaning another 60 lots of landlords, solicitors etc.
If anyone has sold & bought property they'll know how stressful and complex that is. Multiply that by nearly 100 and it's complete logistical nightmare.
You'd need a whole team of people working on it and all you need is one landlord/tenant to say 'no' (and it'll probably me more than that) and it all drags on with compulsory purchase, relocation etc and that's even if that's allowed, it may get blocked at the Courts. Game over. |
IIRC it took Liverpool 10 years to purchase all the houses they needed backing onto their main stand. That meant that for many years loads of them were empty and boarded up whilst some people held out. And then it took another few years to get planning permission and sort the finances and finally demolish them and build the new stand. As much as I'd love to stay at Loftus Rd it's just not feasible.
The irony is, the club owned all the houses behind both Ellerslie Rd and Loftus Rd stands but sold them off in the 1940s and 50s because we were broke. This club of ours has never had any money (well, except for when Ecclestone, etc turned up and look how that turned out). |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:49 - Jul 9 with 1920 views | QPR_Jim |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:21 - Jul 9 by Juzzie |
Again, people talk about buying up the houses as though it's something that can be done just by clicking your fingers.
It's not 10 houses, they are mainly flats owned by all manner of people. Some will be lived in by the owners, some will be tenants (possibly private or council, or both).
Based on, say, 3 flats per house those 10 buildings could be up to 30 individual properties. That's 30 landlords, 30 solicitors and so on. If you talk about the stretch of Ellerslie Road that runs from the turnstiles to Loftus Road that's probably another 20 houses meaning another 60 lots of landlords, solicitors etc.
If anyone has sold & bought property they'll know how stressful and complex that is. Multiply that by nearly 100 and it's complete logistical nightmare.
You'd need a whole team of people working on it and all you need is one landlord/tenant to say 'no' (and it'll probably me more than that) and it all drags on with compulsory purchase, relocation etc and that's even if that's allowed, it may get blocked at the Courts. Game over. |
Well it doesn't really matter because we didn't buy the land behind the School End, so you're talking about hypothetically buying them in the early 90's. Would they have been flats then? Also technically 1 landlord could own the freehold for all 3 flats in one building and even multiple buildings.
Not that any of it maters, my point was simply that we wouldn't need all of the houses along Ellerslie Rd only about 1/3 if we had the land behind the School End. I'm also not saying it would be easy but in time you would assume it possible to do. Certainly would have been easier then rather than now. |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:59 - Jul 9 with 1910 views | Juzzie |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:49 - Jul 9 by QPR_Jim |
Well it doesn't really matter because we didn't buy the land behind the School End, so you're talking about hypothetically buying them in the early 90's. Would they have been flats then? Also technically 1 landlord could own the freehold for all 3 flats in one building and even multiple buildings.
Not that any of it maters, my point was simply that we wouldn't need all of the houses along Ellerslie Rd only about 1/3 if we had the land behind the School End. I'm also not saying it would be easy but in time you would assume it possible to do. Certainly would have been easier then rather than now. |
Yes, I agree about 1 landlord could hold the freehold for more properties but that's all drilling down to finer details.
The point is that whatever way you cook it, it's just a 'mare and not possible. Sorry, my original comment wasn't directed at you (I should have clicked reply rather than reply-with-quote) but just a general frustration as I have seen so many people casually say 'just buy the houses'. Yeah, it's that easy isn't it! | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 11:25 - Jul 9 with 1874 views | QPR_Jim |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:59 - Jul 9 by Juzzie |
Yes, I agree about 1 landlord could hold the freehold for more properties but that's all drilling down to finer details.
The point is that whatever way you cook it, it's just a 'mare and not possible. Sorry, my original comment wasn't directed at you (I should have clicked reply rather than reply-with-quote) but just a general frustration as I have seen so many people casually say 'just buy the houses'. Yeah, it's that easy isn't it! |
Fair enough, I do agree with your point that it's not easy and unlikely to ever come about barring something dramatic happening, so I can't see us ever being able to redevelop LR.
Now what with Covid effecting peoples shopping habits we may be able to pick up the Westfield Site on the cheap....  | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 12:44 - Jul 9 with 1784 views | kensalriser |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:11 - Jul 9 by CamberleyR |
In answer to the OP, as the club have stated themselves, if any of the existing stands were knocked down to be rebuilt, they would have to meet modern ground regulations/building regulations which means providing more space within the stand. The current stands if rebuilt would have a combined capacity of 12000 at the most optimistic.
It cannot be redeveloped. |
Can this be pinned in perpetuity?
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IT CANNOT BE FCKN REDEVELOPED. |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 12:47 - Jul 9 with 1775 views | francisbowles |
Aside from anything else there is a housing shortage. Unless post covid everyone wants to move out of the city, it is going to be very difficult convincing planners to knock down housing. | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:16 - Jul 9 with 1737 views | bosh67 |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 12:47 - Jul 9 by francisbowles |
Aside from anything else there is a housing shortage. Unless post covid everyone wants to move out of the city, it is going to be very difficult convincing planners to knock down housing. |
I don't agree. It is safer for people to live outdoors! I would willingly knock my house down if it helped expand Loftus Road. And I don't even live in the area! That's how committed I am... Or.... how committed I should be? |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:41 - Jul 9 with 1701 views | Mick_S |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:15 - Jul 9 by Newhopphoops |
If they lowered the pitch while keeping the same playing area, we could live without being able to see the action, but how would the players get in and out?
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I've heard they are looking in to it. |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:41 - Jul 9 with 1698 views | R_from_afar |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 12:44 - Jul 9 by kensalriser |
Can this be pinned in perpetuity?
It cannot be redeveloped.
It cannot be redeveloped.
It cannot be redeveloped.
It cannot be redeveloped.
It cannot be redeveloped.
IT CANNOT BE FCKN REDEVELOPED. |
Final answer? |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:46 - Jul 9 with 1681 views | TacticalR |
Would a hefty donation to Robert Jenrick get the project through? |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 14:05 - Jul 9 with 1635 views | stowmarketrange |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:41 - Jul 9 by Mick_S |
I've heard they are looking in to it. |
There’s 4000 of them things in Blackburn. |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 14:12 - Jul 9 with 1614 views | TheChef |
Anyway we're already in the future and you won't need football stadiums with seats because no fcker will be allowed in them for fear of everybody dying.
Green screen all the way, baby.
Love,
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 14:53 - Jul 9 with 1554 views | rrrspricey |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 13:46 - Jul 9 by TacticalR |
Would a hefty donation to Robert Jenrick get the project through? |
Oi oi, enough of that, Boris has declared the matter closed don't you know. |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 15:29 - Jul 9 with 1507 views | NW10Hoop |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:21 - Jul 9 by Juzzie |
Again, people talk about buying up the houses as though it's something that can be done just by clicking your fingers.
It's not 10 houses, they are mainly flats owned by all manner of people. Some will be lived in by the owners, some will be tenants (possibly private or council, or both).
Based on, say, 3 flats per house those 10 buildings could be up to 30 individual properties. That's 30 landlords, 30 solicitors and so on. If you talk about the stretch of Ellerslie Road that runs from the turnstiles to Loftus Road that's probably another 20 houses meaning another 60 lots of landlords, solicitors etc.
If anyone has sold & bought property they'll know how stressful and complex that is. Multiply that by nearly 100 and it's complete logistical nightmare.
You'd need a whole team of people working on it and all you need is one landlord/tenant to say 'no' (and it'll probably me more than that) and it all drags on with compulsory purchase, relocation etc and that's even if that's allowed, it may get blocked at the Courts. Game over. |
I know there’s a billion reasons why it couldn’t work at QPR, but thought it was worth sharing anyways because I had such a great time.... went to see Chicago Cubs last year and we watched the game on the Wrigley rooftops
https://www.wrigleyrooftopsllc.com/
I think the club bought all of the houses/apartments surrounding the stadium as past tenants we’re making money letting people watch the game from the roof of their block. Inside the buildings it’s now all inclusive bars with snacks like hot dogs. They have the game on tvs and you’re under the the glow of the floodlights. They have bleachers on the top Of the apartment blocks where you watch the game from. Pretty far from the action, but a better view than lots of parts inside the stadium. If QPR were to stay at Loftus road long term and thrive, they’d need to get creative! |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 16:42 - Jul 9 with 1451 views | Juzzie |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 15:29 - Jul 9 by NW10Hoop |
I know there’s a billion reasons why it couldn’t work at QPR, but thought it was worth sharing anyways because I had such a great time.... went to see Chicago Cubs last year and we watched the game on the Wrigley rooftops
https://www.wrigleyrooftopsllc.com/
I think the club bought all of the houses/apartments surrounding the stadium as past tenants we’re making money letting people watch the game from the roof of their block. Inside the buildings it’s now all inclusive bars with snacks like hot dogs. They have the game on tvs and you’re under the the glow of the floodlights. They have bleachers on the top Of the apartment blocks where you watch the game from. Pretty far from the action, but a better view than lots of parts inside the stadium. If QPR were to stay at Loftus road long term and thrive, they’d need to get creative! |
Nice idea and quite a unique experience.
At QPR, we'd have a few carlsbergs and Dominos pizza on the roof and a view of the back of the stand watching people queuing up for food of their own or the bogs (subject to water pressure).
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Ellerslie+Rd,+Shepherd's+Bush,+London/@51.50 | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 16:58 - Jul 9 with 1422 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 10:11 - Jul 9 by CamberleyR |
In answer to the OP, as the club have stated themselves, if any of the existing stands were knocked down to be rebuilt, they would have to meet modern ground regulations/building regulations which means providing more space within the stand. The current stands if rebuilt would have a combined capacity of 12000 at the most optimistic.
It cannot be redeveloped. |
Keep playing the way we are, a spacious 12,000 seater-stadium will be more than sufficient for our watching needs! |  |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 17:02 - Jul 9 with 1415 views | stowmarketrange |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 16:58 - Jul 9 by PlanetHonneywood |
Keep playing the way we are, a spacious 12,000 seater-stadium will be more than sufficient for our watching needs! |
Isn’t there one going spare about 4 miles away?It didn’t work in the 60’s,but that was so last century.It isn’t in West London though,but that doesn’t matter to any of the media,especially Sky. | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 17:37 - Jul 9 with 1363 views | QPROslo |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 15:29 - Jul 9 by NW10Hoop |
I know there’s a billion reasons why it couldn’t work at QPR, but thought it was worth sharing anyways because I had such a great time.... went to see Chicago Cubs last year and we watched the game on the Wrigley rooftops
https://www.wrigleyrooftopsllc.com/
I think the club bought all of the houses/apartments surrounding the stadium as past tenants we’re making money letting people watch the game from the roof of their block. Inside the buildings it’s now all inclusive bars with snacks like hot dogs. They have the game on tvs and you’re under the the glow of the floodlights. They have bleachers on the top Of the apartment blocks where you watch the game from. Pretty far from the action, but a better view than lots of parts inside the stadium. If QPR were to stay at Loftus road long term and thrive, they’d need to get creative! |
It can be redeveloped. With the will, money, and imagination. | | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 18:04 - Jul 9 with 1338 views | Boston |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 17:37 - Jul 9 by QPROslo |
It can be redeveloped. With the will, money, and imagination. |
Indeed it can. | |
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 18:07 - Jul 9 with 1328 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 18:04 - Jul 9 by Boston |
Indeed it can. |
Sure it’s been looked at by Michael drain as posted previously [Post edited 9 Jul 2020 18:09]
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| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 11:03 - Jul 10 with 1129 views | TGRRRSSS |
I wouldnt say it's impossible but it would for all the reasons Juzzie said be a nightmare to deal with and thats just the buying selling of property.
However post Covid if ever people wanted to sell and get out of London....
I reckon it'd still take years, no idea how Orient, Fulham etc have managed things differently but, besides the biggest error really was back in the 90's when Wright didnt buy the school end area where the school is now. |  | | |
| Redeveloping Loftus Road on 11:31 - Jul 10 with 1105 views | Juzzie |
I think with Orient the new stands reduced capacity to around 9,000 in order to keep it within the same footprint due to housing, gardens and what looks like a business unit plus artificial pitch on all four sides. That was the price to pay for new stands.
Fulham managed it due to three sides of their ground not having houses and a big enough existing footprint to rebuild the stands behind the goals. The other stand has a river that they bought some of in order to expand backwards into. The 4th, the Stevenage Road stand, can't be developed due to housing (although very few face the stand so could be a right-of-light issue) and I think it's Grade II listed too.
When the Riverside stand is finished I think that'll be it for Craven Cottage for the foresesable future.
Regarding our School End, there's no width-ways possibility so I guess all it would be would be a much bigger stand going upwards that'd be out of proportion to the rest of the ground, like at Newcastle. Yeeuch.
Unless they made it roughly the same size as the rest of the ground and it then housed up-to-date offices, changing rooms, media suites etc allowing Sout Africa Road to have more room for hospitality.
Sadly we'll never know. | | | |
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